Anyone else sick of "analytics?"
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I am not sick of analytics.......I am just sick of losing. And some think that the Browns are losing because of analytics. As Stefanski and Depo have said....it is just a tool to help.
Well....let's start having it be a tool to help winning instead of it seeming to be the tool that leads to us losing. When we have a 3/4" nut to tighten, use a 3/4" wrench.....not a 5/8ths wrench. Or, if that nut is measured in inches or fractions thereof, don't pull out a metric wrench. Make the tool work positively, not negatively.
As I mentioned earlier from that article, the Steelers GM said everyone pretty much has the same numbers now, its which of those numbers you see as most important.
DePo also has said analytics are just a measure of the probability of an event. A player can have all the right numbers and still be a monumental bust. Vernon Gholston or Jamarcus Russell anyone?
As I mentioned earlier from that article, the Steelers GM said everyone pretty much has the same numbers now, its which of those numbers you see as most important.
DePo also has said analytics are just a measure of the probability of an event. A player can have all the right numbers and still be a monumental bust. Vernon Gholston or Jamarcus Russell anyone?
That begs the question: why did it seem that for so many times the Browns took the guys that turned out to be the monumental bust, if all teams had the same numbers? Was our FO always putting importance on the wrong numbers?
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As I mentioned earlier from that article, the Steelers GM said everyone pretty much has the same numbers now, its which of those numbers you see as most important.
DePo also has said analytics are just a measure of the probability of an event. A player can have all the right numbers and still be a monumental bust. Vernon Gholston or Jamarcus Russell anyone?
That begs the question: why did it seem that for so many times the Browns took the guys that turned out to be the monumental bust, if all teams had the same numbers? Was our FO always putting importance on the wrong numbers?
That begs the question: why did it seem that for so many times the Browns took the guys that turned out to be the monumental bust, if all teams had the same numbers? Was our FO always putting importance on the wrong numbers?
Or they weren't even using the numbers. Remember Justin Gilbert? Then Haslam drafts Johnny Football for PR, regardless of the ton of red flags.
Or ignoring stuff that was obvious even to us draft amateurs, ie- Trent Richardson. I opined at the time I saw Trent get caught from behind plenty of times in college. You never saw that happen to guys like Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson.
There was something in a side comment from an article West Side Steve posted that I happen to agree with & it's sort of scary. There's too many holes in the roster to fix in one off season (if you're being objective), barring a miracle draft and FA acquisitions. If meddling Jimmy is unreasonably expecting a deep playoff run, and there's only marginal improvement, he had damn well better keep his fingers off of the nuke button this time, and give this incarnation of the Browns FO and coaching staff a chance to improve.
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They use CPU Tablets on the sidelines now.....but it use to be prints of pictures taken up in the booth and sent to the sidelines for the QB/OC to look at an 'analyze'.
Those pictures are analytics. You're looking at tendencies for certain downs / distances, or offensive alignments. It's just information gathering. In this train of thought, you're in between plays and considering a play when your 'offensive analytics coach' in the headset states, "They tend to be in 'such-n-such' defense and do 'such-n-such' at this down and distance.
It's all analytics. Preparing for the draft, getting the measurables of players, how their body weight and mass relates to their position in the nfl. It's all analytics. It's information gathering, analyzing, and using,
He with the most information, wins.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
That begs the question: why did it seem that for so many times the Browns took the guys that turned out to be the monumental bust, if all teams had the same numbers? Was our FO always putting importance on the wrong numbers?
Or they weren't even using the numbers. Remember Justin Gilbert? Then Haslam drafts Johnny Football for PR, regardless of the ton of red flags.
Or ignoring stuff that was obvious even to us draft amateurs, ie- Trent Richardson. I opined at the time I saw Trent get caught from behind plenty of times in college. You never saw that happen to guys like Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson.
There was something in a side comment from an article West Side Steve posted that I happen to agree with & it's sort of scary. There's too many holes in the roster to fix in one off season (if you're being objective), barring a miracle draft and FA acquisitions. If meddling Jimmy is unreasonably expecting a deep playoff run, and there's only marginal improvement, he had damn well better keep his fingers off of the nuke button this time, and give this incarnation of the Browns FO and coaching staff a chance to improve.
Or they weren't even using the numbers. Remember Justin Gilbert? Then Haslam drafts Johnny Football for PR, regardless of the ton of red flags.
Or ignoring stuff that was obvious even to us draft amateurs, ie- Trent Richardson. I opined at the time I saw Trent get caught from behind plenty of times in college. You never saw that happen to guys like Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson.
There was something in a side comment from an article West Side Steve posted that I happen to agree with & it's sort of scary. There's too many holes in the roster to fix in one off season (if you're being objective), barring a miracle draft and FA acquisitions. If meddling Jimmy is unreasonably expecting a deep playoff run, and there's only marginal improvement, he had damn well better keep his fingers off of the nuke button this time, and give this incarnation of the Browns FO and coaching staff a chance to improve.
Well, that brings up the issue of expectations. The fact is, this team was not eliminated until the next to the last week of the season.
What would be acceptable next year? Is it OK if we get eliminated in the last week of the season?
Or, is anything short of a playoff berth a busted year? I would think so.
What about division title? Baltimore's 14-2 record seems a high mountain to climb for the Browns to win the division.
So, a "deep playoff run" is an unreasonable expectation? What about a shallow playoff run?
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So you’re genuinely saying you wouldn’t want a coach with .630 winning percentage and two Super Bowls in a decade as your coach? I swear to God it’s like you people don’t watch the Browns on the field. Pete would have a statue if he had that same tenure in Cleveland.
Gumby and I both said pete carroll TYPE - not pete carroll. I swear to God it's like you don't read the posts you're replying to.
Of course, then you might not get angry, and we can't have that!
Gumby and I both said pete carroll TYPE - not pete carroll. I swear to God it's like you don't read the posts you're replying to.
Of course, then you might not get angry, and we can't have that!
Oh come the fuck on man. You can’t try to word smith out of saying something.
Saying you don’t want a Pete Carroll type is saying you don’t want Pete Carroll. Don’t be obtuse.
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They use CPU Tablets on the sidelines now.....but it use to be prints of pictures taken up in the booth and sent to the sidelines for the QB/OC to look at an 'analyze'.
Those pictures are analytics. You're looking at tendencies for certain downs / distances, or offensive alignments. It's just information gathering. In this train of thought, you're in between plays and considering a play when your 'offensive analytics coach' in the headset states, "They tend to be in 'such-n-such' defense and do 'such-n-such' at this down and distance.
It's all analytics. Preparing for the draft, getting the measurables of players, how their body weight and mass relates to their position in the nfl. It's all analytics. It's information gathering, analyzing, and using,
He with the most information, wins.
They use CPU Tablets on the sidelines now.....but it use to be prints of pictures taken up in the booth and sent to the sidelines for the QB/OC to look at an 'analyze'.
Those pictures are analytics. You're looking at tendencies for certain downs / distances, or offensive alignments. It's just information gathering. In this train of thought, you're in between plays and considering a play when your 'offensive analytics coach' in the headset states, "They tend to be in 'such-n-such' defense and do 'such-n-such' at this down and distance.
It's all analytics. Preparing for the draft, getting the measurables of players, how their body weight and mass relates to their position in the nfl. It's all analytics. It's information gathering, analyzing, and using,
He with the most information, wins.
Well.....you must be Littlefinger. "Information is power"?
I will take the position of Cersei Lannister: "Power is power", while she at her whim decides if she should have her guards cut Littlefinger's throat.
Analytics and all that information is fine......but I will take Talent. He with the most Talent wins. Altius, citius, fortius. Higher, faster, stronger wins.
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Or they weren't even using the numbers. Remember Justin Gilbert? Then Haslam drafts Johnny Football for PR, regardless of the ton of red flags.
Or ignoring stuff that was obvious even to us draft amateurs, ie- Trent Richardson. I opined at the time I saw Trent get caught from behind plenty of times in college. You never saw that happen to guys like Barry Sanders or Adrian Peterson.
There was something in a side comment from an article West Side Steve posted that I happen to agree with & it's sort of scary. There's too many holes in the roster to fix in one off season (if you're being objective), barring a miracle draft and FA acquisitions. If meddling Jimmy is unreasonably expecting a deep playoff run, and there's only marginal improvement, he had damn well better keep his fingers off of the nuke button this time, and give this incarnation of the Browns FO and coaching staff a chance to improve.
Well, that brings up the issue of expectations. The fact is, this team was not eliminated until the next to the last week of the season.
What would be acceptable next year? Is it OK if we get eliminated in the last week of the season?
Or, is anything short of a playoff berth a busted year? I would think so.
What about division title? Baltimore's 14-2 record seems a high mountain to climb for the Browns to win the division.
So, a "deep playoff run" is an unreasonable expectation? What about a shallow playoff run?
Well, that brings up the issue of expectations. The fact is, this team was not eliminated until the next to the last week of the season.
What would be acceptable next year? Is it OK if we get eliminated in the last week of the season?
Or, is anything short of a playoff berth a busted year? I would think so.
What about division title? Baltimore's 14-2 record seems a high mountain to climb for the Browns to win the division.
So, a "deep playoff run" is an unreasonable expectation? What about a shallow playoff run?
Well, I have no expectations for this year, and it's anyone's guess what Jimmy's are.
After everything except the Super Bowl has played out- that "soft" 2020 schedule doesn't look quite as soft, with the Texans, Titans, and Eagles on it.
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They use CPU Tablets on the sidelines now.....but it use to be prints of pictures taken up in the booth and sent to the sidelines for the QB/OC to look at an 'analyze'.
Those pictures are analytics. You're looking at tendencies for certain downs / distances, or offensive alignments. It's just information gathering. In this train of thought, you're in between plays and considering a play when your 'offensive analytics coach' in the headset states, "They tend to be in 'such-n-such' defense and do 'such-n-such' at this down and distance.
It's all analytics. Preparing for the draft, getting the measurables of players, how their body weight and mass relates to their position in the nfl. It's all analytics. It's information gathering, analyzing, and using,
He with the most information, wins.
Well.....you must be Littlefinger. "Information is power"?
I will take the position of Cersei Lannister: "Power is power", while she at her whim decides if she should have her guards cut Littlefinger's throat.
Analytics and all that information is fine......but I will take Talent. He with the most Talent wins. Altius, citius, fortius. Higher, faster, stronger wins.
i will take the position of Cersei Lannister: "Power is power",
In our case, 'The Family'
The more information you can gather, sort and apply = the more informed the decision. (predicated by tine restraints)
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
i will take the position of Cersei Lannister: "Power is power",
In our case, 'The Family'
The more information you can gather, sort and apply = the more informed the decision. (predicated by tine restraints)
In our case, 'The Family'
The more information you can gather, sort and apply = the more informed the decision. (predicated by tine restraints)
Or you're just looking at "measurables" and not taking anything else into account. We would never have drafted Justin Gilbert if we had just looked beyond the measurables. Ditto Johnny Football.
For sure teams do a lot of personality tests and background checks now- getting burned badly on those accounts has taught teams a severe lesson. and it's burned the Browns plenty of times not putting enough weight into off field antics. Starting with Jeremiah (robbing the pharmacy) Pharms, Puffy Gordon, Johnny AA Manziel, Antonio XFL Callaway, and probably a few others I don't remember off the top of my head.
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i will take the position of Cersei Lannister: "Power is power",
In our case, 'The Family'
The more information you can gather, sort and apply = the more informed the decision. (predicated by tine restraints)
In our case, 'The Family'
The more information you can gather, sort and apply = the more informed the decision. (predicated by tine restraints)
Or you're just looking at "measurables" and not taking anything else into account. We would never have drafted Justin Gilbert if we had just looked beyond the measurables. Ditto Johnny Football.
For sure teams do a lot of personality tests and background checks now- getting burned badly on those accounts has taught teams a severe lesson. and it's burned the Browns plenty of times not putting enough weight into off field antics. Starting with Jeremiah (robbing the pharmacy) Pharms, Puffy Gordon, Johnny AA Manziel, Antonio XFL Callaway, and probably a few others I don't remember off the top of my head.
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"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
i will take the position of Cersei Lannister: "Power is power",
In our case, 'The Family'
The more information you can gather, sort and apply = the more informed the decision. (predicated by tine restraints)
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RUN AWAY!!!!
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Gumby and I both said pete carroll TYPE - not pete carroll. I swear to God it's like you don't read the posts you're replying to.
Of course, then you might not get angry, and we can't have that!
Oh come the fuck on man. You can’t try to word smith out of saying something.
Saying you don’t want a Pete Carroll type is saying you don’t want Pete Carroll. Don’t be obtuse.
Oh come the fuck on man. You can’t try to word smith out of saying something.
Saying you don’t want a Pete Carroll type is saying you don’t want Pete Carroll. Don’t be obtuse.
Get over yourself, asshole. Is that too erudite for you?
Keep trolling analytics threads because you're personally too stupid to understand any of it - or just fuck off and never post again.
We're not getting pete carroll because he's retiring before he's interested in taking another job.. The only one that might be out there would be a "pete carroll type." And as previously stated, I don't want a pete carroll type. Luckily for us, Stefanski isn't a pete carroll type.. Stefanski actually understands the need to fit his playcalling to the strengths of his team.
I'd define a "pete carroll type" as someone who had success in one system and attempts to ram every future group into that mold. You know, Josh McDaniels.
Your fixation on Pete Carroll out of all the past or present NFL coaches is fun, though.. I'll take someone named Paul Brown.
I can't wait to see how you'll change the subject when you reply! Don't be obtuse!
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Oh come the fuck on man. You can’t try to word smith out of saying something.
Saying you don’t want a Pete Carroll type is saying you don’t want Pete Carroll. Don’t be obtuse.
Get over yourself, asshole. Is that too erudite for you?
Keep trolling analytics threads because you're personally too stupid to understand any of it - or just fuck off and never post again.
We're not getting pete carroll because he's retiring before he's interested in taking another job.. The only one that might be out there would be a "pete carroll type." And as previously stated, I don't want a pete carroll type. Luckily for us, Stefanski isn't a pete carroll type.. Stefanski actually understands the need to fit his playcalling to the strengths of his team.
I'd define a "pete carroll type" as someone who had success in one system and attempts to ram every future group into that mold. You know, Josh McDaniels.
Your fixation on Pete Carroll out of all the past or present NFL coaches is fun, though.. I'll take someone named Paul Brown.
I can't wait to see how you'll change the subject when you reply! Don't be obtuse!
Get over yourself, asshole. Is that too erudite for you?
Keep trolling analytics threads because you're personally too stupid to understand any of it - or just fuck off and never post again.
We're not getting pete carroll because he's retiring before he's interested in taking another job.. The only one that might be out there would be a "pete carroll type." And as previously stated, I don't want a pete carroll type. Luckily for us, Stefanski isn't a pete carroll type.. Stefanski actually understands the need to fit his playcalling to the strengths of his team.
I'd define a "pete carroll type" as someone who had success in one system and attempts to ram every future group into that mold. You know, Josh McDaniels.
Your fixation on Pete Carroll out of all the past or present NFL coaches is fun, though.. I'll take someone named Paul Brown.
I can't wait to see how you'll change the subject when you reply! Don't be obtuse!
Well, I don't know that either Pete Carroll nor Josh McDaniels are the type of coaches you suggest. Carroll seemed to adapt pretty well to his talent when he named Russell Wilson QB over Matt Flynn way back when. And McDaniels has had Tom Brady all these years. Seems like he has done a decent job of adapting an offense to his skills. (how many SB rings does he have as OC there?). Even his year and a half in Denver? He had Kyle Orton starting mostly, and Tebow for like 3 games, and went 8-8. That is good for a first year coach with those QBs. Then the next year the same combo that didn't work. I mean, come on. Do you think anything he tried would have made Tebow a winning NFL QB? I think he did what he could with what he had.
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In our case, 'The Family'
The more information you can gather, sort and apply = the more informed the decision. (predicated by tine restraints)
Or you're just looking at "measurables" and not taking anything else into account. We would never have drafted Justin Gilbert if we had just looked beyond the measurables. Ditto Johnny Football.
For sure teams do a lot of personality tests and background checks now- getting burned badly on those accounts has taught teams a severe lesson. and it's burned the Browns plenty of times not putting enough weight into off field antics. Starting with Jeremiah (robbing the pharmacy) Pharms, Puffy Gordon, Johnny AA Manziel, Antonio XFL Callaway, and probably a few others I don't remember off the top of my head.
Or you're just looking at "measurables" and not taking anything else into account. We would never have drafted Justin Gilbert if we had just looked beyond the measurables. Ditto Johnny Football.
For sure teams do a lot of personality tests and background checks now- getting burned badly on those accounts has taught teams a severe lesson. and it's burned the Browns plenty of times not putting enough weight into off field antics. Starting with Jeremiah (robbing the pharmacy) Pharms, Puffy Gordon, Johnny AA Manziel, Antonio XFL Callaway, and probably a few others I don't remember off the top of my head.
"Hands" Coleman? Corvette Corbett? And I hate to say it but Taco Tiki Taki has not really shown much thus far.
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i got no issue using some of the data collected on game down situations. Even the scoreboard & game clock math..the facts are what they are, while your opponents are well aware of them also.. where i get concerned is, is when SPARQ scores become a factor between gametape/ team fits/needs or BPA/ and missing the clues in the interview process.. Am still looking for a Pete Carol type coach to put all these 53 piece puzzle together with a workable GM... maybe it is our time ?
.. Am still looking for a Pete Carol type coach to put all these 53 piece puzzle together with a workable GM... maybe it is our time ?
Notice what happened in drafting in Seattle once Carroll arrived in 2010.. https://pro-football-reference.com/teams/sea/draft.htm Sure ya can't keep them all, but not only can Carroll motivate & coach, he maybe the best college talent jumping to nfl level junkie known to the game..I've also read, Carroll does all the drafting interview process at the combine & private visit interviews.And Pete's the guy asking the prospect on bad game tape, not position coaches..
12 of 22 starters came in 3 drafts before going to SB..In 2018 GM Schneider & Carroll decided to pull names from board instead of continuous adding..simplify it
maybe the 'find a way guy' Depo needs to start checking into the Pete's process of coaching up personal..
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