why I hope it's not Stefansky....
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So now we seeing the case that some are downplaying these former Browns players as not that big a deal, not difference makers, etc. Because of the position they play or because they aren't one of the best players in the league?
Sure sounds like the "dime a dozen..." rhetoric of a former poster.
So now we seeing the case that some are downplaying these former Browns players as not that big a deal, not difference makers, etc. Because of the position they play or because they aren't one of the best players in the league?
Sure sounds like the "dime a dozen..." rhetoric of a former poster.
But not enough 6th grade swear words.
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The only reason you're saying that is because you're still on the tangent about KC's Oline being "great". They aren't, not even collectively. They might skim the top half of the NFL in pass pro, but their run blocking is atrocious and eventually it's going to cost KC in the red zone. Another reason the Chiefs use that lateral run game with Hill so much - to supplement their shitty movement up front.
Mahomes is just that brillaint. But even with that brilliance, he has still missed time this season because of the shots his Oline has allowed. They are a spotty group lifted by their QB and opposing coordinators fear of their skill positions.
The only reason you're saying that is because you're still on the tangent about KC's Oline being "great". They aren't, not even collectively. They might skim the top half of the NFL in pass pro, but their run blocking is atrocious and eventually it's going to cost KC in the red zone. Another reason the Chiefs use that lateral run game with Hill so much - to supplement their shitty movement up front.
Mahomes is just that brillaint. But even with that brilliance, he has still missed time this season because of the shots his Oline has allowed. They are a spotty group lifted by their QB and opposing coordinators fear of their skill positions.
I'll grant you the run blocking problems, but their pass protection has been excellent. They ran 35 pass plays, and handed the ball off on a run play 21 times. Mahomes IS brilliant - so was Baker in his rookie season. Having a star like Kelce helps him hugely. Probably the best? TE in the entire league. Having Watkins, a former 4th overall pick in the first round (Bills) also helps hugely. Having speed demon Hill, one of the fastest wr's in the entire league, also helps. (fifth round ? egad) (Williams, RB, was a UDFA).
They can run wide because of their tackles. Fisher 1st pick, Schwarts, 2nd round pick. I'm simply saying that they dominated in the AFC game, because they passed a good bit more often, ran just enough to keep the defense honest, and Watkins, Hill and Kelce make a far, far easier time for Mahomes to rock and roll. Even when his wr's are covered and Kelce isn't open, he had a lot of time, especially with Mahomes moving in the pocket, that he could take off if the play doesn't work. And he runs like a hotrod gazelle.
The interior of the line is not great - at least one was a UDFA.........etc. But they dominated in that AFC game. They just clicked on pass protection.
But only because he didn't get his clock cleaned as soon as he dropped back off the edges.
KC would have lost that game if they had had the Browns oline, regardless of how brilliant Mahomes is. lol
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I was not saying that. I was saying that they are "supporting actors"....that is was not THEIR play specifically that provides the difference between being a championship team. You absolutely need some stud OL. We know what its like to have crap for OL. But you could have a great OL in front of DeShone Kizer, and I don't think it would have helped him a lot. Put that OL in front of Mahomes...and there you go, off to the races.
And you could have a great QB and a "crap OL" and not win. Its almost as if you need a well rounded TEAM.
And I wasn't singling out anyone, but people who just watch football don't seem to recognize how crucial OL are. Because they aren't the "difference makers" or the sexy part of the game.
But to the part of the Browns (or any team) getting rid of someone and they go on to be an important piece somewhere else, that doesn't mean they would have been that on their former team for a number of reasons, and not all are because of something to do with that former team.
And you could have a great QB and a "crap OL" and not win. Its almost as if you need a well rounded TEAM.
And I wasn't singling out anyone, but people who just watch football don't seem to recognize how crucial OL are. Because they aren't the "difference makers" or the sexy part of the game.
But to the part of the Browns (or any team) getting rid of someone and they go on to be an important piece somewhere else, that doesn't mean they would have been that on their former team for a number of reasons, and not all are because of something to do with that former team.
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
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And you could have a great QB and a "crap OL" and not win. Its almost as if you need a well rounded TEAM.
And I wasn't singling out anyone, but people who just watch football don't seem to recognize how crucial OL are. Because they aren't the "difference makers" or the sexy part of the game.
But to the part of the Browns (or any team) getting rid of someone and they go on to be an important piece somewhere else, that doesn't mean they would have been that on their former team for a number of reasons, and not all are because of something to do with that former team.
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
That is easy to find out with minimal research. No he wasn't drafted by the Browns. He wasn't drafted by anyone. He has been on 7 teams in those 4 years, 4 in 2015.
But I have NO CLUE why you quoted me in that? I never said one word about him.
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I'm reminded of Indy's OL the years they had Luck -- Doubtful if Indy could have won the whole thing because their GM was arguably worse than ours [ Hi, Trent Richardson! ] but KC's ridiculousness dressed up as an OL is going to end Mahomes career a few seasons earlier than it should.
KC does have more than a few bargain-bin starters -- including their UDFA RB williams.
To be fair they are paying their OL -- 3 of top 9 are OL
Side note - aren't we all glad we avoided drafting the Honey Badger? Good times, great decisions. #Sarcasm
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
That is easy to find out with minimal research. No he wasn't drafted by the Browns. He wasn't drafted by anyone. He has been on 7 teams in those 4 years, 4 in 2015.
But I have NO CLUE why you quoted me in that? I never said one word about him.
That is easy to find out with minimal research. No he wasn't drafted by the Browns. He wasn't drafted by anyone. He has been on 7 teams in those 4 years, 4 in 2015.
But I have NO CLUE why you quoted me in that? I never said one word about him.
I think it had to do with your statement about a player being on a former team, and Mostert did begin his career with the Browns.
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That is easy to find out with minimal research. No he wasn't drafted by the Browns. He wasn't drafted by anyone. He has been on 7 teams in those 4 years, 4 in 2015.
But I have NO CLUE why you quoted me in that? I never said one word about him.
I think it had to do with your statement about a player being on a former team, and Mostert did begin his career with the Browns.
I think it had to do with your statement about a player being on a former team, and Mostert did begin his career with the Browns.
My post wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. But you/others were saying that these guys that are/were still playing aren't difference makers, etc. And were referring to OL. I responded only because the way it came off was because they aren't these high profile positions. And the fact that maybe even would be closer to your "side" is that just because the Browns got rid of them and they had success elsewhere that it was an indictment on Browns. And that is certainly not always the case. With your Mostert example, it's not an indictment on the other 5 teams who previously had him.
As for Schwartz, the Browns didn't "get rid of" him. He left in FA. I think the biggest indictment on the Browns is not trying to keep Shanahan.
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I'm reminded of Indy's OL the years they had Luck -- Doubtful if Indy could have won the whole thing because their GM was arguably worse than ours [ Hi, Trent Richardson! ] but KC's ridiculousness dressed up as an OL is going to end Mahomes career a few seasons earlier than it should.
KC does have more than a few bargain-bin starters -- including their UDFA RB williams.
To be fair they are paying their OL -- 3 of top 9 are OL
Side note - aren't we all glad we avoided drafting the Honey Badger? Good times, great decisions. #Sarcasm
To be fair they are paying their OL -- 3 of top 9 are OL
And at least in the case of Fischer overpaying...
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Why HC Stephanski is the real deal:
Things like this. He's unflappable. Has a great sense of humor. and he is ready to roll.
and his staff is looking stellar so far.
Knows how to handle any situation, I bet.
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And you could have a great QB and a "crap OL" and not win. Its almost as if you need a well rounded TEAM.
And I wasn't singling out anyone, but people who just watch football don't seem to recognize how crucial OL are. Because they aren't the "difference makers" or the sexy part of the game.
But to the part of the Browns (or any team) getting rid of someone and they go on to be an important piece somewhere else, that doesn't mean they would have been that on their former team for a number of reasons, and not all are because of something to do with that former team.
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
Yeah, Mostert did get his start with the Browns. And he also did nothing with three other teams (including the Ravens) before the 49ers picked him up. Is this year a fluke? Certainly can't blame the Browns on this one.
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Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
Yeah, Mostert did get his start with the Browns. And he also did nothing with three other teams (including the Ravens) before the 49ers picked him up. Is this year a fluke? Certainly can't blame the Browns on this one.
Yeah, Mostert did get his start with the Browns. And he also did nothing with three other teams (including the Ravens) before the 49ers picked him up. Is this year a fluke? Certainly can't blame the Browns on this one.
Yea, its like saying: well 31 teams (no Texans at that time) passed 5-6 times each on Tom Brady, including the Patriots.
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Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
Yeah, Mostert did get his start with the Browns. And he also did nothing with three other teams (including the Ravens) before the 49ers picked him up. Is this year a fluke? Certainly can't blame the Browns on this one.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Well, as someone pointed out, this Mostert guy that gained over 200 yards for the Niners on Sunday was once on the Browns, but play sparsely on STs. Was he even drafted by the Browns? This was his 4th year in the league, and until this year he had all of 34 carries. His best performance prior was to return 12 kicks for the Browns in 2015.
Yeah, Mostert did get his start with the Browns. And he also did nothing with three other teams (including the Ravens) before the 49ers picked him up. Is this year a fluke? Certainly can't blame the Browns on this one.
Yeah, Mostert did get his start with the Browns. And he also did nothing with three other teams (including the Ravens) before the 49ers picked him up. Is this year a fluke? Certainly can't blame the Browns on this one.
Well. other than Shanny was his OC in Cleveland..and maybe the person sounded like a Shanny fit in San Fran..
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Not even Sashi???
Bummer...
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Sashi isn't blamable for ANYTHING, silly goose!
Teflon Sashi.
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Finally... a Dutch Sashi post I can like...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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lol.... I do not remember that episode...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
lol.... I do not remember that episode...
I think it's an OLD episode... I think the one where Big Gay Al is removed as a Boy Scout leader?
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I think it's an OLD episode... I think the one where Big Gay Al is removed as a Boy Scout leader?
Isn't that most of them? Or a cameo by Jesus?
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I think it's an OLD episode... I think the one where Big Gay Al is removed as a Boy Scout leader?
Isn't that most of them? Or a cameo by Jesus?
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