My decades of being a staunch Independent are history

[LogicIsForSquares]

@diehardbrownsfan said:

 

 

Donald J. Trump

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I was very surprised & disappointed that Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia voted against me on the Democrat’s totally partisan Impeachment Hoax. No President has done more for the great people of West Virginia than me (Pensions), and that will always continue. Every Republican Senator except Romney, many highly religious people, all very smart, voted against the Impeachment Hoax. Sen. Capito was all in (a great person). I was told by many that Manchin was just a puppet for Schumer & Pelosi. That’s all he is!

WV votes in total simps and glowed red during the last presidential election because all you have to say is coal over and over and you win. Manchin will do just that at election time. 

[Axe]

He doesn't have to say shit till 2024..

So for now, he's a puppy on a leash.

[hoorta]

@calfoxwc said:

don't be like woody, give us one example of how he is not being a Real American promise keeping president.

(and look at the tens of thousands who go to his rallies....)

He's  a great  American  slimeball  who  added another trillion to  the  deficit.  And stole from money allocated to  the  military  to build his pet wall  that a lot of AMERICANS think  is a waste of money.

[TexasAg1969]

@hoorta said:

He's  a great  American  slimeball  who  added another trillion+/year to  the  deficit.  And stole from money allocated to  the  military  to build his pet wall  that a lot of AMERICANS think  is a waste of money.

Fixed it for ya. Always fun to watch cal twist off. De Nile is strong with this one.? Good work Tour & hoorta.?

Trump really showed his Christianity in the prayer breakfast. He has no clue what motivates a real Christian like Romney. Then he went out and fired a twin brother just for being a twin.? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!?

[LogicIsForSquares]

@axe said:

He doesn't have to say shit till 2024..

So for now, he's a puppy on a leash.

The locals will forget all this when he mentions the coal fairy in 2024. 

[OldBrownsFan]

@texasag1969 said:

Fixed it for ya. Always fun to watch cal twist off. De Nile is strong with this one.? Good work Tour & hoorta.?

Trump really showed his Christianity in the prayer breakfast. He has no clue what motivates a real Christian like Romney. Then he went out and fired a twin brother just for being a twin.? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!?

LOL...wasn't a real Christian like Mitt Romney cowardly using a phony twitter name "Pierre Delecto" to attack Trump...yeah that was profiles in courage Mitt

[DieHardBrownsFan]

@texasag1969 said:

Fixed it for ya. Always fun to watch cal twist off. De Nile is strong with this one.? Good work Tour & hoorta.?

Trump really showed his Christianity in the prayer breakfast. He has no clue what motivates a real Christian like Romney. Then he went out and fired a twin brother just for being a twin.? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!?

Romney is a Mormon, hardly a christian.

[TexasAg1969]

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Romney is a Mormon, hardly a christian.

Well then he has something in common with the anti-Christ in charge.??

EDIT: Hmmm, I wonder why this is here then. 

Moroni 10:32, "Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God."

[Axe]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1225546862167494657

[TexasAg1969]

@oldbrownsfan said:

LOL...wasn't a real Christian like Mitt Romney cowardly using a phony twitter name "Pierre Delecto" to attack Trump...yeah that was profiles in courage Mitt

You mean kind of like John Miller? LOLOLOLOL!?

https://fortune.com/2016/05/18/donald-trump-fake-names/

[TexasAg1969]

@axe said:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1225546862167494657

LOL! I bet you bought his car too snce you are buying his BS.?

[OldBrownsFan]

@texasag1969 said:

You mean kind of like John Miller? LOLOLOLOL!?

https://fortune.com/2016/05/18/donald-trump-fake-names/

You are the one putting Romney on a moral character pedestal. I have never done that with Trump. My support for Trump has always been for his policies such as pro life and religious freedoms. His economic policies have been good and our military needed to be rebuilt after being decimated under Obama.He has been good on veterans issues and made our country energy independent. Under his watch all the territory ISIS had taken over was taken back. He has an amazing list of achievements in a little over 3 years.

The same hypocritical lefties who are praising Romney today for his "moral courage" are the ones who called him a racist, tax cheater, woman hater and animal abuser when he ran for president. 

Mitt Romney is not ‘principled’ — and he never has been

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/mitt-romney-is-not-principled-and-he-never-has-been

[OldBrownsFan]

@texasag1969 said:

Well then he has something in common with the anti-Christ in charge.??

EDIT: Hmmm, I wonder why this is here then. 

Moroni 10:32, "Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God."

Who is Moroni?

http://lifeafter.org/moroni-who-was-he/

[tiamat63]

@oldbrownsfan said:

 our military needed to be rebuilt after being decimated under Obama.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/272473/us-military-spending-from-2000-to-2012/

Military budget year by year.  Increased 3 years running Obama's first term, then declined in correlation with ending mass operations in Iraq (A topic in and of itself for another time)  Only to plateau and, predictably, begin climbing again under Trump.  

Worth noting the increase in budget, adjusted for inflation I believe, from the troop surge of 2003 in comparison to now in 2018.      

As with anything, you're within your right to say it.   But that's doesn't mean it isn't wrong.  

edit:  Be willing to bet that I could find thousands of "we have the greatest military evvvaaaa" posts on this board if I went back through the last decade of history as well.  

[OldBrownsFan]

@tiamat63 said:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/272473/us-military-spending-from-2000-to-2012/

Military budget year by year.  Increased 3 years running Obama's first term, then declined in correlation with ending mass operations in Iraq (A topic in and of itself for another time)  Only to plateau and, predictably, begin climbing again under Trump.  

Worth noting the increase in budget, adjusted for inflation I believe, from the troop surge of 2003 in comparison to now in 2018.      

As with anything, you're within your right to say it.   But that's doesn't mean it isn't wrong.  

U.S. military decimated under Obama, only 'marginally able' to defend nation

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/24/us-military-decimated-under-obama-only-marginally-/

[tiamat63]

@oldbrownsfan said:

U.S. military decimated under Obama, only 'marginally able' to defend nation

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/24/us-military-decimated-under-obama-only-marginally-/

From your article

In other words, the Quadrennial Defense Review says the military can essentially fight two major conflicts at once. It could defeat an invasion of South Korea by the North, for example, and stop Russia from invading Western Europe or Iran from conquering a Persian Gulf state.

This is rather the ideal streamlined and efficient military composition that ideally fluctuates between cost v use, no?      Facts remain, the military budget was still significantly more collectively under Obama than his predecessor when adjusted for inflation.    So this would beg the question, if the U.S. military was as "decimated" as you may claim,  then why such costs to maintain that which we don't have?    May that point out some serious budget bleeds and unnecessary spending ? (for those of us who believe to use every tax dollar with a bit of wisdom)  

Also speaks to the idea paying attention to what the frame-workers of the Constitution believed having a massive, central military consistently funded against having clear military goals and/or needs.   

edit:  Worth noting, the budget was still high despite the bi-partisan Congressional support for Military Pension cuts that began to be outlined in 2013.    

Patriots all around, indeed.

[Vambo]

@hoorta said:

He's  a great  American  slimeball  who  added another trillion to  the  deficit.  And stole from money allocated to  the  military  to build his pet wall  that a lot of AMERICANS think  is a waste of money.

The Obama administration is acknowledging its transfer of $1.7 billion ... “Sending the world's leading state sponsor of terror pallets of untraceable cash or Tumps wall?

[OldBrownsFan]

@tiamat63 said:

From your article

In other words, the Quadrennial Defense Review says the military can essentially fight two major conflicts at once. It could defeat an invasion of South Korea by the North, for example, and stop Russia from invading Western Europe or Iran from conquering a Persian Gulf state.

This is rather the ideal streamlined and efficient military composition that ideally fluctuates between cost v use, no?      Facts remain, the military budget was still significantly more collectively under Obama than his predecessor when adjusted for inflation.    So this would beg the question, if the U.S. military was as "decimated" as you may claim,  then why such costs to maintain that which we don't have?    May that point out some serious budget bleeds and unnecessary spending ? (for those of us who believe to use every tax dollar with a bit of wisdom)  

Also speaks to the idea paying attention to what the frame-workers of the Constitution believed having a massive, central military consistently funded against having clear military goals and/or needs.   

"In other words, the Quadrennial Defense Review says the military can essentially fight two major conflicts at once. It could defeat an invasion of South Korea by the North, for example, and stop Russia from invading Western Europe or Iran from conquering a Persian Gulf state."

And the main point of the article was that we could not do the above because of lack of funding for the military^^^^^^^

If the goal of our military is to have the ability of fighting two wars at once we were not adequately funding the military to do it.

[tiamat63]

@oldbrownsfan said:

"In other words, the Quadrennial Defense Review says the military can essentially fight two major conflicts at once. It could defeat an invasion of South Korea by the North, for example, and stop Russia from invading Western Europe or Iran from conquering a Persian Gulf state."

And the main point of the article was that we could not do the above because of lack of funding for the military^^^^^^^

If the goal of our military is to have the ability of fighting two wars at once we were not adequately funding the military to do it.

Good, I'm glad I dragged you into that response.  I'm slightly disappointed you glossed over my comment on the frame-workers,  I was hoping you'd fall into that slow play.

The goal of our military, our leaders and our people shouldn't be to fight two wars at all unless absolutely necessary to the defense of this country.  Hence my "streamlined" comment.   See - WWII.    Since that point, when has the USA ever been in a necessary conflict with that many theaters which requires constant preparation?    If the President is so hell-bent on forcing NATO to step up their contributions,  that should immediately lower the need for the US to have such a sole response ready for any Russian aggression sans our Western Coasts. 

If you're saying the military wasn't properly funded under Obama, you might want to take a peek back and see how far those budgets go at lesser levels.     Are you prepared to make the argument than previous Presidents haven't been prepared for that for the better part of 30 years? 

[OldBrownsFan]

@tiamat63 said:

Good, I'm glad I dragged you into that response.  I'm slightly disappointed you glossed over my comment on the frame-workers,  I was hoping you'd fall into that slow play.

The goal of our military, our leaders and our people shouldn't be to fight two wars at all unless absolutely necessary to the defense of this country.  Hence my "streamlined" comment.   See - WWII.    Since that point, when has the USA ever been in a necessary conflict with that many theaters which requires constant preparation?    If the President is so hell-bent on forcing NATO to step up their contributions,  that should immediately lower the need for the US to have such a sole response ready for any Russian aggression sans our Western Coasts. 

If you're saying the military wasn't properly funded under Obama, you might want to take a peek back and see how far those budgets go at lesser levels.     Are you prepared to make the argument than previous Presidents haven't been prepared for that for the better part of 30 years? 

"Good, I'm glad I dragged you into that response.  I'm slightly disappointed you glossed over my comment on the frame-workers,  I was hoping you'd fall into that slow play"

Sorry Tiam I don't play the "gotcha game".

You say our goal should not be the ability to fight two wars at once. Other military experts would disagree with you. 

Putting pressure on NATO alliies to pay their fair share only makes sense to me.

The world is as dangerous as it has ever been all over the world. I personally don't disagree with the United States having the ability to fight more than one war.

If under the Obama administration they were claiming they had the capabilities to fight more than one war at once then the article I posted clearly stated there were valid reasons to believe that claim was not true due to lack of funding.