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  • @kosar_for_president said:

    No offense, but it looks like the Broncos have a far worse team then the Browns.

    No offense taken. Things are truly terrible in Denver. It's the worst I've seen it and I've been a fan since 1976. Just seeing what other folks are saying.

    I love this board. A lot of people on it.

    Thanks for the replies.

    @fred-garvin said:

    No offense taken. Things are truly terrible in Denver. It's the worst I've seen it and I've been a fan since 1976. Just seeing what other folks are saying.

    I love this board. A lot of people on it.

    Thanks for the replies.

    This is how I feel... as much as we all sit here at our computers and give opinions, the NFL is truly unpredictable. I mean, sure, the Steelers and Pats will be good but can you not say that there is a strong argument against any other team making the playoffs. Heck, the Steelers and Pats can fall off if they fall victim to injury.

    Also, any team can surprise no matter how bad they are perceived to be. Barring a set-back, the Broncos will still have Brandon Marshall. on top of him, Knowshon Moreno could be a great rookie RB. If he has a strong year, Denver could be better than people think.

    Also, as bad as Orton has been, he won't have the same wind conditions as he did in Chicago. He will have a true no. 1 WR to work with. They also have Eddie Royal, Daniel Graham, Tony Scheffler, Lamont Jordan, Peyton Hillis and Cornell Buckhalter on offense.

    On defense, they added Brian Dawkins and Robert Ayers and still have Champ Bailey, DJ Williams, and Andre Goodman (Sorry for Andra Davis, Denver fans. He isn't good... at all)

    I mean, is that the best/most talent in the world? No. However, in the NFL, anything can happen and these guys have either proven they can play in the past, or possess a lot of potential.

    Chances are that Denver isn't very good, but who knows..... weireder things have happened. Like, Derek Anderson losing a battle in camp, regaining his job half-way through the first game and the Browns going 10-5 the rest of the season in games he started.

  • I don't know how to really answer that! My gut tells me that my Browns will run all over Denver, but my brain tells me not to be stupid...this is the Browns we're talking about! I love the Browns, but they always seem to find a way to disappoint us...especially against your Broncos. However, it is hard to imagine those same Broncos winning this year at all with the mess that your "genius" of a head coach has created. It isn't much of a stretch to imagine the Broncos following Detroit's record season last year. But, again, that's all on paper. When the whistle blows, anything can happen!

  • Zombo said:

    We look at you on the schedule and count that as a win for the Browns.

    At least I do.

    Zombo

    Yea, but Zombo, you count every single game the Browns play as a win!

  • @inspecta said:

    How is Baltimore not #2?

    Good point. Unless this guy is a Ratbird fan.

  • I don't know how any Browns fan can count this as an automatic win.... Yeah the Broncos are bad, but the Browns have to prove to me that they aren't as bad as everyone outside of Cleveland thinks they are. I tend to drink the Cleveland Kool-Aid at the beginning of the year, but by the end of the year I spit it out because it tastes like toilet water.... so to speak...

    @azbrowns said:

    I don't know how any Browns fan can count this as an automatic win.... Yeah the Broncos are bad, but the Browns have to prove to me that they aren't as bad as everyone outside of Cleveland thinks they are. I tend to drink the Cleveland Kool-Aid at the beginning of the year, but by the end of the year I spit it out because it tastes like toilet water.... so to speak...

    You don't get that metaphor. After you drink the Kool Aid, you die a horrible death from cyanide poisoning.

    (the metaphor came from the Jonestown incident in Guyana where all the whacky cult followers...like 300+ of them all voluntarily drank poison laced cyanide at the Behest of Jim Jones, their f***ed up leader.

    You don't get to spit it out because it tastes bad. When you drink it, you are fully committed, kind of like the pig was committed to your ham sandwich.

  • @kosar_for_president said:

    No offense, but it looks like the Broncos have a far worse team then the Browns.

    No offense taken. Things are truly terrible in Denver. It's the worst I've seen it and I've been a fan since 1976. Just seeing what other folks are saying.

    I love this board. A lot of people on it.

    Thanks for the replies.

    @fred-garvin said:

    No offense taken. Things are truly terrible in Denver. It's the worst I've seen it and I've been a fan since 1976. Just seeing what other folks are saying.

    I love this board. A lot of people on it.

    Thanks for the replies.

    Sure. By the way, aren't you a male prostitute?

  • @azbrowns said:

    I don't know how any Browns fan can count this as an automatic win.... Yeah the Broncos are bad, but the Browns have to prove to me that they aren't as bad as everyone outside of Cleveland thinks they are. I tend to drink the Cleveland Kool-Aid at the beginning of the year, but by the end of the year I spit it out because it tastes like toilet water.... so to speak...

    You don't get that metaphor. After you drink the Kool Aid, you die a horrible death from cyanide poisoning.

    (the metaphor came from the Jonestown incident in Guyana where all the whacky cult followers...like 300+ of them all voluntarily drank poison laced cyanide at the Behest of Jim Jones, their f***ed up leader.

    You don't get to spit it out because it tastes bad. When you drink it, you are fully committed, kind of like the pig was committed to your ham sandwich.

    @the-gipper said:

    You don't get that metaphor. After you drink the Kool Aid, you die a horrible death from cyanide poisoning.

    (the metaphor came from the Jonestown incident in Guyana where all the whacky cult followers...like 300+ of them all voluntarily drank poison laced cyanide at the Behest of Jim Jones, their f***ed up leader.

    You don't get to spit it out because it tastes bad. When you drink it, you are fully committed, kind of like the pig was committed to your ham sandwich.

    Perhaps I should have stated that, instead of spitting it out, I vomit it all over the bathroom floor...

  • @fred-garvin said:

    No offense taken. Things are truly terrible in Denver. It's the worst I've seen it and I've been a fan since 1976. Just seeing what other folks are saying.

    I love this board. A lot of people on it.

    Thanks for the replies.

    Sure. By the way, aren't you a male prostitute?

    @the-gipper said:

    Sure. By the way, aren't you a male prostitute?

    Ha ha. Absolutely.

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/3514/saturday-ni...male-prostitute

  • @azbrowns said:

    I don't know how any Browns fan can count this as an automatic win.... Yeah the Broncos are bad, but the Browns have to prove to me that they aren't as bad as everyone outside of Cleveland thinks they are. I tend to drink the Cleveland Kool-Aid at the beginning of the year, but by the end of the year I spit it out because it tastes like toilet water.... so to speak...

    You don't get that metaphor. After you drink the Kool Aid, you die a horrible death from cyanide poisoning.

    (the metaphor came from the Jonestown incident in Guyana where all the whacky cult followers...like 300+ of them all voluntarily drank poison laced cyanide at the Behest of Jim Jones, their f***ed up leader.

    You don't get to spit it out because it tastes bad. When you drink it, you are fully committed, kind of like the pig was committed to your ham sandwich.

    @the-gipper said:

    You don't get that metaphor. After you drink the Kool Aid, you die a horrible death from cyanide poisoning.

    (the metaphor came from the Jonestown incident in Guyana where all the whacky cult followers...like 300+ of them all voluntarily drank poison laced cyanide at the Behest of Jim Jones, their f***ed up leader.

    You don't get to spit it out because it tastes bad. When you drink it, you are fully committed, kind of like the pig was committed to your ham sandwich.

    I think they were right......about everything.

    True genius

  • @solon16 said:

    If Andra Davis is starting at LB...we are going to run you over...lol... I think Broncos could be picking first next year...."if" the head coach has already lost the team...jmo

    I believe the Broncos traded their #1 to the Seahawks in order to draft Alphonso Smith. It could have been the Bears' #1 from the Cutler trade, but I haven't seen it reported that way.

    Aloysius said:

    I believe the Broncos traded their #1 to the Seahawks in order to draft Alphonso Smith. It could have been the Bears' #1 from the Cutler trade, but I haven't seen it reported that way.

    they traded the bears pick....

  • Aloysius said:

    I believe the Broncos traded their #1 to the Seahawks in order to draft Alphonso Smith. It could have been the Bears' #1 from the Cutler trade, but I haven't seen it reported that way.

    they traded the bears pick....

    @solon16 said:

    they traded the bears pick....

    From nfl.com:

    NFL Network analysts Charley Casserly, Mike Mayock and Michael Lombardi are in agreement on this trade: Smith is not worth next year's first round pick. They think the price is too high for a cornerback who is only 5-foot-9 with questionable speed. "It’s a little dangerous to trade away next year’s one," Lombardi said. "You’re taking a chance, especially on a corner, and a small corner at that. That bothers me." The Seahawks will receive the Broncos' natural pick in 2010 and not the one acquired from the Bears for Cutler.
  • @kosar_for_president said:

    No offense, but it looks like the Broncos have a far worse team then the Browns.

    No offense taken. Things are truly terrible in Denver. It's the worst I've seen it and I've been a fan since 1976. Just seeing what other folks are saying.

    I love this board. A lot of people on it.

    Thanks for the replies.

    @fred-garvin said:

    No offense taken. Things are truly terrible in Denver. It's the worst I've seen it and I've been a fan since 1976. Just seeing what other folks are saying.

    I love this board. A lot of people on it.

    Thanks for the replies.

    Dude I lived out there for 8 years, during the Broncos glory years. I know how much the city loves their Broncos. I bet there are a lot of disappointed people out there. This has to be one of the worst teams I can remember or have seen for that matter.

  • @inspecta said:

    How is Baltimore not #2?

    Good point. Unless this guy is a Ratbird fan.

    @the-gipper said:

    Good point. Unless this guy is a Ratbird fan.

    Well, no offense taken guys, but I've always hated Pittsburgh & Cincy since I became a fan in 1970, and the Houston Oilers as well. The move to Baltimore pissed me off, but I've made a choice to just ignore that stupid decision by the NFL. When the Ratbirds come to town, I don't go, simply won't allow the NFL to make any $$ off of me from that bull#$#@ move.

    I don't blame the fans of Baltimore, they got screwed like we did, and they wanted a team in the worst way when they lost theirs. I blame the NFL...the NFL should have never expanded into Jacksonville, Baltimore should have got the team. So Modell the whore pounced on that situation. Then the NFL does the ultimate bitch-slap to Browns fans, and puts the Ratbirds in our division, to create some kind of artificial rivalry....the Ratbirds should play in the AFC East, or the NFL Cartpetbagger Division with Indy, Tennessee, & St. Louis.

    Everybody's got a right to an opinion, so simply, as a Browns fan, Pitt, Cincy, & Denver are my most hated.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Good point. Unless this guy is a Ratbird fan.

    Well, no offense taken guys, but I've always hated Pittsburgh & Cincy since I became a fan in 1970, and the Houston Oilers as well. The move to Baltimore pissed me off, but I've made a choice to just ignore that stupid decision by the NFL. When the Ratbirds come to town, I don't go, simply won't allow the NFL to make any $$ off of me from that bull#$#@ move.

    I don't blame the fans of Baltimore, they got screwed like we did, and they wanted a team in the worst way when they lost theirs. I blame the NFL...the NFL should have never expanded into Jacksonville, Baltimore should have got the team. So Modell the whore pounced on that situation. Then the NFL does the ultimate bitch-slap to Browns fans, and puts the Ratbirds in our division, to create some kind of artificial rivalry....the Ratbirds should play in the AFC East, or the NFL Cartpetbagger Division with Indy, Tennessee, & St. Louis.

    Everybody's got a right to an opinion, so simply, as a Browns fan, Pitt, Cincy, & Denver are my most hated.

    @bob806 said:

    Well, no offense taken guys, but I've always hated Pittsburgh & Cincy since I became a fan in 1970, and the Houston Oilers as well. The move to Baltimore pissed me off, but I've made a choice to just ignore that stupid decision by the NFL. When the Ratbirds come to town, I don't go, simply won't allow the NFL to make any $$ off of me from that bull#$#@ move.

    I don't blame the fans of Baltimore, they got screwed like we did, and they wanted a team in the worst way when they lost theirs. I blame the NFL...the NFL should have never expanded into Jacksonville, Baltimore should have got the team. So Modell the whore pounced on that situation. Then the NFL does the ultimate bitch-slap to Browns fans, and puts the Ratbirds in our division, to create some kind of artificial rivalry....the Ratbirds should play in the AFC East, or the NFL Cartpetbagger Division with Indy, Tennessee, & St. Louis.

    Everybody's got a right to an opinion, so simply, as a Browns fan, Pitt, Cincy, & Denver are my most hated.

    It's a real rivalry. Didn't we used to play the baltimore colts back in the 1960s?

  • forget McDaniels...is the team behind your OC and DC?

    if so, considering we play early in the season and both sides of the ball should be fully stocked with players and without injuries, i fully expect a war.

    plus, that altitude is ALWAYS an advantage for your team cardio-wise. it's impossible for a team to acclimate to it fully even if they showed up 7 days early. maybe in a few weeks or a month, but not a week. it's always a factor, huge home field advantage.

    kinda like Cutler's arm will be in Chicago. (just a little salt for your wound there)

    Gipper, what the hell is in your diet? i can't remember shit half the time and you're pulling out character names from a one-time skit in the 70's like it's nothing! for fun, who was your third grade teacher (back then we just had one for everything right?--i can't remember).

  • forget McDaniels...is the team behind your OC and DC?

    if so, considering we play early in the season and both sides of the ball should be fully stocked with players and without injuries, i fully expect a war.

    plus, that altitude is ALWAYS an advantage for your team cardio-wise. it's impossible for a team to acclimate to it fully even if they showed up 7 days early. maybe in a few weeks or a month, but not a week. it's always a factor, huge home field advantage.

    kinda like Cutler's arm will be in Chicago. (just a little salt for your wound there)

    Gipper, what the hell is in your diet? i can't remember shit half the time and you're pulling out character names from a one-time skit in the 70's like it's nothing! for fun, who was your third grade teacher (back then we just had one for everything right?--i can't remember).

    @sisky-fringo said:

    forget McDaniels...is the team behind your OC and DC?

    if so, considering we play early in the season and both sides of the ball should be fully stocked with players and without injuries, i fully expect a war.

    plus, that altitude is ALWAYS an advantage for your team cardio-wise. it's impossible for a team to acclimate to it fully even if they showed up 7 days early. maybe in a few weeks or a month, but not a week. it's always a factor, huge home field advantage.

    kinda like Cutler's arm will be in Chicago. (just a little salt for your wound there)

    Gipper, what the hell is in your diet? i can't remember shit half the time and you're pulling out character names from a one-time skit in the 70's like it's nothing! for fun, who was your third grade teacher (back then we just had one for everything right?--i can't remember).

    Mrs. King was my third grade teacher, she stood about 4'10 ...and was the last teacher to whack my ass! Why? Because I made a mistake and tore the wrong page out of a notebook! The principal...whose name was Caesar by the way....talk about an authority figure...wasn't really too happy with her for whacking a kid for such a nefarious reason. (OK guys, this was like 1961)

    By the way, my 4th grade teacher..Mrs. Croft is now a client of mine. She is still alive and like 92 years old, and I talked to her daughter just a few days ago and she took Mrs. Croft up to northern Wisconsin a few weeks ago where she went out riding around on a 4 wheeler ATV at 92!

    (on the SNL thing, the Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute bit is a classic Dan Aykroyd SNL skit, so it is not hard to remember it.)