Calfox's annual first pre-combine stupid mock draft
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@ 10 seconds
- 3 step drop - immediate double team
The kid is a force, it's that simple.
But to essentially call what you see here pattycake is absurd. He didn't have to register a sack to make a difference. He drew numbers that allowed a great deal of 1 on 1 blocking for the rest of the line. They just weren't ready to capitalize on it being that, well, they're not all #2 overall picks. Young was routinely doubled and on rare occasion, got a late eyed triple team thrown his way combined with forcing the Badgers to go away from what they love - play action, deeper drops and forcing the ball vertically setup by their running game.
That is the respect paid when you are that great of a player.
To cap this off, I still rather agree with you. I think the Skins' might be better off going with a trade down or addressing their incredibly porous Oline. The defense is solid enough, they need some offensive firepower to backup their young QB and WR combo.
Thanks Tia! I agree teams had to game plan for him and he is a force. No argument. You did a really good job explaining your pov and backing it with video here so I'll forgive that picture you shared...
Where I will argue is how great I see him being in at the next level, which takes us back to the context of my post before you replied to. He's great at this level but I'll stop shy of putting up at the #2 overall even if he's great at the Underwear Olympics this week. For example, in the 1st 2 minutes of your video, Wisconsin wasn't afraid to run at him or his side of the field at all. And when they did so they did it with success without needing double teams. Ohio State lined him up on both sides of the formation, so yes there was a WB/FB lined up to help with pass pro when he took an outside charge on the RT in the play you mentioned at 10 sec.
I'm not nearly as confident as you are that he will be the same type of force Nick Bosa is against the run at the next level to justify the #2 overall slot/talent. I think his pass rush skills make him deserving of an elite round 1 spot but not up as high as #2 IMO. That said, he's going to have to get used to getting chipped and seeing those 3 step drop quickie passes that keep some QBs hassle-free at the next level. The question I have is how well does he defend the run especially when it comes right at him. We shall see...
Thanks Tia! I agree teams had to game plan for him and he is a force. No argument. You did a really good job explaining your pov and backing it with video here so I'll forgive that picture you shared...
Where I will argue is how great I see him being in at the next level, which takes us back to the context of my post before you replied to. He's great at this level but I'll stop shy of putting up at the #2 overall even if he's great at the Underwear Olympics this week. For example, in the 1st 2 minutes of your video, Wisconsin wasn't afraid to run at him or his side of the field at all. And when they did so they did it with success without needing double teams. Ohio State lined him up on both sides of the formation, so yes there was a WB/FB lined up to help with pass pro when he took an outside charge on the RT in the play you mentioned at 10 sec.
I'm not nearly as confident as you are that he will be the same type of force Nick Bosa is against the run at the next level to justify the #2 overall slot/talent. I think his pass rush skills make him deserving of an elite round 1 spot but not up as high as #2 IMO. That said, he's going to have to get used to getting chipped and seeing those 3 step drop quickie passes that keep some QBs hassle-free at the next level. The question I have is how well does he defend the run especially when it comes right at him. We shall see...
I don't necessarily disagree with his defense of the run vs someone like Nick. Baby Bosa was/is great, much like Joey. Not so much because they're the "elite" athletes, but more to do with their technical prowess, strength, hand/feet/eye sync and shear motor. Both of them don't have the first step and length of Chase and they never will. So to that end you are correct. But they hold up better against the run for their own very distinct reasons that Chase doesn't necessarily have or has developed at this point.
As for Wisconsin running at him.... sure. They went his way on a few split zones and flashed a TE at him as well. Mostly because he's the weakside edge in an over front. He's on the field to be your primary pass rusher and the very nature of such a system and his alignment is designed to take advantage of speed. Speed to have the 3tech at strength, speed to shut down perimeter runs to that side, and speed off the backside edge that will frustrate pass pro and generally calls for additional attention. But open side runs do work when your backers don't fill and run force as consistently as they should. As a result, Chase can be put in some questionable spots or worse, he can put himself in a questionable spot by getting upfield too fast. It would do him well to work on keeping blockers at length, then stacking to shed. Which he did a few times, but not enough that I nor you would consider dominant in that aspect.
It's an admitted part of his game he needs to work on and coaches will make sure he does just that at the NFL. But he'll be drafted so high for one reason only - he's a screamer off the edge and those will always be at a premium in the NFL.
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Thanks Tia! I agree teams had to game plan for him and he is a force. No argument. You did a really good job explaining your pov and backing it with video here so I'll forgive that picture you shared...
Where I will argue is how great I see him being in at the next level, which takes us back to the context of my post before you replied to. He's great at this level but I'll stop shy of putting up at the #2 overall even if he's great at the Underwear Olympics this week. For example, in the 1st 2 minutes of your video, Wisconsin wasn't afraid to run at him or his side of the field at all. And when they did so they did it with success without needing double teams. Ohio State lined him up on both sides of the formation, so yes there was a WB/FB lined up to help with pass pro when he took an outside charge on the RT in the play you mentioned at 10 sec.
I'm not nearly as confident as you are that he will be the same type of force Nick Bosa is against the run at the next level to justify the #2 overall slot/talent. I think his pass rush skills make him deserving of an elite round 1 spot but not up as high as #2 IMO. That said, he's going to have to get used to getting chipped and seeing those 3 step drop quickie passes that keep some QBs hassle-free at the next level. The question I have is how well does he defend the run especially when it comes right at him. We shall see...
I don't necessarily disagree with his defense of the run vs someone like Nick. Baby Bosa was/is great, much like Joey. Not so much because they're the "elite" athletes, but more to do with their technical prowess, strength, hand/feet/eye sync and shear motor. Both of them don't have the first step and length of Chase and they never will. So to that end you are correct. But they hold up better against the run for their own very distinct reasons that Chase doesn't necessarily have or has developed at this point.
As for Wisconsin running at him.... sure. They went his way on a few split zones and flashed a TE at him as well. Mostly because he's the weakside edge in an over front. He's on the field to be your primary pass rusher and the very nature of such a system and his alignment is designed to take advantage of speed. Speed to have the 3tech at strength, speed to shut down perimeter runs to that side, and speed off the backside edge that will frustrate pass pro and generally calls for additional attention. But open side runs do work when your backers don't fill and run force as consistently as they should. As a result, Chase can be put in some questionable spots or worse, he can put himself in a questionable spot by getting upfield too fast. It would do him well to work on keeping blockers at length, then stacking to shed. Which he did a few times, but not enough that I nor you would consider dominant in that aspect.
It's an admitted part of his game he needs to work on and coaches will make sure he does just that at the NFL. But he'll be drafted so high for one reason only - he's a screamer off the edge and those will always be at a premium in the NFL.
It's an admitted part of his game he needs to work on and coaches will make sure he does just that at the NFL. But he'll be drafted so high for one reason only - he's a screamer off the edge and those will always be at a premium in the NFL.
How does Chase Young compare to Myles Garrett when he was entering the draft?
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Chase Young was singled up for half a season and teams paid dearly. In that time he was singled up most of those teams made a conscious effort to do three step drop ball out. The second half he was doubled and tripled...pockets were rolling away...again ball out quickly. Teams got an idea for a second to double him and run right at him, which he either made the play or stood the tackle up and the back is going East and west right away. Your best containment against him was a 3 and 10 type give up draw where he gets caught getting up field on a pass rush to get the QB.
Having religiously watched OSU for the past 20-25 years we haven’t had a defender demand that kind of respect EVER. Not Joey...Not Nick...maybe Big Daddy Wilkinson a little in the 90s.
Chase Young should be the first overall pick. The Bengals will probably go QB if they stay and I can’t fault them. But the Redskins are outta of their dang minds if they take one of these “good” tackle prospects ahead of Young.
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It's an admitted part of his game he needs to work on and coaches will make sure he does just that at the NFL. But he'll be drafted so high for one reason only - he's a screamer off the edge and those will always be at a premium in the NFL.
How does Chase Young compare to Myles Garrett when he was entering the draft?
How does Chase Young compare to Myles Garrett when he was entering the draft?
IMHO - physical dimensions won't be far off. Though I think that Chase's first step might be just a hair faster. Which should show up on the 10 & 20 yard split. And I think he has a stronger inside rip. But Myles seems to dip and bend around the edge just a notch better. He's a large guy that is naturally great at minimizing the contact area for tackles to land a punch like few human beings on Earth. Chase isn't quite to that level but that isn't to say he's poor at turning the corner either. We're talking about subtle differences at very high levels.
Both can get upfield too fast and take themselves out of a play. Myles did a better job the 1st half of this season playing with more discipline. I trust Chase will have it coached into him as well.
I mean, if it wasn't for Burrow - Chase would be going #1 overall. So there's that to consider as well.
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How does Chase Young compare to Myles Garrett when he was entering the draft?
IMHO - physical dimensions won't be far off. Though I think that Chase's first step might be just a hair faster. Which should show up on the 10 & 20 yard split. And I think he has a stronger inside rip. But Myles seems to dip and bend around the edge just a notch better. He's a large guy that is naturally great at minimizing the contact area for tackles to land a punch like few human beings on Earth. Chase isn't quite to that level but that isn't to say he's poor at turning the corner either. We're talking about subtle differences at very high levels.
Both can get upfield too fast and take themselves out of a play. Myles did a better job the 1st half of this season playing with more discipline. I trust Chase will have it coached into him as well.
I mean, if it wasn't for Burrow - Chase would be going #1 overall. So there's that to consider as well.
I mean, if it wasn't for Burrow - Chase would be going #1 overall. So there's that to consider as well.
Agree.?
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How does Chase Young compare to Myles Garrett when he was entering the draft?
IMHO - physical dimensions won't be far off. Though I think that Chase's first step might be just a hair faster. Which should show up on the 10 & 20 yard split. And I think he has a stronger inside rip. But Myles seems to dip and bend around the edge just a notch better. He's a large guy that is naturally great at minimizing the contact area for tackles to land a punch like few human beings on Earth. Chase isn't quite to that level but that isn't to say he's poor at turning the corner either. We're talking about subtle differences at very high levels.
Both can get upfield too fast and take themselves out of a play. Myles did a better job the 1st half of this season playing with more discipline. I trust Chase will have it coached into him as well.
I mean, if it wasn't for Burrow - Chase would be going #1 overall. So there's that to consider as well.
IMHO - physical dimensions won't be far off. Though I think that Chase's first step might be just a hair faster. Which should show up on the 10 & 20 yard split. And I think he has a stronger inside rip. But Myles seems to dip and bend around the edge just a notch better. He's a large guy that is naturally great at minimizing the contact area for tackles to land a punch like few human beings on Earth. Chase isn't quite to that level but that isn't to say he's poor at turning the corner either. We're talking about subtle differences at very high levels.
Both can get upfield too fast and take themselves out of a play. Myles did a better job the 1st half of this season playing with more discipline. I trust Chase will have it coached into him as well.
Pretty much the same take here...
I think the biggest difference is Chase coverts speed to power better. Plus he has more "hand skills"... is a better technician than Myles was going into the draft.
Myles' bend was and is superior. Coming out of TAMU he was essentially a one-trick pony... but what a trick...
Burst? Very hard call to make... I'll wait for the Combine.
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IMHO - physical dimensions won't be far off. Though I think that Chase's first step might be just a hair faster. Which should show up on the 10 & 20 yard split. And I think he has a stronger inside rip. But Myles seems to dip and bend around the edge just a notch better. He's a large guy that is naturally great at minimizing the contact area for tackles to land a punch like few human beings on Earth. Chase isn't quite to that level but that isn't to say he's poor at turning the corner either. We're talking about subtle differences at very high levels.
Both can get upfield too fast and take themselves out of a play. Myles did a better job the 1st half of this season playing with more discipline. I trust Chase will have it coached into him as well.
Pretty much the same take here...
I think the biggest difference is Chase coverts speed to power better. Plus he has more "hand skills"... is a better technician than Myles was going into the draft.
Myles' bend was and is superior. Coming out of TAMU he was essentially a one-trick pony... but what a trick...
Burst? Very hard call to make... I'll wait for the Combine.
Pretty much the same take here...
I think the biggest difference is Chase coverts speed to power better. Plus he has more "hand skills"... is a better technician than Myles was going into the draft.
Myles' bend was and is superior. Coming out of TAMU he was essentially a one-trick pony... but what a trick...
Burst? Very hard call to make... I'll wait for the Combine.
Huge credit to Larry Johnson. That man is a legend of a D-line coach. The amount of names he has put into the league..... lordy.
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How does Chase Young compare to Myles Garrett when he was entering the draft?
IMHO - physical dimensions won't be far off. Though I think that Chase's first step might be just a hair faster. Which should show up on the 10 & 20 yard split. And I think he has a stronger inside rip. But Myles seems to dip and bend around the edge just a notch better. He's a large guy that is naturally great at minimizing the contact area for tackles to land a punch like few human beings on Earth. Chase isn't quite to that level but that isn't to say he's poor at turning the corner either. We're talking about subtle differences at very high levels.
Both can get upfield too fast and take themselves out of a play. Myles did a better job the 1st half of this season playing with more discipline. I trust Chase will have it coached into him as well.
I mean, if it wasn't for Burrow - Chase would be going #1 overall. So there's that to consider as well.
IMHO - physical dimensions won't be far off. Though I think that Chase's first step might be just a hair faster. Which should show up on the 10 & 20 yard split. And I think he has a stronger inside rip. But Myles seems to dip and bend around the edge just a notch better. He's a large guy that is naturally great at minimizing the contact area for tackles to land a punch like few human beings on Earth. Chase isn't quite to that level but that isn't to say he's poor at turning the corner either. We're talking about subtle differences at very high levels.
Both can get upfield too fast and take themselves out of a play. Myles did a better job the 1st half of this season playing with more discipline. I trust Chase will have it coached into him as well.
I mean, if it wasn't for Burrow - Chase would be going #1 overall. So there's that to consider as well.
In other words, your buddy Flugel put his foot in his mouth again - which would have been fine if it didn't have a brand new Nike sneaker on it.
Having said that, I'd like to thank Tony Grossi for reminding me there's always someone ready and willing to be dumber.
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IMHO - physical dimensions won't be far off. Though I think that Chase's first step might be just a hair faster. Which should show up on the 10 & 20 yard split. And I think he has a stronger inside rip. But Myles seems to dip and bend around the edge just a notch better. He's a large guy that is naturally great at minimizing the contact area for tackles to land a punch like few human beings on Earth. Chase isn't quite to that level but that isn't to say he's poor at turning the corner either. We're talking about subtle differences at very high levels.
Both can get upfield too fast and take themselves out of a play. Myles did a better job the 1st half of this season playing with more discipline. I trust Chase will have it coached into him as well.
I mean, if it wasn't for Burrow - Chase would be going #1 overall. So there's that to consider as well.
In other words, your buddy Flugel put his foot in his mouth again - which would have been fine if it didn't have a brand new Nike sneaker on it.
Having said that, I'd like to thank Tony Grossi for reminding me there's always someone ready and willing to be dumber.
In other words, your buddy Flugel put his foot in his mouth again - which would have been fine if it didn't have a brand new Nike sneaker on it.
Having said that, I'd like to thank Tony Grossi for reminding me there's always someone ready and willing to be dumber.
Given the bulk of where Nike is manufactured, might be best to go get tested homie.
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In other words, your buddy Flugel put his foot in his mouth again - which would have been fine if it didn't have a brand new Nike sneaker on it.
Having said that, I'd like to thank Tony Grossi for reminding me there's always someone ready and willing to be dumber.
Given the bulk of where Nike is manufactured, might be best to go get tested homie.
Given the bulk of where Nike is manufactured, might be best to go get tested homie.
They make those in San Fran? (not that there's anything wrong with that).?
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They make those in San Fran? (not that there's anything wrong with that).?
Wuhan, China. Home of the Mexicanbeervirus.
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They make those in San Fran? (not that there's anything wrong with that).?
Yeah but they have a Chinatown. Close enough for my comfort.
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They make those in San Fran? (not that there's anything wrong with that).?
Yeah but they have a Chinatown. Close enough for my comfort.
Yeah but they have a Chinatown. Close enough for my comfort.
Cleveland has a Chinatown too. Though actually they call it Asia Town, as, I assume it takes in others besides Chinese: Vietnamese, Philipinos etc.
East of downtown along St. Clair.
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Cleveland has a Chinatown too. Though actually they call it Asia Town, as, I assume it takes in others besides Chinese: Vietnamese, Philipinos etc.
East of downtown along St. Clair.
You make me so unfunny at times.
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Cleveland has a Chinatown too. Though actually they call it Asia Town, as, I assume it takes in others besides Chinese: Vietnamese, Philipinos etc.
East of downtown along St. Clair.
You make me so unfunny at times.
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about Marcus Norman - he is a sleeper, for sure. S. Florida - overlooked.
https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2019/09/marcus-norman/
https://gousfbulls.com/sports/football/roster/marcus-norman/11762
but I would love to see him succeed in the NFL - just an instinct on my part.
I listen to Joe Thomas talking about being an offensive lineman... and I think I'd look for an OT with
the heart, character, smarts, and intensity that Joe Thomas has. In my mock, I drafted Marcus real high - 3rd round....but it is more for the intangibles that I did. Without the intangibles, he's more of a 6th/7th rounder...even UDFA.
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