Bold idea that would change the landscape of sports in Cleveland
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Jacksonville Stadium project:
Could be a model for Cleveland. Remember the area in the Flats I referenced, just west of Fleet st. along Washington Parkway......take an old industrial site along a river, clean it up, build a stadium/shopping/hotel/condo complex like this one in JAX.
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Dallas. Tons of surrounding parking (for both stadiums)....tons of hotel/restaurants/commercial surrounding it.
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Before and after pictures of Patriots stadium area:
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New LA stadium development plans:
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Levi Stadium Development area: 49ers:
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Development under construction around MetLife stadium NY/NH
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Development under construction around MetLife stadium NY/NH
Development under construction around MetLife stadium NY/NH
Good pics, puts things in perspective.
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Oh, Gipper...
You're the only one here who thinks any of your arguments are reasonable.
Surprised you even saw that comment.
Who among us here has won court cases with reasonable arguments? If you take off your bridal veil of prejudice, You clearly would see that my arguments are perfectly reasonable on this matter, because, in reality, from my experience, the best argument is that in which the full force of the facts are on your side. And the full force of the facts ARE on my side on this: Many of the NFL owners are going full guns on the mega-development model for their stadiums...they are going fully into wanting largely private/public partnership funded facilities that can put them into the category as "project developers" as it does "NFL team owners". And, as I said, where they have not done that, those owners were still far more willing to slurp from the public money trough than their brethren who had more foresight into the future.
Surprised you even saw that comment.
Who among us here has won court cases with reasonable arguments? If you take off your bridal veil of prejudice, You clearly would see that my arguments are perfectly reasonable on this matter, because, in reality, from my experience, the best argument is that in which the full force of the facts are on your side. And the full force of the facts ARE on my side on this: Many of the NFL owners are going full guns on the mega-development model for their stadiums...they are going fully into wanting largely private/public partnership funded facilities that can put them into the category as "project developers" as it does "NFL team owners". And, as I said, where they have not done that, those owners were still far more willing to slurp from the public money trough than their brethren who had more foresight into the future.
I rest my case.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Dallas. Tons of surrounding parking (for both stadiums)....tons of hotel/restaurants/commercial surrounding it.
Dallas. Tons of surrounding parking (for both stadiums)....tons of hotel/restaurants/commercial surrounding it.
You're missing a stadium.
Rangers are building a new, retractable roof home, Globe Life Field.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Surprised you even saw that comment.
Who among us here has won court cases with reasonable arguments? If you take off your bridal veil of prejudice, You clearly would see that my arguments are perfectly reasonable on this matter, because, in reality, from my experience, the best argument is that in which the full force of the facts are on your side. And the full force of the facts ARE on my side on this: Many of the NFL owners are going full guns on the mega-development model for their stadiums...they are going fully into wanting largely private/public partnership funded facilities that can put them into the category as "project developers" as it does "NFL team owners". And, as I said, where they have not done that, those owners were still far more willing to slurp from the public money trough than their brethren who had more foresight into the future.
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
And you lose your case, because: A. You didn't present any sort of a case to begin with. Snarky drive-by remarks do not a case make. B. You made no argument on either side of this stadium issue thing. You clearly have nothing to contribute. You certainly provided nothing to the discussion that Dutch and I were having. You have to score points to win. When your point score is exactly -0-....you can't win a thing. C. Your best option is to simply declare that you are bankrupt with no assets at your disposal.
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Dallas. Tons of surrounding parking (for both stadiums)....tons of hotel/restaurants/commercial surrounding it.
You're missing a stadium.
Rangers are building a new, retractable roof home, Globe Life Field.
You're missing a stadium.
Rangers are building a new, retractable roof home, Globe Life Field.
What is that in the upper right hand corner, labeled "Globe Life Park in Arlington"? Is that the "old" stadium (that isn't very old)? This was the best aerial view I could find that encompassed the entire area. If you have a more recent depiction of what is going on there, by all means, show us.
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Oh, Gipper...
You're the only one here who thinks any of your arguments are reasonable.
Surprised you even saw that comment.
Who among us here has won court cases with reasonable arguments? If you take off your bridal veil of prejudice, You clearly would see that my arguments are perfectly reasonable on this matter, because, in reality, from my experience, the best argument is that in which the full force of the facts are on your side. And the full force of the facts ARE on my side on this: Many of the NFL owners are going full guns on the mega-development model for their stadiums...they are going fully into wanting largely private/public partnership funded facilities that can put them into the category as "project developers" as it does "NFL team owners". And, as I said, where they have not done that, those owners were still far more willing to slurp from the public money trough than their brethren who had more foresight into the future.
Surprised you even saw that comment.
Who among us here has won court cases with reasonable arguments? If you take off your bridal veil of prejudice, You clearly would see that my arguments are perfectly reasonable on this matter, because, in reality, from my experience, the best argument is that in which the full force of the facts are on your side. And the full force of the facts ARE on my side on this: Many of the NFL owners are going full guns on the mega-development model for their stadiums...they are going fully into wanting largely private/public partnership funded facilities that can put them into the category as "project developers" as it does "NFL team owners". And, as I said, where they have not done that, those owners were still far more willing to slurp from the public money trough than their brethren who had more foresight into the future.
You: NFL teams demand 300 acres outside the city limits so they can build megaplexes
Me: Here's a list of NFL teams that have recently built stadiums in their respective downtowns, or just outside their respective downtowns, with nowhere near that much land.
You: THOSE TEAMS DON'T COUNT!
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I would love to see the plans for the OTHER ideas they had for the stadium, because the rumor was that the one they picked was basically the most generic one.
In part true. We'll use a cookie cutter plan because the architectural guys already had something similar, and it cuts down on costs. BUT, the plan also was to keep the "feel" of the old stadium as much as possible, resulting in my major gripe about the place. The inadequate room behind the stands relative to any "modern" stadium. If you've ever been to Ford Field, Lucas Oil, or Paul Brown you know what I'm talking about.
If you couldn't figure out that was sarcasm, I honestly feel bad for you.
Jesus Christ, I would have paid money to see you in court. That had to be hilarious.
Sorry Dutch your sarcasm comes through very poorly the majority of the time. Gipper isn't the only one who doesn't see it.
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Ooh pictures!
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I rest my case.
And you lose your case, because: A. You didn't present any sort of a case to begin with. Snarky drive-by remarks do not a case make. B. You made no argument on either side of this stadium issue thing. You clearly have nothing to contribute. You certainly provided nothing to the discussion that Dutch and I were having. You have to score points to win. When your point score is exactly -0-....you can't win a thing. C. Your best option is to simply declare that you are bankrupt with no assets at your disposal.
And you lose your case, because: A. You didn't present any sort of a case to begin with. Snarky drive-by remarks do not a case make. B. You made no argument on either side of this stadium issue thing. You clearly have nothing to contribute. You certainly provided nothing to the discussion that Dutch and I were having. You have to score points to win. When your point score is exactly -0-....you can't win a thing. C. Your best option is to simply declare that you are bankrupt with no assets at your disposal.
Sorry... no directed verdicts in this court. Shall we let the BrownsBoard jury decide?
A&B... Been there... done that, Gip. Waste of time. Took you off "Ignore" as I think now I can limit when and how much I engage.
What is that in the upper right hand corner, labeled "Globe Life Park in Arlington"? Is that the "old" stadium (that isn't very old)? This was the best aerial view I could find that encompassed the entire area. If you have a more recent depiction of what is going on there, by all means, show us.
Yes... built in '94. Beautiful stadium... I've seen a couple games there. When wind blows ground level openings funnel air low into the stadium and lower seats are comfortable even on a hot, Irving afternoon. Problem is if there's no wind, then you roast. So here comes the roofed newbie.
No...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Minnesota Vikings
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Indianapolis Colts
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Atlanta Falcons
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Can we all agree that the Atlanta Falcons built one hideous stadium? ?
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