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    Hannity has been saying on the radio - Bolton said that Pres Trump said to him, that he WANTED to hold up the Ukraine aid...til they started investigating the bidens.

       But that never once got back to the Ukraine, not ever. So, NO quid pro quo.

    That's similar as me saying I think I want to rob a bank to pay off my pickup truck. Except, of course, I would never actually do that.

    and then some liberal nutjob says "see? Cal robbed a bank " !

    because he is a socialist dishonest anti-American lowlife coniving leftwing commie sombeitch, there's no truth of any crime there.

    the left is now "feeling" that they can live the book "1984" because they have all the power in the house.

    Time to put all this garbage to the dumpster, end it once and for all. It has been, they even admitted, a ploy to ruin Pres Trump's chances of being re-elected, in terms of covering up all the great things he has done.

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      I would say let them all testify but then this clown show would go on for months and months. I would love to see the so called whistleblower testify, Joe and Hunter Biden, Schiff and a host of others but what is the purpose? No impeachable crime was committed. Just end it.

      This is John Dean all over again. You make the points the Nixon defenders tried to make. The tapes proved Dean right. At the heart of all this now is an impeachable crime of using a foreign government to go after a political opponent. That is against current law whether you want it to be or not.

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      This is John Dean all over again. You make the points the Nixon defenders tried to make. The tapes proved Dean right. At the heart of all this now is an impeachable crime of using a foreign government to go after a political opponent. That is against current law whether you want it to be or not.

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      I NEVER told John Bolton that the aid to Ukraine was tied to investigations into Democrats, including the Bidens. In fact, he never complained about this at the time of his very public termination. If John Bolton said this, it was only to sell a book. With that being said, the transcripts of my calls with President Zelensky are all the proof that is needed, in addition to the fact that President Zelensky & the Foreign Minister of Ukraine said there was no pressure and no problems. Additionally, I met with President Zelensky at the United Nations (Democrats said I never met) and released the military aid to Ukraine without any conditions or investigations - and far ahead of schedule. I also allowed Ukraine to purchase Javelin anti-tank missiles. My Administration has done far more than the previous Administration.

      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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        @texasag1969 said:

        This is John Dean all over again. You make the points the Nixon defenders tried to make. The tapes proved Dean right. At the heart of all this now is an impeachable crime of using a foreign government to go after a political opponent. That is against current law whether you want it to be or not.

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        I NEVER told John Bolton that the aid to Ukraine was tied to investigations into Democrats, including the Bidens. In fact, he never complained about this at the time of his very public termination. If John Bolton said this, it was only to sell a book. With that being said, the transcripts of my calls with President Zelensky are all the proof that is needed, in addition to the fact that President Zelensky & the Foreign Minister of Ukraine said there was no pressure and no problems. Additionally, I met with President Zelensky at the United Nations (Democrats said I never met) and released the military aid to Ukraine without any conditions or investigations - and far ahead of schedule. I also allowed Ukraine to purchase Javelin anti-tank missiles. My Administration has done far more than the previous Administration.

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        @diehardbrownsfan said:

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        Donald J. Trump
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        I NEVER told John Bolton that the aid to Ukraine was tied to investigations into Democrats, including the Bidens. In fact, he never complained about this at the time of his very public termination. If John Bolton said this, it was only to sell a book. With that being said, the transcripts of my calls with President Zelensky are all the proof that is needed, in addition to the fact that President Zelensky & the Foreign Minister of Ukraine said there was no pressure and no problems. Additionally, I met with President Zelensky at the United Nations (Democrats said I never met) and released the military aid to Ukraine without any conditions or investigations - and far ahead of schedule. I also allowed Ukraine to purchase Javelin anti-tank missiles. My Administration has done far more than the previous Administration.

        King Liar has no credibility. Zero. Nada. Nunca.

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          @diehardbrownsfan said:

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          Donald J. Trump
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          I NEVER told John Bolton that the aid to Ukraine was tied to investigations into Democrats, including the Bidens. In fact, he never complained about this at the time of his very public termination. If John Bolton said this, it was only to sell a book. With that being said, the transcripts of my calls with President Zelensky are all the proof that is needed, in addition to the fact that President Zelensky & the Foreign Minister of Ukraine said there was no pressure and no problems. Additionally, I met with President Zelensky at the United Nations (Democrats said I never met) and released the military aid to Ukraine without any conditions or investigations - and far ahead of schedule. I also allowed Ukraine to purchase Javelin anti-tank missiles. My Administration has done far more than the previous Administration.

          King Liar has no credibility. Zero. Nada. Nunca.

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          @texasag1969 said:

          King Liar has no credibility. Zero. Nada. Nunca.

          Agree John Bolton has "no credibility. Zero. Nada. Nunca."   just trying to sell his book.  John Bolton loves WAR.

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            Hannity has been saying on the radio - Bolton said that Pres Trump said to him, that he WANTED to hold up the Ukraine aid...til they started investigating the bidens.

               But that never once got back to the Ukraine, not ever. So, NO quid pro quo.

            That's similar as me saying I think I want to rob a bank to pay off my pickup truck. Except, of course, I would never actually do that.

            and then some liberal nutjob says "see? Cal robbed a bank " !

            because he is a socialist dishonest anti-American lowlife coniving leftwing commie sombeitch, there's no truth of any crime there.

            the left is now "feeling" that they can live the book "1984" because they have all the power in the house.

            Time to put all this garbage to the dumpster, end it once and for all. It has been, they even admitted, a ploy to ruin Pres Trump's chances of being re-elected, in terms of covering up all the great things he has done.

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            @calfoxwc said:

            Hannity has been saying on the radio - Bolton said that Pres Trump said to him, that he WANTED to hold up the Ukraine aid...til they started investigating the bidens.

               But that never once got back to the Ukraine, not ever. So, NO quid pro quo.

            That's similar as me saying I think I want to rob a bank to pay off my pickup truck. Except, of course, I would never actually do that.

            and then some liberal nutjob says "see? Cal robbed a bank " !

            because he is a socialist dishonest anti-American lowlife coniving leftwing commie sombeitch, there's no truth of any crime there.

            the left is now "feeling" that they can live the book "1984" because they have all the power in the house.

            Time to put all this garbage to the dumpster, end it once and for all. It has been, they even admitted, a ploy to ruin Pres Trump's chances of being re-elected, in terms of covering up all the great things he has done.

            "Furthermore, there are glaring issues with The New York Times story on the leaked manuscript," the RNC's Steve Guest wrote. "Not only does it omit direct quotes from Bolton’s manuscript, it doesn’t cite any named sources."

            https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-bolton-leak-publisher-denies-coordination

            https://twitter.com/RepRatcliffe/status/1221864318175776773

            Good interview give a listen.

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              "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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                National Review: Bolton Blows Up Trump Team’s Foolhardy Quid Pro Quo Defense

                "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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                  National Review: Bolton Blows Up Trump Team’s Foolhardy Quid Pro Quo Defense

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                  National Review: Bolton Blows Up Trump Team’s Foolhardy Quid Pro Quo Defense

                  Well the "Bolton Blows" part of that is accurate!  585GhT8NShUHp.jpg.gif.ebc2b378dcd8629d096014603c38be63.gif

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                    Fleitz said presidents of both parties should be able to confide in their national security advisors and that the best confidants are the ones who give the officeholder peace of mind that their ideas and musings will not appear in the press or in books.

                    https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-bolton-friend-fred-fleitz-national-security-trump-book

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                      the phony ? ! allegation that Pres Trump said to Bolton, that he wanted to withhold that aid until

                      they announce the Biden investigations.

                      whatever.

                      I've said before - If I said I wanted to rob a bank and pay off our pickup truck...

                      that isn't a crime. Neither is being a lying jerkface.

                      Bolton has shot down any chance of being in government service again. But CNN/MSNBC will keep paying him

                      big bucks as another dishonest innuendo/false rumor and propaganda hack.

                      AGAIN - no "there" there. Nothingburger. Because Pres Trump never withheld the aid. I believe Bolton was one of the leakers earlier on, and that is why Bolton had to go.

                      What a disreputable "witness".

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                        the phony ? ! allegation that Pres Trump said to Bolton, that he wanted to withhold that aid until

                        they announce the Biden investigations.

                        whatever.

                        I've said before - If I said I wanted to rob a bank and pay off our pickup truck...

                        that isn't a crime. Neither is being a lying jerkface.

                        Bolton has shot down any chance of being in government service again. But CNN/MSNBC will keep paying him

                        big bucks as another dishonest innuendo/false rumor and propaganda hack.

                        AGAIN - no "there" there. Nothingburger. Because Pres Trump never withheld the aid. I believe Bolton was one of the leakers earlier on, and that is why Bolton had to go.

                        What a disreputable "witness".

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                        jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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                        @calfoxwc said:

                        the phony ? ! allegation that Pres Trump said to Bolton, that he wanted to withhold that aid until

                        they announce the Biden investigations.

                        whatever.

                        I've said before - If I said I wanted to rob a bank and pay off our pickup truck...

                        that isn't a crime. Neither is being a lying jerkface.

                        Bolton has shot down any chance of being in government service again. But CNN/MSNBC will keep paying him

                        big bucks as another dishonest innuendo/false rumor and propaganda hack.

                        AGAIN - no "there" there. Nothingburger. Because Pres Trump never withheld the aid. I believe Bolton was one of the leakers earlier on, and that is why Bolton had to go.

                        What a disreputable "witness".

                        Ever more the reason to put him on the stand for testimony. Once he is under oath, he cannot lie, under threat of perjury.

                        For the record, I am also open for the Bidens and any other witnesses being called as well.

                        "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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                          @calfoxwc said:

                          the phony ? ! allegation that Pres Trump said to Bolton, that he wanted to withhold that aid until

                          they announce the Biden investigations.

                          whatever.

                          I've said before - If I said I wanted to rob a bank and pay off our pickup truck...

                          that isn't a crime. Neither is being a lying jerkface.

                          Bolton has shot down any chance of being in government service again. But CNN/MSNBC will keep paying him

                          big bucks as another dishonest innuendo/false rumor and propaganda hack.

                          AGAIN - no "there" there. Nothingburger. Because Pres Trump never withheld the aid. I believe Bolton was one of the leakers earlier on, and that is why Bolton had to go.

                          What a disreputable "witness".

                          Ever more the reason to put him on the stand for testimony. Once he is under oath, he cannot lie, under threat of perjury.

                          For the record, I am also open for the Bidens and any other witnesses being called as well.

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                          OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                          @jbluhm86 said:

                          Ever more the reason to put him on the stand for testimony. Once he is under oath, he cannot lie, under threat of perjury.

                          For the record, I am also open for the Bidens and any other witnesses being called as well.

                          What is the worst case scenario for Trump if Bolton testifies Trump told him he wanted the aid to Ukraine held unless Ukraine investigated the Bidens? Trump would be guilty of a thought crime because the facts are the aid was eventually given to Ukraine with no promise to investigate the Bidens. The president of Ukraine also said he felt no pressure to do anything to get the aid. Anyway you slice this it should have never resulted in an impeachment. At most here all you have is a "thought crime". Do we really want to impeach presidents over "thought crimes?"

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                            @calfoxwc said:

                            the phony ? ! allegation that Pres Trump said to Bolton, that he wanted to withhold that aid until

                            they announce the Biden investigations.

                            whatever.

                            I've said before - If I said I wanted to rob a bank and pay off our pickup truck...

                            that isn't a crime. Neither is being a lying jerkface.

                            Bolton has shot down any chance of being in government service again. But CNN/MSNBC will keep paying him

                            big bucks as another dishonest innuendo/false rumor and propaganda hack.

                            AGAIN - no "there" there. Nothingburger. Because Pres Trump never withheld the aid. I believe Bolton was one of the leakers earlier on, and that is why Bolton had to go.

                            What a disreputable "witness".

                            Ever more the reason to put him on the stand for testimony. Once he is under oath, he cannot lie, under threat of perjury.

                            For the record, I am also open for the Bidens and any other witnesses being called as well.

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                            @jbluhm86 said:

                            Ever more the reason to put him on the stand for testimony. Once he is under oath, he cannot lie, under threat of perjury.

                            For the record, I am also open for the Bidens and any other witnesses being called as well.

                            but the point is, and has always been - to drag on the farce to effect a defeat of a current president that is KEEPING HIS PROMISES to us that elected him, has the economy roaring, has redone/going to redo bad trade deals, put two HONEST Supreme Court Justices - helped and supported our VETERANS HUGELY, supported the LIVES of UNBORN and BORN CHILDREN, defended our gun rights, our first amendment,....etc.

                            the left can't run on issues. they have no good ideas to fix any damn thing. So they invented the farce, drug it out til the voters went south on it in the polls, and now they want the Senate to drag it out for no legitimate reason. This manuscript of Bolton's has been out there for how long? a year? and just at the perfect point of controversy, it's "leaked" out there?

                            enough of this crap. Bolton is just another turd. He wants to make money selling his book and be a popular contributor ($$$$) on CNN, and MSNBC...

                            and, try to screw over the President that terminated him. Apparently, he's been a deep stater all along, from the Reagan days.

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                                @calfoxwc said:

                                the phony ? ! allegation that Pres Trump said to Bolton, that he wanted to withhold that aid until

                                they announce the Biden investigations.

                                whatever.

                                I've said before - If I said I wanted to rob a bank and pay off our pickup truck...

                                that isn't a crime. Neither is being a lying jerkface.

                                Bolton has shot down any chance of being in government service again. But CNN/MSNBC will keep paying him

                                big bucks as another dishonest innuendo/false rumor and propaganda hack.

                                AGAIN - no "there" there. Nothingburger. Because Pres Trump never withheld the aid. I believe Bolton was one of the leakers earlier on, and that is why Bolton had to go.

                                What a disreputable "witness".

                                Ever more the reason to put him on the stand for testimony. Once he is under oath, he cannot lie, under threat of perjury.

                                For the record, I am also open for the Bidens and any other witnesses being called as well.

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                                @jbluhm86 said:

                                Ever more the reason to put him on the stand for testimony. Once he is under oath, he cannot lie, under threat of perjury.

                                For the record, I am also open for the Bidens and any other witnesses being called as well.

                                Yes Nancy and crew should have done this and not rushed through the one sided process.🙄

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                                  @calfoxwc said:

                                  the phony ? ! allegation that Pres Trump said to Bolton, that he wanted to withhold that aid until

                                  they announce the Biden investigations.

                                  whatever.

                                  I've said before - If I said I wanted to rob a bank and pay off our pickup truck...

                                  that isn't a crime. Neither is being a lying jerkface.

                                  Bolton has shot down any chance of being in government service again. But CNN/MSNBC will keep paying him

                                  big bucks as another dishonest innuendo/false rumor and propaganda hack.

                                  AGAIN - no "there" there. Nothingburger. Because Pres Trump never withheld the aid. I believe Bolton was one of the leakers earlier on, and that is why Bolton had to go.

                                  What a disreputable "witness".

                                  Ever more the reason to put him on the stand for testimony. Once he is under oath, he cannot lie, under threat of perjury.

                                  For the record, I am also open for the Bidens and any other witnesses being called as well.

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                                  @jbluhm86 said:

                                  Ever more the reason to put him on the stand for testimony. Once he is under oath, he cannot lie, under threat of perjury.

                                  For the record, I am also open for the Bidens and any other witnesses being called as well.

                                  actually, the left witnesses do lie in front of Congress. They believe they are too powerful to go to jail.

                                  CIA director John Brennan lied to you and to the Senate ...

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied...

                                  Jul 31, 2014 · CIA director John Brennan lied to you and to the Senate.

                                  Author: Trevor Timm

                                  Former CIA director Brennan lied to Congress about Steele ...

                                  https://www.rt.com/usa/475443-brennan-lied-to-congress

                                  Once it emerged that the Steele Dossier – which among other things, accused Trump of hiring prostitutes to urinate on a bed in a Moscow hotel room – was unverifiable and most likely false, Brennan was grilled by Congress.

                                  Brennan Lied About Not Including Steele Dossier In IC ...

                                  https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/09/brennan-lied-about-not-including-steele-dossier...

                                  The new report from Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz confirmed former CIA Director John Brennan lied to Congress about whether the dossier authored by Christopher Steele …

                                  Former CIA director John Brennan caught lying to Congress ...

                                  https://www.independentsentinel.com/former-cia-director-john-brennan-caught-lying-to...

                                  Dec 10, 2019 · The IG report confirmed that Brennan lied to Congress. He said the Hillary-Steele dossier was not relied upon for the Obama administration’s Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA). That wasn’t the case.

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                                    'Growing body of evidence' James Comey lied to Congress

                                    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/growing-evidence-that-james-comey-lied-to...

                                    Mark Meadows said Thursday there's a growing body of evidence to suggest that former FBI Director James Comey lied when he told Congress that the FBI and the Justice Department were not...

                                    IG Report: Comey Lied To Congress About FBI Probe Of Trump ...

                                    https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/10/ig-report-shows-comey-lied-to-congress-about-fbi...

                                    IG Report Shows Comey Lied To Congress About FBI Investigation Of Trump Campaign Soon after Monday’s release of the 476-page inspector general’s report on the Carter Page FISA applications and...

                                    BREAKING: Fired FBI Director Comey Lied to Congress - Hid ...

                                    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/02/breaking-fired-fbi-director-comey-lied-to...

                                    Former FBI Director James Comey lied to Congress. While under oath fired FBI Director Comey blamed the decision on an underling for not telling Congress for 9 months about an investigation into candidate Trump before the 2016 election.

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                                      4 Different Lies James Clapper Told About Lying To Congress

                                      https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/06/four-different-lies-james-clapper-told-about...

                                      He Lied Because He ‘Simply Didn’t Understand’ The Question. In an apology letter to Sen. Dianne …

                                      He Lied In the ‘Least Untruthful Manner’ Clapper told MSNBC not that he didn’t understand the …

                                      He Lied to Congress About Leaking Details On the Steele Dossier. A report from the House …

                                      He Lied about His Communication with CNN. In an attempt to run interference for Clapper’s lies to …

                                      James Clapper's perjury, and why DC made men don't get ...

                                      https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/19/james-clappers-perjury-dc-made-men...

                                      Jan 19, 2018 · For Clapper, the attempt to justify his immunity from prosecution has tied officials into knots. After Clapper lied before Congress and there was a public outcry, Clapper gave his “least ...

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                                        @jbluhm86 said:

                                        Ever more the reason to put him on the stand for testimony. Once he is under oath, he cannot lie, under threat of perjury.

                                        For the record, I am also open for the Bidens and any other witnesses being called as well.

                                        What is the worst case scenario for Trump if Bolton testifies Trump told him he wanted the aid to Ukraine held unless Ukraine investigated the Bidens? Trump would be guilty of a thought crime because the facts are the aid was eventually given to Ukraine with no promise to investigate the Bidens. The president of Ukraine also said he felt no pressure to do anything to get the aid. Anyway you slice this it should have never resulted in an impeachment. At most here all you have is a "thought crime". Do we really want to impeach presidents over "thought crimes?"

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                                        @oldbrownsfan said:

                                        What is the worst case scenario for Trump if Bolton testifies Trump told him he wanted the aid to Ukraine held unless Ukraine investigated the Bidens? Trump would be guilty of a thought crime because the facts are the aid was eventually given to Ukraine with no promise to investigate the Bidens. The president of Ukraine also said he felt no pressure to do anything to get the aid. Anyway you slice this it should have never resulted in an impeachment. At most here all you have is a "thought crime". Do we really want to impeach presidents over "thought crimes?"

                                        Townhall: Bolton Should Testify

                                        "By insisting on a defense of total denials, Trump has backed himself into a corner.  When you shout "no quid pro quo!" at the top of your lungs for months (even as the opposite conclusion has been a baked-in assumption among the impeachment crowd all along), it looks quite incriminating if the talking point is forced to morph into "this quid pro quo was not illegal!" based on new evidence.  This is why I've always blanched at the "perfect call/nothing wrong" claims.  Most people, including many impeachment opponents, simply don't buy it -- and the lies and spin end up becoming aggravating factors as people assess the administration's credibility on all matters, not just this one.  That damage is self-inflicted."

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                                          @oldbrownsfan said:

                                          What is the worst case scenario for Trump if Bolton testifies Trump told him he wanted the aid to Ukraine held unless Ukraine investigated the Bidens? Trump would be guilty of a thought crime because the facts are the aid was eventually given to Ukraine with no promise to investigate the Bidens. The president of Ukraine also said he felt no pressure to do anything to get the aid. Anyway you slice this it should have never resulted in an impeachment. At most here all you have is a "thought crime". Do we really want to impeach presidents over "thought crimes?"

                                          Townhall: Bolton Should Testify

                                          "By insisting on a defense of total denials, Trump has backed himself into a corner.  When you shout "no quid pro quo!" at the top of your lungs for months (even as the opposite conclusion has been a baked-in assumption among the impeachment crowd all along), it looks quite incriminating if the talking point is forced to morph into "this quid pro quo was not illegal!" based on new evidence.  This is why I've always blanched at the "perfect call/nothing wrong" claims.  Most people, including many impeachment opponents, simply don't buy it -- and the lies and spin end up becoming aggravating factors as people assess the administration's credibility on all matters, not just this one.  That damage is self-inflicted."

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                                          @jbluhm86 said:

                                          Townhall: Bolton Should Testify

                                          "By insisting on a defense of total denials, Trump has backed himself into a corner.  When you shout "no quid pro quo!" at the top of your lungs for months (even as the opposite conclusion has been a baked-in assumption among the impeachment crowd all along), it looks quite incriminating if the talking point is forced to morph into "this quid pro quo was not illegal!" based on new evidence.  This is why I've always blanched at the "perfect call/nothing wrong" claims.  Most people, including many impeachment opponents, simply don't buy it -- and the lies and spin end up becoming aggravating factors as people assess the administration's credibility on all matters, not just this one.  That damage is self-inflicted."

                                          I would agree a better strategy would have been for Trump to say the Biden's absolutely deserved to be investigated for corruption and he put a pause on the aid to see if the rampant corruption in Ukraine was being addressed (and that included the Bidens). The bottom line though is he did release the aid without any quid pro quo and the whole political  impeachment is a sham. 

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