Deep Thoughts from Elk Fag
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Hoorta, I think it is more that the decision makers will take in to account what Depo says as well as what the scouts say. The Dorse ignored Depo. Depo doesn't make the decisions. He simply provides information that might help the people that do.
Depoop is an egomaniac who loves playing Madden Moneyball with our team..... This whole coaching/GM search was one big sham.... I have 0 confidence in our owner and FO as it stands.... Stefanski was one of the very last of the candidates I had interest in if any.. He has no audible system for his QB.. So that automatically threw a red flag up for me.... He doesn't come off as the Alpha , Jimmy swore he was gonna hire.. He looks more like a disgruntled gym teacher... Andrew Berry blows and was part of the FO that brought us 0-16.. I have 0 confidence in him.. Dorsey was Prime Rib.. Berry is more on the order of a gristly Spencer cut... I'd rather have the Prime Rib...
Depoop is an egomaniac who loves playing Madden Moneyball with our team..... This whole coaching/GM search was one big sham.... I have 0 confidence in our owner and FO as it stands.... Stefanski was one of the very last of the candidates I had interest in if any.. He has no audible system for his QB.. So that automatically threw a red flag up for me.... He doesn't come off as the Alpha , Jimmy swore he was gonna hire.. He looks more like a disgruntled gym teacher... Andrew Berry blows and was part of the FO that brought us 0-16.. I have 0 confidence in him.. Dorsey was Prime Rib.. Berry is more on the order of a gristly Spencer cut... I'd rather have the Prime Rib...
Couple of things nickers.
1) Did you bother to listen to any of Depodesta's press conferences? He certainly doesn't come off as an egomaniac, far from it.
2) Stefansky no audible system? Where did you hear that? BTW, the last Browns coach to win a Championship- Blanton Collier certainly didn't impress me as an Alpha Male. Add plenty of Super Bowl winning coaches to that list.
3) If Andrew Berry blows, then Jimmy Haslam would have to be a certified cretin to bring him back if he thought Andy was a major factor in 0-16. Haslam has to have at least two communicating neurons.
4) Nah, Dorsey served Browns fans up a hot mess of not ready for Prime Time Freddie Kitchens, over drafted Austin Corbett, and shouldn't have been drafted Antonio Callaway. Because he had all the answers, and wouldn't listen to anyone else. Just maybe the Browns can go to the Super Bowl like the Chiefs did after they told The Dorse adios.
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Depoop is an egomaniac who loves playing Madden Moneyball with our team..... This whole coaching/GM search was one big sham.... I have 0 confidence in our owner and FO as it stands.... Stefanski was one of the very last of the candidates I had interest in if any.. He has no audible system for his QB.. So that automatically threw a red flag up for me.... He doesn't come off as the Alpha , Jimmy swore he was gonna hire.. He looks more like a disgruntled gym teacher... Andrew Berry blows and was part of the FO that brought us 0-16.. I have 0 confidence in him.. Dorsey was Prime Rib.. Berry is more on the order of a gristly Spencer cut... I'd rather have the Prime Rib...
Couple of things nickers.
1) Did you bother to listen to any of Depodesta's press conferences? He certainly doesn't come off as an egomaniac, far from it.
2) Stefansky no audible system? Where did you hear that? BTW, the last Browns coach to win a Championship- Blanton Collier certainly didn't impress me as an Alpha Male. Add plenty of Super Bowl winning coaches to that list.
3) If Andrew Berry blows, then Jimmy Haslam would have to be a certified cretin to bring him back if he thought Andy was a major factor in 0-16. Haslam has to have at least two communicating neurons.
4) Nah, Dorsey served Browns fans up a hot mess of not ready for Prime Time Freddie Kitchens, over drafted Austin Corbett, and shouldn't have been drafted Antonio Callaway. Because he had all the answers, and wouldn't listen to anyone else. Just maybe the Browns can go to the Super Bowl like the Chiefs did after they told The Dorse adios.
Couple of things nickers.
1) Did you bother to listen to any of Depodesta's press conferences? He certainly doesn't come off as an egomaniac, far from it.
2) Stefansky no audible system? Where did you hear that?
3) If Andrew Berry blows, then Jimmy Haslam would have to be a certified cretin to bring him back if he thought Andy was a major factor in 0-16. Haslam has to have at least two communicating neurons.
4) Nah, Dorsey served Browns fans up a hot mess of not ready for Prime Time Freddie Kitchens, over drafted Austin Corbett, and shouldn't have been drafted Antonio Callaway. Because he had all the answers, and wouldn't listen to anyone else. Just maybe the Browns can go to the Super Bowl like the Chiefs did after they told The Dorse adios.
Yes.. Anyone can talk up a good game.... He's a good actor..
As far as Stefanski goes.. I had read that audibles were not part of his system much like Norv Turner.. Who again.. Runs no audible system for his QB's.. Which is why I put an asterisk next to Trow Aikman
jimmy is a cretin.. No doubt about it..
Dorsey gave us more talent in 2 years than any of these dipshits before or even after him will.. Sorry.. I can't drink the Lake Ere Swill going around on this team.. They blow.. I see another sub par season on the horizon.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
That's right! We should use 100 times which predicted Bob Hayes' HOF career!
At least 3 of your examples weren't simply Combine wonders... and one did not go to the Combine.
- Gilbert picked 12 passes at OU including 7 his Sr. year.
- Gholston started 2 years at tOSU and posted 22.5 sacks including 14 his Sr. year... plus he added 15 TFLs or more each season.
So in these cases their Combine measureables confirmed their college performances.
Russell was frickin' beast at LSU who in his last season there: completed 68% of his passes, over 3000 yd, 28 TD and only 8 INT. He did not attend the Combine.
Mingo? Yeah... over-hyped tweener at LSU who never posted great numbers as an undersized DE.
Yup Tour, Bob Hayes was one of the few track stars to make the jump to the NFL.
I probably misstated what I wanted to say. A high sparq score doesn't guarantee success in the pros. Then you have the skinny kid from Michigan who turned into the GOAT of quarterbacks.
I'm encouraged it seems like DePo is going to seriously take into account what the scouts are saying about the players they looked at. Won't all be about numbers. Have to admit this year I've spent around no time doing my scouting, except for Joe Burrow and the usual Ohio State suspects.
I'm encouraged it seems like DePo is going to seriously take into account what the scouts are saying about the players they looked at. Won't all be about numbers.
It never has been "all about the numbers", h. In the age of consensus, at their high point Analytics were equally weighted.
As for Depo... It's not his job to take scouts' player evaluations into account; that's Berry's job.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Couple of things nickers.
1) Did you bother to listen to any of Depodesta's press conferences? He certainly doesn't come off as an egomaniac, far from it.
2) Stefansky no audible system? Where did you hear that?
3) If Andrew Berry blows, then Jimmy Haslam would have to be a certified cretin to bring him back if he thought Andy was a major factor in 0-16. Haslam has to have at least two communicating neurons.
4) Nah, Dorsey served Browns fans up a hot mess of not ready for Prime Time Freddie Kitchens, over drafted Austin Corbett, and shouldn't have been drafted Antonio Callaway. Because he had all the answers, and wouldn't listen to anyone else. Just maybe the Browns can go to the Super Bowl like the Chiefs did after they told The Dorse adios.
Yes.. Anyone can talk up a good game.... He's a good actor..
As far as Stefanski goes.. I had read that audibles were not part of his system much like Norv Turner.. Who again.. Runs no audible system for his QB's.. Which is why I put an asterisk next to Trow Aikman
jimmy is a cretin.. No doubt about it..
Dorsey gave us more talent in 2 years than any of these dipshits before or even after him will.. Sorry.. I can't drink the Lake Ere Swill going around on this team.. They blow.. I see another sub par season on the horizon.
Yes.. Anyone can talk up a good game.... He's a good actor..
As far as Stefanski goes.. I had read that audibles were not part of his system much like Norv Turner.. Who again.. Runs no audible system for his QB's.. Which is why I put an asterisk next to Trow Aikman
jimmy is a cretin.. No doubt about it..
Dorsey gave us more talent in 2 years than any of these dipshits before or even after him will.. Sorry.. I can't drink the Lake Ere Swill going around on this team.. They blow.. I see another sub par season on the horizon.
FWIW, I Googled ONE reference where Stefansky tried running the ball against the 49ers. That doesn't equal no audible system.
OK, Depodesta is a phony, and Haslam is dumber than a box of rocks. Whatever.
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I'm encouraged it seems like DePo is going to seriously take into account what the scouts are saying about the players they looked at. Won't all be about numbers.
It never has been "all about the numbers", h. In the age of consensus, at their high point Analytics were equally weighted.
As for Depo... It's not his job to take scouts' player evaluations into account; that's Berry's job.
It never has been "all about the numbers", h. In the age of consensus, at their high point Analytics were equally weighted.
As for Depo... It's not his job to take scouts' player evaluations into account; that's Berry's job.
That setup sounds fine Tour. Berry takes the scouts, analytics, and coaches opinions into account, then is everybody HAPPY?
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It never has been "all about the numbers", h. In the age of consensus, at their high point Analytics were equally weighted.
As for Depo... It's not his job to take scouts' player evaluations into account; that's Berry's job.
That setup sounds fine Tour. Berry takes the scouts, analytics, and coaches opinions into account, then is everybody HAPPY?
That setup sounds fine Tour. Berry takes the scouts, analytics, and coaches opinions into account, then is everybody HAPPY?
Still not sure how it all comes together. While Berry is a "football guy" we've no idea how strong of a one he is.
Could be behind the scenes he was championing different decisions for years or...
... it's as simple as "best of three", i.e., so long as two of the three Departments agree on a prospect/FA, then we go after him.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Hoorta, I think it is more that the decision makers will take in to account what Depo says as well as what the scouts say. The Dorse ignored Depo. Depo doesn't make the decisions. He simply provides information that might help the people that do.
Depoop is an egomaniac who loves playing Madden Moneyball with our team..... This whole coaching/GM search was one big sham.... I have 0 confidence in our owner and FO as it stands.... Stefanski was one of the very last of the candidates I had interest in if any.. He has no audible system for his QB.. So that automatically threw a red flag up for me.... He doesn't come off as the Alpha , Jimmy swore he was gonna hire.. He looks more like a disgruntled gym teacher... Andrew Berry blows and was part of the FO that brought us 0-16.. I have 0 confidence in him.. Dorsey was Prime Rib.. Berry is more on the order of a gristly Spencer cut... I'd rather have the Prime Rib...
Depoop is an egomaniac who loves playing Madden Moneyball with our team..... This whole coaching/GM search was one big sham.... I have 0 confidence in our owner and FO as it stands.... Stefanski was one of the very last of the candidates I had interest in if any.. He has no audible system for his QB.. So that automatically threw a red flag up for me.... He doesn't come off as the Alpha , Jimmy swore he was gonna hire.. He looks more like a disgruntled gym teacher... Andrew Berry blows and was part of the FO that brought us 0-16.. I have 0 confidence in him.. Dorsey was Prime Rib.. Berry is more on the order of a gristly Spencer cut... I'd rather have the Prime Rib...
You and others keep saying moneyball. That is far from the truth. In baseball teams like the Yankees have unlimited funds. Teams like the A's and Indians don't so they have to make every dollar count, so yes, moneyball applies. In football, teams have a cap on how much they can spend and a minimum that teams have to spend. I think it is 92% of the cap as averaged over 3-4 seasons.
So, explain to me how "moneyball" applies??
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That setup sounds fine Tour. Berry takes the scouts, analytics, and coaches opinions into account, then is everybody HAPPY?
Still not sure how it all comes together. While Berry is a "football guy" we've no idea how strong of a one he is.
Could be behind the scenes he was championing different decisions for years or...
... it's as simple as "best of three", i.e., so long as two of the three Departments agree on a prospect/FA, then we go after him.
Still not sure how it all comes together. While Berry is a "football guy" we've no idea how strong of a one he is.
Could be behind the scenes he was championing different decisions for years or...
... it's as simple as "best of three", i.e., so long as two of the three Departments agree on a prospect/FA, then we go after him.
You never know how it is going to work until you see it unfold. Hey, last year we thought it was going to work until the Dorse hired Freddie, then we found out it didn't.
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Depoop is an egomaniac who loves playing Madden Moneyball with our team..... This whole coaching/GM search was one big sham.... I have 0 confidence in our owner and FO as it stands.... Stefanski was one of the very last of the candidates I had interest in if any.. He has no audible system for his QB.. So that automatically threw a red flag up for me.... He doesn't come off as the Alpha , Jimmy swore he was gonna hire.. He looks more like a disgruntled gym teacher... Andrew Berry blows and was part of the FO that brought us 0-16.. I have 0 confidence in him.. Dorsey was Prime Rib.. Berry is more on the order of a gristly Spencer cut... I'd rather have the Prime Rib...
You and others keep saying moneyball. That is far from the truth. In baseball teams like the Yankees have unlimited funds. Teams like the A's and Indians don't so they have to make every dollar count, so yes, moneyball applies. In football, teams have a cap on how much they can spend and a minimum that teams have to spend. I think it is 92% of the cap as averaged over 3-4 seasons.
So, explain to me how "moneyball" applies??
So, explain to me how "moneyball" applies??
Just invest in a good camera and trash cans.??
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Depoop is an egomaniac who loves playing Madden Moneyball with our team..... This whole coaching/GM search was one big sham.... I have 0 confidence in our owner and FO as it stands.... Stefanski was one of the very last of the candidates I had interest in if any.. He has no audible system for his QB.. So that automatically threw a red flag up for me.... He doesn't come off as the Alpha , Jimmy swore he was gonna hire.. He looks more like a disgruntled gym teacher... Andrew Berry blows and was part of the FO that brought us 0-16.. I have 0 confidence in him.. Dorsey was Prime Rib.. Berry is more on the order of a gristly Spencer cut... I'd rather have the Prime Rib...
You and others keep saying moneyball. That is far from the truth. In baseball teams like the Yankees have unlimited funds. Teams like the A's and Indians don't so they have to make every dollar count, so yes, moneyball applies. In football, teams have a cap on how much they can spend and a minimum that teams have to spend. I think it is 92% of the cap as averaged over 3-4 seasons.
So, explain to me how "moneyball" applies??
You and others keep saying moneyball. That is far from the truth. In baseball teams like the Yankees have unlimited funds. Teams like the A's and Indians don't so they have to make every dollar count, so yes, moneyball applies. In football, teams have a cap on how much they can spend and a minimum that teams have to spend. I think it is 92% of the cap as averaged over 3-4 seasons.
So, explain to me how "moneyball" applies??
All I can tell you is whatever these circle jerks are doing.. I don't like it.. They can go to hell!
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Depoop is an egomaniac who loves playing Madden Moneyball with our team..... This whole coaching/GM search was one big sham.... I have 0 confidence in our owner and FO as it stands.... Stefanski was one of the very last of the candidates I had interest in if any.. He has no audible system for his QB.. So that automatically threw a red flag up for me.... He doesn't come off as the Alpha , Jimmy swore he was gonna hire.. He looks more like a disgruntled gym teacher... Andrew Berry blows and was part of the FO that brought us 0-16.. I have 0 confidence in him.. Dorsey was Prime Rib.. Berry is more on the order of a gristly Spencer cut... I'd rather have the Prime Rib...
You and others keep saying moneyball. That is far from the truth. In baseball teams like the Yankees have unlimited funds. Teams like the A's and Indians don't so they have to make every dollar count, so yes, moneyball applies. In football, teams have a cap on how much they can spend and a minimum that teams have to spend. I think it is 92% of the cap as averaged over 3-4 seasons.
So, explain to me how "moneyball" applies??
You and others keep saying moneyball. That is far from the truth. In baseball teams like the Yankees have unlimited funds. Teams like the A's and Indians don't so they have to make every dollar count, so yes, moneyball applies. In football, teams have a cap on how much they can spend and a minimum that teams have to spend. I think it is 92% of the cap as averaged over 3-4 seasons.
So, explain to me how "moneyball" applies??
Wrong.
The Cubs, Red Sox and Astros applied the same principles to World Series titles. All teams who borrowed from Moneyball, who bought in 100% into analytics.
Those three teams strike you as the "sisters of the poor" of MLB?
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You and others keep saying moneyball. That is far from the truth. In baseball teams like the Yankees have unlimited funds. Teams like the A's and Indians don't so they have to make every dollar count, so yes, moneyball applies. In football, teams have a cap on how much they can spend and a minimum that teams have to spend. I think it is 92% of the cap as averaged over 3-4 seasons.
So, explain to me how "moneyball" applies??
All I can tell you is whatever these circle jerks are doing.. I don't like it.. They can go to hell!
All I can tell you is whatever these circle jerks are doing.. I don't like it.. They can go to hell!
Great, you don't like it\ them. Hate to tell you but you don't have much choice, unless you have a few billion lying around to buy Haslam out. And I'm pretty sure that the Browns currently aren't for sale.
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You and others keep saying moneyball. That is far from the truth. In baseball teams like the Yankees have unlimited funds. Teams like the A's and Indians don't so they have to make every dollar count, so yes, moneyball applies. In football, teams have a cap on how much they can spend and a minimum that teams have to spend. I think it is 92% of the cap as averaged over 3-4 seasons.
So, explain to me how "moneyball" applies??
Wrong.
The Cubs, Red Sox and Astros applied the same principles to World Series titles. All teams who borrowed from Moneyball, who bought in 100% into analytics.
Those three teams strike you as the "sisters of the poor" of MLB?
Wrong.
The Cubs, Red Sox and Astros applied the same principles to World Series titles. All teams who borrowed from Moneyball, who bought in 100% into analytics.
Those three teams strike you as the "sisters of the poor" of MLB?
Yes and no...yes in the sense teams use analytics. My comment was aimed more towards people who think we are going to do it on the cheap. My point is we have to spend the money somewhere.
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You and others keep saying moneyball. That is far from the truth. In baseball teams like the Yankees have unlimited funds. Teams like the A's and Indians don't so they have to make every dollar count, so yes, moneyball applies. In football, teams have a cap on how much they can spend and a minimum that teams have to spend. I think it is 92% of the cap as averaged over 3-4 seasons.
So, explain to me how "moneyball" applies??
Wrong.
The Cubs, Red Sox and Astros applied the same principles to World Series titles. All teams who borrowed from Moneyball, who bought in 100% into analytics.
Those three teams strike you as the "sisters of the poor" of MLB?
The Cubs, Red Sox and Astros applied the same principles to World Series titles. All teams who borrowed from Moneyball, who bought in 100% into analytics.
There's a difference in the dog-eat-dog MLB between "borrowing from" because the OAKs of the world were out-competing your wallet and having to fully commit because it's the only way a "small market team" can compete. That said... who wouldn't want to have the Red Sox bankroll to spnnd on pitching while getting smarter about who they pay to be position players.
There is no parallel in the 'revenue sharing", socialistic world of the NFL. In football it's purely a matter of competitive advantage and the team that blends the best of traditional scouting and modern analytics has been the team that has been most competitive.
The name of that team is the New England Patriots. On top of everything else they set the analytics standard for the NFL.
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