Budget Deficit to Top $1 Trillion a Year for Next Decade
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Remember when the Tea Party and their supporters were foaming at the mouth over the federal deficit when Obama was in office?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
But when the deficit is growing at a faster pace than even under the Obama administration, yet it's a GOP president in office, it's crickets from the Tea Party and their supporters. Hmm.
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The problem is a spending problem and until there is a will to cut spending we will continue to run up debt. We really are in trouble. I don't think we are going to get serious until it becomes a crisis and then we will be forced at that time to make painful cuts.
At least with Trump we got a great economy for the tax cuts while with Obama we had the worst economic recovery after a recession since WW2 while still running up the debt.
I don't think the democrats are going to approve any spending cuts unless it is the military. Until the republicans would get a filibuster proof Senate there won't be any spending cuts. Our budgets right now to get approved in the Senate seems to be both parties get about all the spending they want and that is the "compromise".
The problem is a spending problem and until there is a will to cut spending we will continue to run up debt. We really are in trouble. I don't think we are going to get serious until it becomes a crisis and then we will be forced at that time to make painful cuts.
At least with Trump we got a great economy for the tax cuts while with Obama we had the worst economic recovery after a recession since WW2 while still running up the debt.
I don't think the democrats are going to approve any spending cuts unless it is the military. Until the republicans would get a filibuster proof Senate there won't be any spending cuts. Our budgets right now to get approved in the Senate seems to be both parties get about all the spending they want and that is the "compromise".
Both parties have had majorities where they can do whatever they wish. Our two parties are never going to willingly cut spending in any significant way. They will never want their party to be the one that pushed austerity.
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The problem is a spending problem and until there is a will to cut spending we will continue to run up debt. We really are in trouble. I don't think we are going to get serious until it becomes a crisis and then we will be forced at that time to make painful cuts.
At least with Trump we got a great economy for the tax cuts while with Obama we had the worst economic recovery after a recession since WW2 while still running up the debt.
I don't think the democrats are going to approve any spending cuts unless it is the military. Until the republicans would get a filibuster proof Senate there won't be any spending cuts. Our budgets right now to get approved in the Senate seems to be both parties get about all the spending they want and that is the "compromise".
Both parties have had majorities where they can do whatever they wish. Our two parties are never going to willingly cut spending in any significant way. They will never want their party to be the one that pushed austerity.
Both parties have had majorities where they can do whatever they wish. Our two parties are never going to willingly cut spending in any significant way. They will never want their party to be the one that pushed austerity.
That only happened once that I can remember and that was Obama's first term in office where he did have a filibuster proof Senate for a short time.
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Both parties have had majorities where they can do whatever they wish. Our two parties are never going to willingly cut spending in any significant way. They will never want their party to be the one that pushed austerity.
That only happened once that I can remember and that was Obama's first term in office where he did have a filibuster proof Senate for a short time.
That only happened once that I can remember and that was Obama's first term in office where he did have a filibuster proof Senate for a short time.
Realistically, there have been blue dog Dems and RINOs that could have made filibuster proof legislation possible. However, we both know that there will not be anything meaningfully done about spending because it is political suicide for the party stuck with the task.
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Remember when the Tea Party and their supporters were foaming at the mouth over the federal deficit when Obama was in office?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
But when the deficit is growing at a faster pace than even under the Obama administration, yet it's a GOP president in office, it's crickets from the Tea Party and their supporters. Hmm.
???
Remember when the Tea Party and their supporters were foaming at the mouth over the federal deficit when Obama was in office?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
But when the deficit is growing at a faster pace than even under the Obama administration, yet it's a GOP president in office, it's crickets from the Tea Party and their supporters. Hmm.
???
Maybe we can elect Comrade Bernie. . .that will fix EVERYTHING!
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the Tea Party was never "foaming at the mouth".
The federal deficit is a dangerously huge problem. But the dems own the House. they create the budget. They control the purse strings.
and far too many reps have kicked the can down the road. You can bet it would go down if Trump had the LINE ITEM VETO.
eight years of obaMao commie inflating our debt, and we couldn't get ONE dem to talk about the concern.
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“Schiff blasted for not focusing on California homeless.” Fox and Friends. His District is in terrible shape. He is a corrupt pol who only dreams of the Impeachment Hoax. In my opinion he is mentally deranged!
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the Tea Party was never "foaming at the mouth".
The federal deficit is a dangerously huge problem. But the dems own the House. they create the budget. They control the purse strings.
and far too many reps have kicked the can down the road. You can bet it would go down if Trump had the LINE ITEM VETO.
eight years of obaMao commie inflating our debt, and we couldn't get ONE dem to talk about the concern.
the Tea Party was never "foaming at the mouth".
The federal deficit is a dangerously huge problem. But the dems own the House. they create the budget. They control the purse strings.
and far too many reps have kicked the can down the road...
I think what you mean is that, constitutionally, appropriations bills first originate in the House - which is true. But, the Senate has the power to amend or reject said bills, and send them to committee to settle out the differences. Plus, both houses of Congress need to sigh off on spending bills, plus a signature from the President/veto override, in order to become law. So, overspending and growth of the federal deficit is a Congressional and Presidential problem, not just a House problem.
And, as an interesting aside to your House arguments: since 1995, Democrats have had a majority in the House only from 2007-2011, and 2019 to present. The GOP has had the majority in the House for 20 out of the last 25 years. In the same 25 year time frame, Democrats have had the majority in both houses of Congress and the Presidency for 4 years; GOP had 6.
...eight years of obaMao commie inflating our debt, and we couldn't get ONE dem to talk about the concern.
The facts are, neither party is interested in reigning in the federal debt, no matter who's got the majority in Congress or who has the presidency. The key difference is, while the Democrats have been consistent about expanding the federal government - and, by extension, the federal deficit, the Republicans have been doing the exact same thing while putting on the appearance of being concerned about the deficit. They used the Tea Party to get in office and did nothing to help slow down or alleviate the federal debt either. Both parties are guilty.
...You can bet it would go down if Trump had the LINE ITEM VETO...
I highly doubt that, since he's increased the federal deficit at a faster pace than even Obama did during his presidency. Plus, you have to remember that a Republican will not always be President, and that a Democrat will be in office again in the future. Do you really want to give future Democratic presidents the power of a line item veto?
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
Remember when the Tea Party and their supporters were foaming at the mouth over the federal deficit when Obama was in office?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
But when the deficit is growing at a faster pace than even under the Obama administration, yet it's a GOP president in office, it's crickets from the Tea Party and their supporters. Hmm.
???
The problem is a spending problem and until there is a will to cut spending we will continue to run up debt. We really are in trouble. I don't think we are going to get serious until it becomes a crisis and then we will be forced at that time to make painful cuts.
At least with Trump we got a great economy for the tax cuts while with Obama we had the worst economic recovery after a recession since WW2 while still running up the debt.
I don't think the democrats are going to approve any spending cuts unless it is the military. Until the republicans would get a filibuster proof Senate there won't be any spending cuts. Our budgets right now to get approved in the Senate seems to be both parties get about all the spending they want and that is the "compromise".
...At least with Trump we got a great economy for the tax cuts while with Obama we had the worst economic recovery after a recession since WW2 while still running up the debt
The deficit is rising despite healthy economic growth: The economy is in its 11th year of expansion, and CBO expects gross domestic product to grow by 2.2% this year, up 0.1 percentage point from its August estimate (but shy of the Trump administration’s 3% annual target). While deficits typically shrink during periods of prolonged economic growth, the budget shortfall has surged as the result of the 2017 Republican tax law and a series of spending increases passed by Congress and signed by President Trump. And CBO expects economic growth to slow to an average annual rate of 1.7% from 2021 through 2030.
Great economies don't mean jack shit if your spending continues to outpace economic growth.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
the Tea Party was never "foaming at the mouth".
The federal deficit is a dangerously huge problem. But the dems own the House. they create the budget. They control the purse strings.
and far too many reps have kicked the can down the road...
I think what you mean is that, constitutionally, appropriations bills first originate in the House - which is true. But, the Senate has the power to amend or reject said bills, and send them to committee to settle out the differences. Plus, both houses of Congress need to sigh off on spending bills, plus a signature from the President/veto override, in order to become law. So, overspending and growth of the federal deficit is a Congressional and Presidential problem, not just a House problem.
And, as an interesting aside to your House arguments: since 1995, Democrats have had a majority in the House only from 2007-2011, and 2019 to present. The GOP has had the majority in the House for 20 out of the last 25 years. In the same 25 year time frame, Democrats have had the majority in both houses of Congress and the Presidency for 4 years; GOP had 6.
...eight years of obaMao commie inflating our debt, and we couldn't get ONE dem to talk about the concern.
The facts are, neither party is interested in reigning in the federal debt, no matter who's got the majority in Congress or who has the presidency. The key difference is, while the Democrats have been consistent about expanding the federal government - and, by extension, the federal deficit, the Republicans have been doing the exact same thing while putting on the appearance of being concerned about the deficit. They used the Tea Party to get in office and did nothing to help slow down or alleviate the federal debt either. Both parties are guilty.
...You can bet it would go down if Trump had the LINE ITEM VETO...
I highly doubt that, since he's increased the federal deficit at a faster pace than even Obama did during his presidency. Plus, you have to remember that a Republican will not always be President, and that a Democrat will be in office again in the future. Do you really want to give future Democratic presidents the power of a line item veto?
The facts are, neither party is interested in reigning in the federal debt, no matter who's got the majority in Congress or who has the presidency. The key difference is, while the Democrats have been consistent about expanding the federal government - and, by extension, the federal deficit, the Republicans have been doing the exact same thing while putting on the appearance of being concerned about the deficit. They used the Tea Party to get in office and did nothing to help slow down or alleviate the federal debt either. Both parties are guilty.
granted, true that. Between having to upgrade our military after "jimmy carters" trashed that spending, etc...and having to allow more and more social welfare spending, etc etc.
It's an endless round train that never stops.
I highly doubt that, since he's increased the federal deficit at a faster pace than even Obama did during his presidency. Plus, you have to remember that a Republican will not always be President, and that a Democrat will be in office again in the future. Do you really want to give future Democratic presidents the power of a line item veto?
only because he doesn't have line item veto. and you are right - I don't ever want the socialist Real America hating anti-Constitution/Bill of Rights sombeitches to ever have line item veto.
It is complicated. But allowing illegals to flood in here by the millions, and give them SS, welfare, housing, health care will doom us all. And that is far, far, far greater than our expenditures on military readiness in wasteful spending....
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...At least with Trump we got a great economy for the tax cuts while with Obama we had the worst economic recovery after a recession since WW2 while still running up the debt
The deficit is rising despite healthy economic growth: The economy is in its 11th year of expansion, and CBO expects gross domestic product to grow by 2.2% this year, up 0.1 percentage point from its August estimate (but shy of the Trump administration’s 3% annual target). While deficits typically shrink during periods of prolonged economic growth, the budget shortfall has surged as the result of the 2017 Republican tax law and a series of spending increases passed by Congress and signed by President Trump. And CBO expects economic growth to slow to an average annual rate of 1.7% from 2021 through 2030.
Great economies don't mean jack shit if your spending continues to outpace economic growth.
Great economies don't mean jack shit if your spending continues to outpace economic growth.
It means it is better than having a mediocre economy with out of control spending. That is all, not defending out of control spending.
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well you gotta spend money to make money...
kicking the can is fun
obamas TARP (that doubled as his budget that his senate blindly approved for years) and QE's ad infinitum
not enuf?
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well you gotta spend money to make money...
kicking the can is fun
obamas TARP (that doubled as his budget that his senate blindly approved for years) and QE's ad infinitum
not enuf?
not enuf?
Well, since Trump is set to exceed the deficits that occured during the Obama administration, you tell me.
Forbes: Trump’s Budget Deficits Could Almost Double Obama’s
"The first thing you notice when looking at the federal deficits from fiscal 2008 (the US government fiscal year ends in September) is that it increased by almost $1 trillion from fiscal 2008 (before Obama was elected) to fiscal 2009 (which was based on Bush’s last budget). It remained over $1 trillion per year for four years and got below Bush’s last years deficit in fiscal 2015. It continued to decrease until Obama’s last year and increased again in Trump’s first year in office."
- Fiscal 2007: $161 billion (next to last year of Bush’s second term)
- Fiscal 2008: $459 billion (beginning impact from the Great Recession)
- Fiscal 2009: $1.4 trillion (Obama’s first year, Bush’s budget and in the teeth of the Recession)
- Fiscal 2010: $1.3 trillion
- Fiscal 2011: $1.3 trillion
- Fiscal 2012: $1.1 trillion
- Fiscal 2013: $680 billion
- Fiscal 2014: $485 billion
- Fiscal 2015: $438 billion
- Fiscal 2016: $587 billion
Comparing Trump’s deficits to Obama’s
Similar to comparing Trump’s job growth during his 29 months in office to Obama’s last 29 months where Trump’s Presidency has generated almost one million fewer jobs, Trump’s federal deficits are projected to zoom past Obama’s when you combine the last four years of Obama’s Presidency to Trump’s first four years. In fact Trump’s could approach doubling Obama’s.
There are a few timeframes that are useful to analyze given that a new President doesn’t really have control the fiscal year they are elected and inaugurated and may have minimal impact the first full year. To account for the time lags, below are three rolling four year timeframes for Obama’s last four years in office and Trump’s first four years.
Cumulative rolling four years of deficits under Obama:
- 2012-2015: $2,191 billion (last four years of Obama’s Presidency)
- 2013-2016: $2,171 billion (last three years and first year of Trump’s)
- 2014-2017: $2,471 billion (last two years and first two years of Trump’s)
Under Trump:
- 2017-2020: $3.330 billion (first four years of Trump’s Presidency, one year of increased spending)
- 2018-2021: $3,757 billion (second to fourth year of Trump’s Presidency, first year after and two years of increased spending)
- 2019-2022: $4,228 billion (last two years and first two years of next term)
As you can see the timeframes that use the actual last four years of Obama to Trump’s first four is actually the most favorable for Trump as his cumulative budget deficit is only $1,139 billion more. As time goes by Trump’s are worse by $1,586 billion and then $1,757 billion, respectively.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
The bottom line is we have a spending problem and neither party will address it because who wants to do any sacrifice as long as we can spend on a credit card. The republicans do better at talking about reducing the debt when they are out of power but they have shown they cannot follow through with reducing the debt when in power. It seems obvious to me that nothing will be done until we hit crisis stage and then are forced by necessity to make painful cuts. We really should be making less painful cuts now but it looks like that is not going to happen.
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not enuf?
Well, since Trump is set to exceed the deficits that occured during the Obama administration, you tell me.
Forbes: Trump’s Budget Deficits Could Almost Double Obama’s
"The first thing you notice when looking at the federal deficits from fiscal 2008 (the US government fiscal year ends in September) is that it increased by almost $1 trillion from fiscal 2008 (before Obama was elected) to fiscal 2009 (which was based on Bush’s last budget). It remained over $1 trillion per year for four years and got below Bush’s last years deficit in fiscal 2015. It continued to decrease until Obama’s last year and increased again in Trump’s first year in office."
- Fiscal 2007: $161 billion (next to last year of Bush’s second term)
- Fiscal 2008: $459 billion (beginning impact from the Great Recession)
- Fiscal 2009: $1.4 trillion (Obama’s first year, Bush’s budget and in the teeth of the Recession)
- Fiscal 2010: $1.3 trillion
- Fiscal 2011: $1.3 trillion
- Fiscal 2012: $1.1 trillion
- Fiscal 2013: $680 billion
- Fiscal 2014: $485 billion
- Fiscal 2015: $438 billion
- Fiscal 2016: $587 billion
Comparing Trump’s deficits to Obama’s
Similar to comparing Trump’s job growth during his 29 months in office to Obama’s last 29 months where Trump’s Presidency has generated almost one million fewer jobs, Trump’s federal deficits are projected to zoom past Obama’s when you combine the last four years of Obama’s Presidency to Trump’s first four years. In fact Trump’s could approach doubling Obama’s.
There are a few timeframes that are useful to analyze given that a new President doesn’t really have control the fiscal year they are elected and inaugurated and may have minimal impact the first full year. To account for the time lags, below are three rolling four year timeframes for Obama’s last four years in office and Trump’s first four years.
Cumulative rolling four years of deficits under Obama:
- 2012-2015: $2,191 billion (last four years of Obama’s Presidency)
- 2013-2016: $2,171 billion (last three years and first year of Trump’s)
- 2014-2017: $2,471 billion (last two years and first two years of Trump’s)
Under Trump:
- 2017-2020: $3.330 billion (first four years of Trump’s Presidency, one year of increased spending)
- 2018-2021: $3,757 billion (second to fourth year of Trump’s Presidency, first year after and two years of increased spending)
- 2019-2022: $4,228 billion (last two years and first two years of next term)
As you can see the timeframes that use the actual last four years of Obama to Trump’s first four is actually the most favorable for Trump as his cumulative budget deficit is only $1,139 billion more. As time goes by Trump’s are worse by $1,586 billion and then $1,757 billion, respectively.
Well, since Trump is set to exceed the deficits that occured during the Obama administration, you tell me.
Forbes: Trump’s Budget Deficits Could Almost Double Obama’s
"The first thing you notice when looking at the federal deficits from fiscal 2008 (the US government fiscal year ends in September) is that it increased by almost $1 trillion from fiscal 2008 (before Obama was elected) to fiscal 2009 (which was based on Bush’s last budget). It remained over $1 trillion per year for four years and got below Bush’s last years deficit in fiscal 2015. It continued to decrease until Obama’s last year and increased again in Trump’s first year in office."
- Fiscal 2007: $161 billion (next to last year of Bush’s second term)
- Fiscal 2008: $459 billion (beginning impact from the Great Recession)
- Fiscal 2009: $1.4 trillion (Obama’s first year, Bush’s budget and in the teeth of the Recession)
- Fiscal 2010: $1.3 trillion
- Fiscal 2011: $1.3 trillion
- Fiscal 2012: $1.1 trillion
- Fiscal 2013: $680 billion
- Fiscal 2014: $485 billion
- Fiscal 2015: $438 billion
- Fiscal 2016: $587 billion
Comparing Trump’s deficits to Obama’s
Similar to comparing Trump’s job growth during his 29 months in office to Obama’s last 29 months where Trump’s Presidency has generated almost one million fewer jobs, Trump’s federal deficits are projected to zoom past Obama’s when you combine the last four years of Obama’s Presidency to Trump’s first four years. In fact Trump’s could approach doubling Obama’s.
There are a few timeframes that are useful to analyze given that a new President doesn’t really have control the fiscal year they are elected and inaugurated and may have minimal impact the first full year. To account for the time lags, below are three rolling four year timeframes for Obama’s last four years in office and Trump’s first four years.
Cumulative rolling four years of deficits under Obama:
- 2012-2015: $2,191 billion (last four years of Obama’s Presidency)
- 2013-2016: $2,171 billion (last three years and first year of Trump’s)
- 2014-2017: $2,471 billion (last two years and first two years of Trump’s)
Under Trump:
- 2017-2020: $3.330 billion (first four years of Trump’s Presidency, one year of increased spending)
- 2018-2021: $3,757 billion (second to fourth year of Trump’s Presidency, first year after and two years of increased spending)
- 2019-2022: $4,228 billion (last two years and first two years of next term)
As you can see the timeframes that use the actual last four years of Obama to Trump’s first four is actually the most favorable for Trump as his cumulative budget deficit is only $1,139 billion more. As time goes by Trump’s are worse by $1,586 billion and then $1,757 billion, respectively.
Let's not bury our head in the sand.
What platform are ALL the Dem Presidential hopefuls running on?
I'll help you out with that...freebies.
Fauxcahontas is promising to erase trillions of dollars of college debt, while promising free healthcare for EVERYONE.
I don't think you have to be an accounting major to figure out how that's going to impact the national debt.
So yes, you're right that both Dems & Repubs have a hand at deepening the debt, but the Libs are actually bribing voters.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Well, since Trump is set to exceed the deficits that occured during the Obama administration, you tell me.
Forbes: Trump’s Budget Deficits Could Almost Double Obama’s
"The first thing you notice when looking at the federal deficits from fiscal 2008 (the US government fiscal year ends in September) is that it increased by almost $1 trillion from fiscal 2008 (before Obama was elected) to fiscal 2009 (which was based on Bush’s last budget). It remained over $1 trillion per year for four years and got below Bush’s last years deficit in fiscal 2015. It continued to decrease until Obama’s last year and increased again in Trump’s first year in office."
- Fiscal 2007: $161 billion (next to last year of Bush’s second term)
- Fiscal 2008: $459 billion (beginning impact from the Great Recession)
- Fiscal 2009: $1.4 trillion (Obama’s first year, Bush’s budget and in the teeth of the Recession)
- Fiscal 2010: $1.3 trillion
- Fiscal 2011: $1.3 trillion
- Fiscal 2012: $1.1 trillion
- Fiscal 2013: $680 billion
- Fiscal 2014: $485 billion
- Fiscal 2015: $438 billion
- Fiscal 2016: $587 billion
Comparing Trump’s deficits to Obama’s
Similar to comparing Trump’s job growth during his 29 months in office to Obama’s last 29 months where Trump’s Presidency has generated almost one million fewer jobs, Trump’s federal deficits are projected to zoom past Obama’s when you combine the last four years of Obama’s Presidency to Trump’s first four years. In fact Trump’s could approach doubling Obama’s.
There are a few timeframes that are useful to analyze given that a new President doesn’t really have control the fiscal year they are elected and inaugurated and may have minimal impact the first full year. To account for the time lags, below are three rolling four year timeframes for Obama’s last four years in office and Trump’s first four years.
Cumulative rolling four years of deficits under Obama:
- 2012-2015: $2,191 billion (last four years of Obama’s Presidency)
- 2013-2016: $2,171 billion (last three years and first year of Trump’s)
- 2014-2017: $2,471 billion (last two years and first two years of Trump’s)
Under Trump:
- 2017-2020: $3.330 billion (first four years of Trump’s Presidency, one year of increased spending)
- 2018-2021: $3,757 billion (second to fourth year of Trump’s Presidency, first year after and two years of increased spending)
- 2019-2022: $4,228 billion (last two years and first two years of next term)
As you can see the timeframes that use the actual last four years of Obama to Trump’s first four is actually the most favorable for Trump as his cumulative budget deficit is only $1,139 billion more. As time goes by Trump’s are worse by $1,586 billion and then $1,757 billion, respectively.
Let's not bury our head in the sand.
What platform are ALL the Dem Presidential hopefuls running on?
I'll help you out with that...freebies.
Fauxcahontas is promising to erase trillions of dollars of college debt, while promising free healthcare for EVERYONE.
I don't think you have to be an accounting major to figure out how that's going to impact the national debt.
So yes, you're right that both Dems & Repubs have a hand at deepening the debt, but the Libs are actually bribing voters.
but the Libs are actually bribing voters.
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but the Libs are actually bribing voters.
the dishonest inference is, that paying people on the leftwing side to protest, show up, etc... is the same as cash giveaways to communities, I think. Not the same thing.
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but the Libs are actually bribing voters.
I think you're confusing private donations with taxpayer funds,.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
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