Bold idea that would change the landscape of sports in Cleveland
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Haha, you're the one frustrated my projecting little friend. You know you are!
Whats next up your sleeve? Let me guess..calling me a racist? LOL
Ooh. now he's trying so hard to bait me into a fight! ?
You're the one who came onto this thread, only to obviously try to settle scores with those you feel bruised your ego on another thread.
So yeah, I feel confident that lil' Gorka is flailing...
Ooh. now he's trying so hard to bait me into a fight! ?
You're already in a fight.
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Sorry. Already taken down near Beaumont/Port Author. There is another unincorporated one in La. where they have a gumbo festival.
Who the fuck gives a shit about a place no one has heard of.
Who the fuck gives a shit about a place no one has heard of.
I do. I also appreciated your comment about Pittsburg being the “City of Bridges” as well. I always knew it as the “Steel City”, and a quick google search confirms that but it also confirms it has an alternate nickname too. Interesting stuff.
I fairly recently learned there was a city in Maine nicknamed the “Queen City.” That of course is Cincy’s nickname too. Bangor, Maine.
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And since you are a troll, that's what you are just dying for, isn't it?
BE STRONG GIPPER! FIGHT THE URGE! ?
I'm sure Gipper can fend for himself without your support so you can take that cheerleader outfit off.
Aren't we supposed to be discussing the issue with the lakefront? Why this incessant urge to start bickering.
Maybe not, but I get that feeling that tearing down both the #1 baseball stadium in the country and First Energy at the same time is fodder for another Cleveland joke. Not terribly old stadiums, modern and kept up to date are they not?
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Who the fuck gives a shit about a place no one has heard of.
I do. I also appreciated your comment about Pittsburg being the “City of Bridges” as well. I always knew it as the “Steel City”, and a quick google search confirms that but it also confirms it has an alternate nickname too. Interesting stuff.
I fairly recently learned there was a city in Maine nicknamed the “Queen City.” That of course is Cincy’s nickname too. Bangor, Maine.
I do. I also appreciated your comment about Pittsburg being the “City of Bridges” as well. I always knew it as the “Steel City”, and a quick google search confirms that but it also confirms it has an alternate nickname too. Interesting stuff.
I fairly recently learned there was a city in Maine nicknamed the “Queen City.” That of course is Cincy’s nickname too. Bangor, Maine.
I didn't know there was a second Queen City.
You're from Cincy right? A transplant or originally from there?
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I do. I also appreciated your comment about Pittsburg being the “City of Bridges” as well. I always knew it as the “Steel City”, and a quick google search confirms that but it also confirms it has an alternate nickname too. Interesting stuff.
I fairly recently learned there was a city in Maine nicknamed the “Queen City.” That of course is Cincy’s nickname too. Bangor, Maine.
I didn't know there was a second Queen City.
You're from Cincy right? A transplant or originally from there?
I didn't know there was a second Queen City.
You're from Cincy right? A transplant or originally from there?
Nor did l! Born and raised here. Browns fandom is a deeply seeded family thing. Back in grandpa’s day there were no Bengals and pretty much all of Ohio were Browns fans. Even within my lifetime nearby Dayton was considered “Browns territory” and would show Browns games on their CBS affiliate. Back in the day l had to stand on one leg with foil wrapped rabbit ears against a window to pick up their games, haha.
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I didn't know there was a second Queen City.
You're from Cincy right? A transplant or originally from there?
Nor did l! Born and raised here. Browns fandom is a deeply seeded family thing. Back in grandpa’s day there were no Bengals and pretty much all of Ohio were Browns fans. Even within my lifetime nearby Dayton was considered “Browns territory” and would show Browns games on their CBS affiliate. Back in the day l had to stand on one leg with foil wrapped rabbit ears against a window to pick up their games, haha.
Nor did l! Born and raised here. Browns fandom is a deeply seeded family thing. Back in grandpa’s day there were no Bengals and pretty much all of Ohio were Browns fans. Even within my lifetime nearby Dayton was considered “Browns territory” and would show Browns games on their CBS affiliate. Back in the day l had to stand on one leg with foil wrapped rabbit ears against a window to pick up their games, haha.
Shucks. Since you are a true Cincinnatian, I don't get to offend you by letting you know that Cincinnati was once known as "Porkopolis" because of all the pigs that lived there, and still do LOL...actually because it was a pork producing center.
https://www.greatamericancountry.com/places/local-life/porkopolis-cincinnatis-pork-producing-past
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Nor did l! Born and raised here. Browns fandom is a deeply seeded family thing. Back in grandpa’s day there were no Bengals and pretty much all of Ohio were Browns fans. Even within my lifetime nearby Dayton was considered “Browns territory” and would show Browns games on their CBS affiliate. Back in the day l had to stand on one leg with foil wrapped rabbit ears against a window to pick up their games, haha.
Shucks. Since you are a true Cincinnatian, I don't get to offend you by letting you know that Cincinnati was once known as "Porkopolis" because of all the pigs that lived there, and still do LOL...actually because it was a pork producing center.
https://www.greatamericancountry.com/places/local-life/porkopolis-cincinnatis-pork-producing-past
Shucks. Since you are a true Cincinnatian, I don't get to offend you by letting you know that Cincinnati was once known as "Porkopolis" because of all the pigs that lived there, and still do LOL...actually because it was a pork producing center.
https://www.greatamericancountry.com/places/local-life/porkopolis-cincinnatis-pork-producing-past
Haha, yeah. I guess that’s Cincy’s secondary nickname. I’ve seen some funky black and white photos of pigs being herded through downtown. A family friend painted one of the flying pigs mentioned in that article.
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Sorry. Already taken down near Beaumont/Port Author. There is another unincorporated one in La. where they have a gumbo festival.
Who the fuck gives a shit about a place no one has heard of.
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The real nickname of the town should be "Bridge City". They are so numerous I can't even put a photo of them on here. Numerous photos would be required.
Already taken. But I'm anticipating you're gonna come back with "Bridge City" different is from "City of Bridges" laced with a little profanity.
We can't even beat Pittspuke in bridges.
Affectionately known as the city of bridges, Pittsburgh boasts 446 bridges – more than any other city in the world, including Venice, Italy.
Already taken. But I'm anticipating you're gonna come back with "Bridge City" different is from "City of Bridges" laced with a little profanity.
We can't even beat Pittspuke in bridges.
Affectionately known as the city of bridges, Pittsburgh boasts 446 bridges – more than any other city in the world, including Venice, Italy.
I suppose they would have a lot of bridges, three rivers and all. but, having been there, overall, their bridges are spread out. Cleveland seems to have bridges on top of bridges. Cleveland's array of bridges is more impressive, if you have ever been down through there. Have you?
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One of THE most impressive things about the Cleveland Lake/Riverfront area are the incredible bridges that you see, be it the one you go over, or under, or just see in the distance. The real nickname of the town should be "Bridge City". They are so numerous I can't even put a photo of them on here. Numerous photos would be required.
Sorry. Already taken down near Beaumont/Port Author. There is another unincorporated one in La. where they have a gumbo festival.
Sorry. Already taken down near Beaumont/Port Author. There is another unincorporated one in La. where they have a gumbo festival.
Port Arthur is a complete shithole. Scariest city in the US I have ever been. The day I was there the only thing moving on the streets in the downtown area were cop cars and military vehicles. Almost NO sign of life, at all. Too bad, I thought it would be much more vibrant, perhaps a bit like Galveston. But not one bit.
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Sorry. Already taken down near Beaumont/Port Author. There is another unincorporated one in La. where they have a gumbo festival.
Port Arthur is a complete shithole. Scariest city in the US I have ever been. The day I was there the only thing moving on the streets in the downtown area were cop cars and military vehicles. Almost NO sign of life, at all. Too bad, I thought it would be much more vibrant, perhaps a bit like Galveston. But not one bit.
Port Arthur is a complete shithole. Scariest city in the US I have ever been. The day I was there the only thing moving on the streets in the downtown area were cop cars and military vehicles. Almost NO sign of life, at all. Too bad, I thought it would be much more vibrant, perhaps a bit like Galveston. But not one bit.
It's always been an oil town. Think Army town and the parallels are similar. Except P.A. produced Janis.
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Port Arthur is a complete shithole. Scariest city in the US I have ever been. The day I was there the only thing moving on the streets in the downtown area were cop cars and military vehicles. Almost NO sign of life, at all. Too bad, I thought it would be much more vibrant, perhaps a bit like Galveston. But not one bit.
It's always been an oil town. Think Army town and the parallels are similar. Except P.A. produced Janis.
It's always been an oil town. Think Army town and the parallels are similar. Except P.A. produced Janis.
I felt more like I was in like Hungary in the 50s when the Russians put down an attempt to liberalize. But, I did go by Janis Joplin's house. A very modest place. A family lives there, and there is just a plaque out front. It also produced Van Eidom. Easy Street drummer.
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It's always been an oil town. Think Army town and the parallels are similar. Except P.A. produced Janis.
I felt more like I was in like Hungary in the 50s when the Russians put down an attempt to liberalize. But, I did go by Janis Joplin's house. A very modest place. A family lives there, and there is just a plaque out front. It also produced Van Eidom. Easy Street drummer.
I felt more like I was in like Hungary in the 50s when the Russians put down an attempt to liberalize. But, I did go by Janis Joplin's house. A very modest place. A family lives there, and there is just a plaque out front. It also produced Van Eidom. Easy Street drummer.
When did you go there, before or after hurricane Harvey in 2017? The whole place went under about 6 ft. of water just like most of Beaumont.
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I felt more like I was in like Hungary in the 50s when the Russians put down an attempt to liberalize. But, I did go by Janis Joplin's house. A very modest place. A family lives there, and there is just a plaque out front. It also produced Van Eidom. Easy Street drummer.
When did you go there, before or after hurricane Harvey in 2017? The whole place went under about 6 ft. of water just like most of Beaumont.
When did you go there, before or after hurricane Harvey in 2017? The whole place went under about 6 ft. of water just like most of Beaumont.
December 2018. What I saw had nothing to do with a hurricane, I don't think.
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No.
Supercross is held in football stadiums with 100% man made tracks. The tracks are much shorter with more laps making up a race. Lap times are around 2 minutes per lap. The tracks have way more jumps and "rhythm/flow", as well as slower overall top end speeds due to the shorter straight a-ways. All seats in the stadium are great ones.
Motocross is held on outdoor tracks that are 70% natural terrain and 30% man made jumps and whoops (whoops = huge section of 4' tall bumps, like moguls in snow skiing). The track is much, much longer with lap times around 6 minutes per lap. The tracks have much longer and rougher straight a-ways that result in much higher top end speeds than what you'll see tonight. Fans are sprawled out all over a 200-300 acre facility.
Supercross is much more fan friendly and is considered a spectacle of the greatest riders on the planet.
Motocross is the gritty Godfather of the sport and generally preferred to Supercross by us guys that have actually done it.... although I love both.
Yes, it's the same guys on the same bikes doing both disciplines, but much like in NASCAR, it's the difference between a 2.5 mile super speedway like Daytona, and a 15 turn road course like Sonoma..... Same drivers, same cars, yet completely and totally different.
Hope this helps, and hope you give it a fair shot in a couple hours!
OK, thanks, but no thanks. I won't give it a fair shot, because it is motorized racing, which I have no interest in , of any type really. When they have space racing from here to the Moon and back, I may pay attention. I don't begrudge you your interest..it is just not mine. I just prefer the human powered/gravity/animal powered racing better.
OK, thanks, but no thanks. I won't give it a fair shot, because it is motorized racing, which I have no interest in , of any type really. When they have space racing from here to the Moon and back, I may pay attention. I don't begrudge you your interest..it is just not mine. I just prefer the human powered/gravity/animal powered racing better.
I've always loved bikes back in 1970 I bought a new Honda 350 Scrambler used to Hill climb, do dirt track, trail ride all of that fun stuff but I don't see it ever being even a minor sport in the USA.
Now Moto is interesting but not much more to me than monster trucks or tractor pulls. Some things just don't translate to the mainstream Americans.
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Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront JUST LIKE CHICAGO? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront LIKE Chicago AND Milwaukee
Your ability to communicate your thoughts is poor.
Here is what Dutch was trying to say folks:
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront
JUST LIKE CHICAGOidentical to Chicago's? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefrontLIKEin such a way that it benefits Cleveland, as did Chicago and Milwaukee for their respective cities.Your ability to communicate your thoughts is poor.
Here is what Dutch was trying to say folks:
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront
JUST LIKE CHICAGOidentical to Chicago's? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefrontLIKEin such a way that it benefits Cleveland, as did Chicago and Milwaukee for their respective cities.Yeah, wanting Cleveland to have a better lakefront, something people have "whined" about for generations, is just crazy.
But the amount of passive aggressiveness you've displayed on this thread is impressive, hoorta. Hats off to you about that!
Too bad I've shot down your arguement about the stadium being a waste of the lakefront. Seems Chicago doesn't have a problem with it.
People whining about it is background noise to the majority of the people living in Northeast Ohio. Completely redoing the lakefront is a pipe dream, the way Cleveland developed. It isn't Chicago, Milwaukee, or any other of those lakefront utopias you dream about. Just dig up $10-20 billion dollars and we can make a good start reconfiguring Cleveland's lakefront.
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Don't be sarcastic. You still didn't answer my question.
FWIW, Chicago's population is 2.7 million . Cleveland's is 385,000- and you think we can somehow compete with skyscraper city Downtown Chicago? Sorry, Severance Hall and University Circle aren't on the Lakefront- but the Rock & Roll HOF is, ditto the Great Lakes Science center. You probably know if you've been to downtown Cleveland lately- all the partying (except on Browns gameday- that's over on the west side around West 9th and the lots) is up at East 4th around Gateway. I don't see any practical way of eliminating the shipping docks, Coast Guard Station, the Marinas and Burke. The Coast Guard is a necessity, and the others are all revenue producers. Sorry it's not culturally up to your standards.
Regarding Dayton- do a little research before you speak about "vibrant". I could come on up to Canal Fulton to take a canal boat ride. Been through there on the bike path.
With a city population of 140,000 Downtown Dayton is booming on a relative level. There's been over a 1\2 billion of development downtown with more coming, and condos are getting sold as fast as developers can build them. https://www.daytondailynews.com/business/economy/see-where-millions-have-been-spent-improve-downtown-dayton/hGhhqD6U2v0w5AoSg0icdL/
Jesus hoorta, did Gipper steal your password and post under your name all day? ? You started by rambling about some imaginary beef I supposedly was having with Tour (still scratching my head on that one), then we'll move on to....
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront JUST LIKE CHICAGO? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefront LIKE Chicago AND Milwaukee (funny how you never mention the other city in my original post), instead of misusing so much of it like it has for pretty much Cleveland's entire history. There's a reason why people have mentioned how poorly Cleveland utilizes its greatest natural benefit, and that for all intents and purposes Cleveland might as well be located in the middle of Kansas due to how little it does with its lakefront.
Put a boardwalk on it, expand the park system on it, build neighborhoods near it, hotels, restaurants, hell a real aquarium is a great idea actually (I've been to the one in Newport across from Cincinnati, and from what people have told me it destroys Cleveland's.) Cleveland can't build apartments fast enough for downtown, I would have to believe people would love to live near the lake, too. The possibilities are endless, and so much of the lakefront is wasted.
And I was going to make a joke about Dayton being the Youngstown of southwestern Ohio, but I couldn't do that to mjp…. ?
(No better illustration of the complete lack of utilization of Cleveland's lakefront than this photo.)
Put a boardwalk on it, expand the park system on it, build neighborhoods near it, hotels, restaurants, hell a real aquarium is a great idea actually (I've been to the one in Newport across from Cincinnati, and from what people have told me it destroys Cleveland's.) Cleveland can't build apartments fast enough for downtown, I would have to believe people would love to live near the lake, too. The possibilities are endless, and so much of the lakefront is wasted.
And I was going to make a joke about Dayton being the Youngstown of southwestern Ohio, but I couldn't do that to mjp…. ?
(No better illustration of the complete lack of utilization of Cleveland's lakefront than this photo.)
Chicago besides being a great city for eating has had a big headstart on Cleveland well after it burned down in 1871 and was rebuilt. Cleveland was more of the industrial city and went through the rust belt era without responding in the correct way, too much wasted time and effort and questionable political leadership.
Pittsburgh believe it or not and one of my favorite places to occasionally visit for example recovered much better and with only the three rivers and not connected to the great lakes. The question with Cleveland now is the perennial one funding and can they pull off additional major renovations to add to what they have done in the past few decades.
.......and Dutch Youngstown was one hell of a place when it was belching out steel smoke and paychecks! They are doing some major work now in the downsized city with updating the downtown, technology and major improvements to YSU since Tressel took over. They are actually getting young people to stay and come to the area a key thing for growth. The other is to attract retirees which is also is happening due to the extremely low cost of living and some retirees moving back North to get away from the "new" south.
The same old topics just in a new era.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
I don't know. Right now Cleveland seems fine to me. It has a mix along its lakeshore and riverfront of Parks/museums/marinas/stadium/industrial sites/railroads/port workings/ condos/restaurants...clubs/and as you go east and west, wealthy homes and apartment along Bratenahl and Lakewood's Gold Coast.
The biggest complaint I see here is about the Airport. Read this:
The airport is owned and operated by the city of Cleveland, which also operates Hopkins. Its total operations have dwindled from 100,321 in 2000 to 34,497 in 2018. The airport is frequently used by professional sports team charter flights due to its proximity to FirstEnergy Stadium, Progressive Field, and Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse.
So, I don't know what I would want to do about that.
But there is something I would advocate for somewhere....that Voinivich park would be a good spot. A 300 foot statue of this guy:
As it stands, the biggest statue of him is in Metropolis, Illinois, all of 15 feet.
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Not sure where this left off, but we need a stadium with a dome
Yes, we're all manly men that can handle the elements. Football should be played in the elements. Etc etc
Stadiums need to make the city money. A dome gives us access to hosting so many more events in Cleveland.
Games in domed stadiums are also generally a better experience. With attendance to live sporting events dropping across the board you want to attract people to there.
Getting Cleveland a domed football stadium is a fantastic idea and I'd vote for that in a second
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Your ability to communicate your thoughts is poor.
Here is what Dutch was trying to say folks:
Did I say that Cleveland needed to have a lakefront
JUST LIKE CHICAGOidentical to Chicago's? I said the city of Cleveland should utilize their lakefrontLIKEin such a way that it benefits Cleveland, as did Chicago and Milwaukee for their respective cities.Yeah, wanting Cleveland to have a better lakefront, something people have "whined" about for generations, is just crazy.
But the amount of passive aggressiveness you've displayed on this thread is impressive, hoorta. Hats off to you about that!
Too bad I've shot down your arguement about the stadium being a waste of the lakefront. Seems Chicago doesn't have a problem with it.
People whining about it is background noise to the majority of the people living in Northeast Ohio. Completely redoing the lakefront is a pipe dream, the way Cleveland developed. It isn't Chicago, Milwaukee, or any other of those lakefront utopias you dream about. Just dig up $10-20 billion dollars and we can make a good start reconfiguring Cleveland's lakefront.
Too bad I've shot down your arguement about the stadium being a waste of the lakefront.
If "shooting down my argument" is completely missing the point, changing what I've said, ignoring other parts that I said, making up things I said, and generally acting like a five year old who isn't getting his way, then yes hoorta, you sure showed me. ?
Now, if I need to know what type of wine to pair with a specific cheese, I'll be sure to ask the manly man who thinks domes are for wimps.
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