The 'Who you watching?' 2020 thread.

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

On the bright side.... still early, but I'm warming to Andrew Thomas some... and the OG that plays next to him, Kindley, is looking promising to boot.

FYI... DraftScout has Wirfs as their #1 OG.

At least they see the same issues with his feet holding up on the edge.

I question the merit in having an OT who isn't a bulldozer as your #1 OG prospect. Is Wirfs so much better in pass pro on the interior than other prospects that they would rank him so high when being kicked inside? I'm just not so sure about that one and would have to disagree from a value to draft position ratio. We'll see how things shake out in April though.

I still don't see any new cutups of Bravvion Roy. So I'm probably going to have to watch full games and do the time stamp thing. I'm cool with that - it's just a tedious pain in the ass.

tiamat63

Well I found a cutup of James Lynch, DE, Baylor. Has Roy in a lot of the snaps, so that saves a bunch of time.

Lord Jesus... at 1:46. He was even getting contact from the lineman trying to seal the playside End. Still bulls his way through and into the backfield. He not only gets there, but the dude finishes. Eyes up, see the ball carrier. I love it.

At 2:48 is probably my favorite of this clip: Especially considering that, with the motion, Kstate has won the leverage game on the QB wrap. This should be a big gain. The weakside end is closed and takes himself so far upfield, that he has taken himself out of the play. Given the pull, the QB was to follow his lead through the A gap, but I can't blame him with all the green grass he saw to his right. Had that been the carry, Roy and the playside 3tech are out of the play. But the hands and disengage, plus the short area quickness makes this play. That's a big man with a quick first step, keeping his eyes up and taking a great angle.

At 3:09 - center never had a chance. Just gets walked back immediately.

At 3:20 - I'm convinced this was a flash trap from the lineman at the wing. That's a big boy out there and he's not looking down the end of the line to flash/kick out an edge rusher. He's coming inside looking for that nose. Probably why KState decided to use such a large man. Try that shit with a 240lb TE and he'll be crushed. The guard releases Roy and he is immediately looking for a 2nd level block. Bravvion just gets to the mesh point so quick for a big man that the trap doesn't have time to develop. And yet again, when he gets back there, he finishes at the ball carrier.

At 3:31 - arms, stacks and controls his man. Eyes up, finds the ball carrier and makes first contact.

It's just very clear when he isn't in the game the Baylor defense has to use their speed a little smarter. You'll see more stunts, twists, slants, etc etc to get into the backfield and disrupt rushing lanes when you don't have a 6'1 325 space eater on the interior.

Bravvion is the anti-thesis to how I see Tristan Wirfs. This kid should be getting more name recognition, but what he does isn't sexy enough for that. I'm sure the metrics and grades probably love this kid too. What I see on tape has to translate to high run stop percentage and pressure rates in PFF's book. Unless they're just high as shit when they're watching.

tiamat63

I'm fortunate enough to have some friends who put the time in to be the helpful kind of geeks. I was getting tired of using my work laptop for all manner of things and, couple that with giving my xbox to my nephew, threw a few of my tax return dollars at them to build me a new computer. Love it, especially how seamless it is going between both monitors. If you have the ability or friends with the ability to help you out in such a way - big thumbs up from me. Now I just need to find a game to play.

Anywho, they introduced me to discord - VOIP app. It's what they use to talk while playing. Also using it to chat with friends in a room when watching film. Yours truly is online this morning and I'll be starting on my film journey with Andrew Thomas (OT) and possibly mix in some Kyle Dugger (S) to break up the monotony. Should anyone want to setup a, I believe the kids call it - "watch party"....?

Tour2ma

Just spent a lil over an hour with Mr. Wirfs... watched parts of 2019 games vs. Miami (Ohio), Rutgers, Penn St., Iowa St., Nebraska and Michigan.Most of the tape was of him at RT, but there were a couple quarters of him at LT when the starting LT went down temporarily. I came away with a few impressions.

Tristan Wirfs - OT/OG - Iowa

The side he played mattered very little.
The athleticism he's flashed at the Combine is apparent in his tape, but he alternately under utilizes it and over relies upon it.
While never really challenged in PassPro it was the smaller players that consistently played better against him often catching him with a seemingly unexpected "punch" that would put him on his heels. Michigan's Josh Uche (LB) came close, but UM's Kwity Paye (DE) came closest to beating him. Josh lacked just enough speed and bend to clear Wirfs' reach and Kwity lacked just enough power to walk Wirf's all the way back.
Larger DEs were not an issue... Wirfs simply latched onto them and anchored them to a standstill. His "latch ons" are well placed inside. I did not see him flagged. I longed to see him up against a gifted edge player like Myles or Chase, but no such matchup was found.
While his feet are light he has zero kick-slide. He chops away from the line when he anticipates a wide rush. His feet are generally good enough to mirror a rusher who tries to get cute, but sometimes his top half lags and he ends up off balance.
His run blocking really disappointed. He was frequently unable to sustain drive blocks or get to ZBS cutoff blocks. Plus he tended to get lost in space. He'd pull nicely only to not see who needed to be hit or slide off a double-team only to miss at the 2nd level. Why the problem? I'm not sure, but he just seemed to be guessing where defenders would be based upon where the scout team opponent had been all week rather than reacting to the play in front of him and adjusting. However, as in PassPro, when he did latch onto a defender, then they were no longer a factor in the play.

Bottom Line: Wirfs is not going to play OT well as a Pro without developing a decent level of technique and his transition to OG is not a given. I would not risk our1st-round pick on him.

Tour2ma

Next up...

Josh Jones - OT - UH

Not a great deal of 2019 game film on Josh, but there is the Cougs full game vs OU and half of their game vs U of Cinci. The competition level, especially vs OU, was pretty decent.

Here are my thoughts...

Calm, cool and collected describes Josh's game. He simply always looks like he is on control of the situation. He acts like he is the better player... and he is. Unlike Wirfs he gets to assigned spots on runs and is ready for first player that comes his way. He looks on his way to the spot.
In PassPro he sets easily and quickly, but again calmly with no evidence of being rushed. Have to add that I saw more pass sets than I was expecting to see given UH's Air-Raid, passing attack due to Houston playing from behind.
Tech... well, again there is nearly a complete lack of refined footwork present, but Josh has one thing mastered that he made me aware was missing is my above work on Tristan Wirfs... PAD LEVEL. It's there all the time on Josh's game... It's there in PassPro. It's there during drive blocks. It's there on the move to the 2nd level. It's there on post in the 2nd level. It's there all the time.

Bottom Line: Josh Jones plays like the 4-year starter he is. He plays like he's seen it all before... probably because he has. If we were stuck at #10 overall, I now have to consider turning in his name to be an option based upon a higher than expected floor. His ceiling? Not sure it threatens Thomas'... might be close to Wills'... but in either case it's enough of a question to send me back for another look at my top 2's tape.

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

Next up...

Josh Jones - OT - UH

Not a great deal of 2019 game film on Josh, but there is the Cougs full game vs OU and half of their game vs U of Cinci. The competition level, especially vs OU, was pretty decent.

Here are my thoughts...

Calm, cool and collected describes Josh's game. He simply always looks like he is on control of the situation. He acts like he is the better player... and he is. Unlike Wirfs he gets to assigned spots on runs and is ready for first player that comes his way. He looks on his way to the spot.

In PassPro he sets easily and quickly, but again calmly with no evidence of being rushed. Have to add that I saw more pass sets than I was expecting to see given UH's Air-Raid, passing attack due to Houston playing from behind.

Tech... well, again there is nearly a complete lack of refined footwork present, but Josh has one thing mastered that he made me aware was missing is my above work on Tristan Wirfs... PAD LEVEL. It's there all the time on Josh's game... It's there in PassPro. It's there during drive blocks. It's there on the move to the 2nd level. It's there on post in the 2nd level. It's there all the time.

Bottom Line: Josh Jones plays like the 4-year starter he is. He plays like he's seen it all before... probably because he has. If we were stuck at #10 overall, I now have to consider turning in his name to be an option based upon a higher than expected floor. His ceiling? Not sure it threatens Thomas'... might be close to Wills'... but in either case it's enough of a question to send me back for another look at my top 2's tape.

I'm sitting here doing a write up for Josh and Dugger in Cal's thread and you're basically taking some of the words out of my mouth on Jonesy.

Also, appears we're pretty lock step on Wirfs and several others. You and I have been surprisingly agreeable on multiple top prospects this year. I... I'm not sure how comfortable I am with this.

Tour2ma

@tiamat63 said:

Also, appears we're pretty lock step on Wirfs and several others. You and I have been surprisingly agreeable on multiple top prospects this year. I... I'm not sure how comfortable I am with this.

lol... I think we've agreed more than we haven't over the years.

Wirfs is a weird one... there's really nothing to dislike in his game... there's just nothing to love. Not sure this makes any sense, but it's as if he's effective even though he doesn't seem to actually dictate the outcome.

Tour2ma

Next spent a little time with...

Mekhi Becton - OT - UL

Couple 2019 tapes floating around out there vs Kentucky and Notre Dame. Here are a few notes:

Kid plays top heavy... lunges at targets when on the move and when he misses, which is a fair percentage of the time, he ends up stumbling off balance.
Really ugly 3-point stance that he pops out of like a Jack-in-the-Box... unless the play is away in which case more often than not he dives in vain at a defenders ankles... tells me OC has no confidence that he can cut off backside pursuit.
As awkward as Becton looks on the run he looks pretty decent in PassPro. Foot tech is absent, but his shuffle back out of a two-point is fairly smooth. The move that he will struggle against, however, is the strong outside rush followed by either a club or spin preceding a move back to the inside... it's Mekhi's top-heaviness coming into play.
I bragged on Jones' pad level... not happening here... Becton carries his chest high and available. Delivers some fierce punches in run blocking, but doesn't punch in PassPro. Rather he tends to go passive when he retreats.
Head... real question marks here. Just watched a draw play over RG... Mekhi releases to second level and ends up face-to-face with ND's Edge/LB prospect, Julian Okwara. with a couple yards separating them. And what does Mekhi do? Turns his back to Okwara to watch the run to completion. Care to guess who made the tackle? Yup... Okwara ran it down.

Not going to go back and verify, but writing the last note made me realize that UL did not run to Becton's side... honestly I cannot recall a single play. They did play action to his side a fair amount in a wide ZBS look, but the QB always bootlegged to the right. UL not running behind their biggest OL is a red flag.

Note: Just ran a little more tape and UL ran left three straight plays... zero yards... zero yards and then 4 yards ending in a fumble. Not all the poor plays were on Mekhi... only two were.

I know some loved his tape and others loved his Combine, but I am not seeing much to love. Yes, there's size and some athleticism, but the big kid is a big project, not plug-n-play.

gumby73

Becton vs Clemson.... Bonus clip.. Becton & Simmons 2019 viewing... in the ACC, Clemson has owned the Cardinals even with Lamar..

Confirming Tour nailed post above on Becton.. don't have time to timeline this,(post combine, back to a thing called a job) but it all shows up in here... as expected..Well done, Tour ! His size will sell.. but will the money & coaching motivate him at the next level?.. that's why we pay guys like Callahan to sway Berry's choice...

Ibleedbrown

@tour2ma said:

Head... real question marks here. Just watched a draw play over RG... Mekhi releases to second level and ends up face-to-face with ND's Edge/LB prospect, Julian Okwara. with a couple yards separating them. And what does Mekhi do? Turns his back to Okwara to watch the run to completion. Care to guess who made the tackle? Yup... Okwara ran it down.

Not going to go back and verify, but writing the last note made me realize that UL did not run to Becton's side... honestly I cannot recall a single play. They did play action to his side a fair amount in a wide ZBS look, but the QB always bootlegged to the right. UL not running behind their biggest OL is a red flag.

I felt like l had read something to the effect that Becton wasn’t the most reliable next level blocker. These quoted points touch on it. I’m curious if it looked like U of L asked him to do much blocking at the second level or did he mostly stick around the LOS?

TexasAg1969

I was more impressed with slowness of foot movement in some of the drills with Becton. And yet some of the newest post combine mocks have him going to us or someone higher on the food chain. I just don't see what they see other than the size. People like Garrett, Clowney, etc with speed and bend will blow right by him IMO. I'd go with Thomas or Wills before Becton if all 3 are still there @ #10. I would not want Becton protecting the blind side. Broken QB by game 4.

Tour2ma

@ibleedbrown said:

I felt like l had read something to the effect that Becton wasn’t the most reliable next level blocker. These quoted points touch on it. I’m curious if it looked like U of L asked him to do much blocking at the second level or did he mostly stick around the LOS?

Since they tended to run away from him, when the runs away were ZBS, then Becton released to block for any cutbacks. Can't recall him actually executing any.

@texasag1969 said:

I was more impressed with slowness of foot movement in some of the drills with Becton. And yet some of the newest post combine mocks have him going to us or someone higher on the food chain. I just don't see what they see other than the size. People like Garrett, Clowney, etc with speed and bend will blow right by him IMO. I'd go with Thomas or Wills before Becton if all 3 are still there @ #10. I would not want Becton protecting the blind side. Broken QB by game 4.

If slow feet impress you, then I'm your guy...

I think Becton would smother most wide rushes, but anyone with a secondary move inside would beat him badly after selling the outside threat.

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:

Since they tended to run away from him, when the runs away were ZBS, then Becton released to block for any cutbacks. Can't recall him actually executing any.

If slow feet impress you, then I'm your guy...

I think Becton would smother most wide rushes, but anyone with a secondary move inside would beat him badly after selling the outside threat.

I agree. His change of direction in the drills I saw was horrible. Too much mass moving one way and not enough power to shift it the reverse direction quickly. I'm not even sure he can get to the wide running fast guys with quick getoff. I just can't see us taking him unless Thomas and Wills are already taken. With Becton I can see a lot of "leaning" OL movement calls on him when matched against quickness & speed if he gets beaten badly a couple of times.

tiamat63

I'm watching 4 different games of this kid and I want to see who else notices some of the finer points in this particular play. Call this a football social experiment. Go to 0:41 seconds in this clip. Stop, take in the offensive formation, down & distance and the player we're obviously watching (Chinn). Playing as the "SS" here. Let that play run and tell me what YOU see in those little details. Because right there gives me a TON of information. Enough that, after only watching one other cutup of his and now less than a minute into this one, I can safely say that despite the play being completed away from him, I think this kid is the better small school prospect than Dugger.

gumby73

@tiamat63 said:

Stop, take in the offensive formation, down & distance and the player we're obviously watching (Chinn). Playing as the "SS" here. Let that play run and tell me what YOU see in those little details. Because right there gives me a TON of information. Enough that, after only watching one other cutup of his and now less than a minute into this one, I can safely say that despite the play being completed away from him, I think this kid is the better small school prospect than Dugger.

In non-DB gibber jabber ?, a) i see a well coached safety that can trust his back petal & chooses not to turn his back from QB nor a dual Wr's high go routes.. (can open hips on go routes too) b) seeing the play in front of him, allows Chinn to split & top zone both WR's putting himself in position to attack the football at either wide-out.. c) he gives the duals a peek, (might be well tape prepared on opponent) but the eyes than target back at the QB (as they should)..

Edit-- Does Chinn do Punt returns such as Dugger? either way, Am going to be a tough sell off my Carolina kid..and when i hear deion sanders say 'that is one thick dude" He really is.. than combining Duggers wingspan.. I'll be a homer.. following Dugger, no matter where he ends up.. i know me

tiamat63

@gumby73 said:

In non-DB gibber jabber ?, a) i see a well coached safety that can trust his back petal & chooses not to turn his back from QB nor a dual Wr's high go routes.. (can open hips on go routes too) b) seeing the play in front of him, allows Chinn to split & top zone both WR's putting himself in position to attack the football at either wide-out.. c) he gives the duals a peek, (might be well tape prepared on opponent) but the eyes than target back at the QB (as they should)..

Edit-- Does Chinn do Punt returns such as Dugger? either way, Am going to be a tough sell off my Carolina kid..and when i hear deion sanders say 'that is one thick dude" He really is.. than combining Duggers wingspan.. I'll be a homer.. following Dugger, no matter where he ends up.. i know me

Good starts here, picking up some of the finer points and things I noticed.

It's a favorable down and distance, showing a formation YSU likes to run their inside zone from, while the defense shows splits and box defender depth that would normally invite run. Chinn does a good job keying the RT for pass. He's already sinking his weight and starting his back peddle before the RT has taken 2 full steps in his drop. So he's not showing a tendency to 'lean in' too far against the run despite being the last line of defense to the formation strength.

When he begins moving back, peep his eyes - he reads from #1 to #2 real fast. Now against man coverage I wouldn't do that myself but the corner to his side is either peeking WAY to much or playing a hard trail. Other option being a flipped cover 3 with a man combo or "Cover 3 lock" for some. It's a pretty odd look but nothing unheard of. But what I like from his eyes here is that he sees the #1 immediately pressing vertical and, while staying square and working his back peddle, gets depth AND width - knowing his slot defender is playing inside leverage to cut off the deep over. So what he's looking for here is vertical and then staying square enough plant, drive and close on anything that breaks in front of him. THAT is a great start to show how you leverage route concepts vs the coverage call.

This is a very solid foundation to playing safety effectively. The worst thing you can be is a complete and total liability back there. Might as well have 10 men on the field.

Now I wouldn't put him as my center field most of the time in the NFL as a rookie. He still needs work and time to get to game speed. But he is showing to be more than competent enough with his eyes and mind, tossed in the fact he's a great athlete, to believe that there might be a solid future ahead of him. He doesn't play flat footed so often that would panic me, and he has shown some real ability to actually understand what is unfolding both infront of and behind him. There's another play in that same clip at the 1:50 mark. The strong side safety plants his ass outside the tackle, takes on the lead back and fights through to get to the ball carrier for 4 yards. THAT is a role this kid, at a 6'3 220lbs, is built to excel at with early playing time.

I'll tag you in Cal's thread when I'm finished up with Dugger since that is your dude as well.

Tour2ma

Well I flunked that test...

Nice Combine for the kid

tiamat63

@tour2ma said:

Well I flunked that test...

Nice Combine for the kid

Not so much a test. Just wanting to find out if people are seeing similar things.

Back to Becton for me.

@ 1:14 Uh, Whuuuut? The hell kind of chop is that?

@ 1:47 Another piss poor chop.

@ 2:50 Good pick up on the stunt. But poorly played by ND on timing.

@ 3:46 lets go 3 for 3 on trash can chops.

@ 4:14 Just when you think things couldn't get any choppier, he proves you wrong.

@ 4:25 Missed assignment on the 5th man pressure. Eyes? Where?

@ 4:37 This was a theme and reminded me of Wirfs. He gets to the second level and looks just completely lost at times?

Strange that when Lville boots or rolls the pocket, they always roll away from him.

@ 6:50 Louisville can call Thomas "weak"... but what the hell is that? You let the man get into your chest and up under you. Zero punch until the edge is already in his chest.

@ 7:32 Finally gets attacked by speed with the ND edge rushers pin their ears back. Not the best look seeing as how it was about the first time all night he was without a slide protect or chip help and had to one on one.

He really didn't have a lot of looks to be exposed on in the Cards game plan. But there are issues his size presents that his punch should help solve, but too many times he lets the edge into his chest and plays high. Him being a pretty big waist bender is certainly no help.

gumby73

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tiamat63

@ 1:03

Interesting look. Showing man zero pressure but rotating out to a cover 2 with a strong side rotation. Chinn ends up as the "MIKE". He sees the #2 to the weak side driving up field, but his eyes get caught with the delay release on the HB which would have been the OLB to that sides job to take.

Can't fall for the cheese when you're the man playing the low hole.

@ 1:47

Dropping under into a spot zone. SDSU went with this look early to the #3 and won. You have to remember as a DB, when you're playing zone, the WR is still going to read your leverage and work his his route stem off that. Your help was to the inside so you should favor driving to your outside shoulder. Instead he steps down too far and takes a poor angle recovering.

@2:40

Great recovery speed. He's 2 yards behind the LOS and gets in to make a tackle on the RB downfield. Saw some similar things in coverage vs YSU. Good closing burst to limit damage.

@ 3:05

More great closing speed on the delayed pressure. The kid has a knack for getting home when SIU actually does decide to turn him loose.

@ 3:26 is a great example of situational awareness and coaching.

SDSU had their receivers to Chinns side literally avoid putting any block on the CB. Instead they would run straight for Chinn and attempt to seal him inside while they took their chances bouncing things out and letting the corners play contain.

- Situational awareness. The last thing you want to do here is take a back step(s). Before the snap, JC is already back on his weight getting ready to drop.
You play the run HARD 99.9999999% of the time in this type of moment. Less than a minute before the half, tie ball game, opponent on their own goal line.
This is the offense looking for nothing more than preventing something stupid like a safety, killing the clock and getting to half time in an even game.

Instead he has taken 4 big missteps that, if played correctly between depth of alignment and cleaning up the footwork, would have allowed him to attack faster downhill be the run force.. That's a 'Y-Y' look to his side. Two TE's, homie. The ball is coming that way and you HAVE to be ready. Hell, if those 3 or 4 steps weren't fucked up, he might have actually had a shot at coming down the alley and actually forcing the safety.

But this awareness isn't limited to just him. As the CB you have to know the gameplan was to neutralize the defenses best player. Getting a hat on the best tackler is priority #1 for any rushing attack. This wasn't something SDSU just decided to do either. There were half a dozen other snaps with the same look sealing him inside and causing a traffic jam against lateral pursuit. Instead? The corner follows too high and too intent on his man, walks right into the wash and loses his contain late.

@ 3:38

I do like some of the mental work here from a 3 deep shell. JC is playing the #2 on the out while the #1 runs a clearout (go) The #2 dropping so shallow to the field side is cheese. SDSU WANTS the DB to attack it. Why? Check out at the top of the screen... A deep 'over' coming from the #2 to the opposite side of the field. That's who this play is intended for. And too his credit, Chinn doesn't get sucked up by the action in front of him. He knows the offense wants to force the ball downfield and he sees the route coming. That's good work between the ears.

@ 4:07

For a counter point to why I like JC's eyes and mind work, flip to there. Almost the exact similiar play in terms of route structure from SDSU. This is how they prefer to attack a 3 deep look. Starting from the top (boundary) the #1 is running the clearout (go) and the #2 is the back who releases late to the flat. The #2 (slot) from the field is crossing on the deep over.

And if you pause @ 4:12. It's there... well, it's going to be there. The CB sees the late release from the back and is beginning to step down to take it. Voiding a LARGE zone for the QB. The only thing that saved this from being a big completion was the pressure from the SIU Dline. Chinn had the awareness to not committ so hard downhill because, through a combination of preperation and play sense, knew their was a deeper developing route behind him.

@ 4:59

For my knock on him at the goal line run towards the end of the 1st half, to his credit, the kid didn't make the same mistake again. Another Y-Y look to his side. He's seen this before and knows what's coming now. No weight being transferred backwards, no hips sinking, nada. Good downsteps, under control, with vision and discipline.

@6:49

Another Y-Y set. This time with a wing at the end. Chinn just stays flat footed despite all of his keys screaming run. At this point, SDSU knows that the field side corner and both safeties really don't want any part of that running game. I was on the fence, but from that time stamp on, I have to question this kids level of 'phyisicality'. How badly do you want to be the hitter? How badly do you want to set the tone and enforce your will? Because I'm not seeing it here. Actually, that field CB, #25... that kid is a pussy. No excuses for Chinn either. 6'3 220? That's Harrison Smith size. Bring that pain or don't bring it at all.

@ 7:12

Dear Christ, you've been burned by this sight adjustment three times. This made four. You need to be even with those backers to take away that WR flare. If not, it's a gimme 5 yarder everytime. That's on the coaches at this point. It's stealing practically.

@7:28

Now I'm back to questioning eyes for everyone. I get it, I'm aggressive. Been that way in almost every sport I've ever played. You should see me on the golf course 6 deep. We're gonna drop a club and sail that MF EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. That said, your keys will rarely lie to you. I first have to compliment the run fake by the QB. As a safety what helps not being sold on bullshit is seeing a high ball from the signal caller. If that ball starts coming out chest high, I'm not taking that fake. But when reading EMOL, he should see the fast release by the TE and the OT not aggressive down stepping to run block.

Actually, it's barely even a lateral step to sell the stretch. So your eyes should double check that end man - As he goes, so do you. Then again, with some of the shodding excuses I see for blocking technique at even the collegiate level anymore... things become muddled. Instead Chinn gets sucked up hard by the run action. Not that you don't necessarily play run in this case. But it's one of those you have to "feel" it. You know eventually SDSU is going to take their dagger shot after building off the run. And good Christ, does this team LOVES their OVER and boot calls to attack SIU with.

@8:59

Once again to Chinn's credit, he didn't seemingly make that same mistake again. See's the tackle drop step and the EMOL quick release avoiding any chips. So he was ready and adjusted this time.

@ 9:15. THANK YOU! This is what I've been wanting to see. 2x2 set, the motion creates a "quads" to that side or in this case, a lead sweep lead. 3rd and 9, Chinn plays run the whole way still. He see's the end man go for a seal on the nose, the edge is being left as the read who (correctly) stays home for the QB. The SAM works outside the #2 and holds his ground, while the MIKE flows laterally, fills on the lead, sheds to attack his feet then Chinn flys in to clean it up with some serious authoritah. This is what I want to see more of and what I truly believe this kid can be capable of when he actually wants to be. But the kid needs work, he needs time, and most importantly needs to trust what he sees and feels.

Chinn might be the most physically gifted DB in this class. And even better, there are real flashes of a light bulb between his ears here and there. You have to look for them at times, but they are there. But you can see a player who hasn't been at it for a hell of a long time either. There is tremendous room for mental growth here and either he or his coaches picking up on little mistakes, then him correcting those mistakes, tends to speak volumes to just that. Simplifying what you ask of him is a good start and with Joe Woods' defensive system being a more cut down version of Wade Phillips', you won't be throwing him into the NFL fire, schematically speaking, right off rip.

edit: re: Woods system and Chinn's current play style. This would be your ideal big nickel, dime backer, maybe even a WILL in a 'small ball' look. But his best traits are being in man coverage underneath, then using his athletic ability and length to attack pass catchers, ball carriers and the QB. He's a pretty smart blitzer, does well getting small through the wash and limiting contact when he's dial up at a 5th or 6th man in pressure. But asking him to be your center fielder, to sit back and diagnose route combo's... just wouldn't be the best way to currently use him. He has the physical ability to go sideline to sideline, but he lacks the time at that position, the eye discipline, anticipation and understanding necessary to properly fill that particular kind of roll at this moment.