Mock Drafts Thread
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Fresh mock from Dawg Pound Daily...
https://dawgpounddaily.com/2020/03/03/cleveland-browns-post-scouting-combine-7-round-mock-draft/6/
1. Mekhi Becton (OT, UL) - figures that the morning after I trash him...
2. Antoine Winfield (S, MN) - I see other options as much better options both at this pick and later.
3a. Troy Dye (OLB, Oregon) - he's not Baun, but he's a good one...
3b. Leki Fotu (IDL, Utah) - while one of the "best of the rest", I see a one dimensional player in Danny's mold. There are much better choices that might be around for our 2nd pick. I also see (and mocked) a good alternative and a much better value with a late, Day 4 price tag.
4. Shane Lemieux (IOL, Oregon) - hardly the best in the draft, but a good one that I've simmed regularly to us; very good ZBS OG.
6. Myles Bryant (CB, Washington) - don't know him... Draft Network has him ranked too high to last this long and PFF has a 4th round grade on him.
7. Stephen Sullivan (TE, LSU) - decent receiving talent for this late of a pick and one I've simmed here more than a few times, but I have a feeling that his Combine showing means he'll not be here when we pick for real.
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Starting to see Jeremy Chinn as my mid-late round "box" safety.
As much as it would be cool to see Winfield on the back of a Browns jersey.
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Starting to see Jeremy Chinn as my mid-late round "box" safety.
As much as it would be cool to see Winfield on the back of a Browns jersey.
Starting to see Jeremy Chinn as my mid-late round "box" safety.
As much as it would be cool to see Winfield on the back of a Browns jersey.
Jeremy Chinn vs Kyle Dugger - really going to be an interesting read.
https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/draft-profile-south-illinois-safety-jeremy-chinn
Draft Profile: South Illinois Safety Jeremy Chinn
NFL Scouting Combine Notebook: Meet This Year's Small-School 'Draft Crush' (Kyle Dugger)
but the real top story, since I didn't have Chinn on my list... is another offensive tackle I didn't have on my list -
who is already starting to get possible late first round attention...and who makes me think the Browns WILL trade down from ten a ways and look for Jones or:
Boise State Broncos offensive lineman Ezra Cleveland runs official 4.93 second 40-yard dash at 2020 NFL Scouting Combine.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03/02/combine-draft-rumors-risers-free-agency-outlook-rbs-wrs
"Boise State OT Ezra Cleveland was one name that came up consistently as a player who helped himself in Indy. With the top four tackles—Georgia’s Andrew Thomas, Louisville’s Mekhi Becton, Iowa’s Tristan Wirfs and Alabama’s Jedrick Wills—all now in the Top-10 conversation, the second tier at the position likely gets pushed up a bit. And Cleveland might’ve pushed himself to the top of that tier with his showing."
https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZTSB&pc=MOZI&q=ezra+cleveland
Now, put some age on his picture, and tell me he doesn't look a bit like Joe Thomas. lol
but he has flaws - strength, punch, etc etc...but as a later round pick - could become a solid RT in time ? Drafting him high based on combine numbers - something the Browns USED to do.
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Starting to see Jeremy Chinn as my mid-late round "box" safety.
As much as it would be cool to see Winfield on the back of a Browns jersey.
Jeremy Chinn vs Kyle Dugger - really going to be an interesting read.
https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/draft-profile-south-illinois-safety-jeremy-chinn
Draft Profile: South Illinois Safety Jeremy Chinn
NFL Scouting Combine Notebook: Meet This Year's Small-School 'Draft Crush' (Kyle Dugger)
but the real top story, since I didn't have Chinn on my list... is another offensive tackle I didn't have on my list -
who is already starting to get possible late first round attention...and who makes me think the Browns WILL trade down from ten a ways and look for Jones or:
Boise State Broncos offensive lineman Ezra Cleveland runs official 4.93 second 40-yard dash at 2020 NFL Scouting Combine.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03/02/combine-draft-rumors-risers-free-agency-outlook-rbs-wrs
"Boise State OT Ezra Cleveland was one name that came up consistently as a player who helped himself in Indy. With the top four tackles—Georgia’s Andrew Thomas, Louisville’s Mekhi Becton, Iowa’s Tristan Wirfs and Alabama’s Jedrick Wills—all now in the Top-10 conversation, the second tier at the position likely gets pushed up a bit. And Cleveland might’ve pushed himself to the top of that tier with his showing."
https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZTSB&pc=MOZI&q=ezra+cleveland
Now, put some age on his picture, and tell me he doesn't look a bit like Joe Thomas. lol
but he has flaws - strength, punch, etc etc...but as a later round pick - could become a solid RT in time ? Drafting him high based on combine numbers - something the Browns USED to do.
Jeremy Chinn vs Kyle Dugger - really going to be an interesting read.
https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/draft-profile-south-illinois-safety-jeremy-chinn
Draft Profile: South Illinois Safety Jeremy Chinn
NFL Scouting Combine Notebook: Meet This Year's Small-School 'Draft Crush' (Kyle Dugger)
but the real top story, since I didn't have Chinn on my list... is another offensive tackle I didn't have on my list -
who is already starting to get possible late first round attention...and who makes me think the Browns WILL trade down from ten a ways and look for Jones or:
Boise State Broncos offensive lineman Ezra Cleveland runs official 4.93 second 40-yard dash at 2020 NFL Scouting Combine.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03/02/combine-draft-rumors-risers-free-agency-outlook-rbs-wrs
"Boise State OT Ezra Cleveland was one name that came up consistently as a player who helped himself in Indy. With the top four tackles—Georgia’s Andrew Thomas, Louisville’s Mekhi Becton, Iowa’s Tristan Wirfs and Alabama’s Jedrick Wills—all now in the Top-10 conversation, the second tier at the position likely gets pushed up a bit. And Cleveland might’ve pushed himself to the top of that tier with his showing."
https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZTSB&pc=MOZI&q=ezra+cleveland
Now, put some age on his picture, and tell me he doesn't look a bit like Joe Thomas. lol
but he has flaws - strength, punch, etc etc...but as a later round pick - could become a solid RT in time ? Drafting him high based on combine numbers - something the Browns USED to do.
It's going to hurt your heart when I post in your thread but spoiler alert - Chinn is my guy over Dugger IMHO. More on that to come.
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Starting to see Jeremy Chinn as my mid-late round "box" safety.
As much as it would be cool to see Winfield on the back of a Browns jersey.
Jeremy Chinn vs Kyle Dugger - really going to be an interesting read.
https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/draft-profile-south-illinois-safety-jeremy-chinn
Draft Profile: South Illinois Safety Jeremy Chinn
NFL Scouting Combine Notebook: Meet This Year's Small-School 'Draft Crush' (Kyle Dugger)
but the real top story, since I didn't have Chinn on my list... is another offensive tackle I didn't have on my list -
who is already starting to get possible late first round attention...and who makes me think the Browns WILL trade down from ten a ways and look for Jones or:
Boise State Broncos offensive lineman Ezra Cleveland runs official 4.93 second 40-yard dash at 2020 NFL Scouting Combine.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03/02/combine-draft-rumors-risers-free-agency-outlook-rbs-wrs
"Boise State OT Ezra Cleveland was one name that came up consistently as a player who helped himself in Indy. With the top four tackles—Georgia’s Andrew Thomas, Louisville’s Mekhi Becton, Iowa’s Tristan Wirfs and Alabama’s Jedrick Wills—all now in the Top-10 conversation, the second tier at the position likely gets pushed up a bit. And Cleveland might’ve pushed himself to the top of that tier with his showing."
https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZTSB&pc=MOZI&q=ezra+cleveland
Now, put some age on his picture, and tell me he doesn't look a bit like Joe Thomas. lol
but he has flaws - strength, punch, etc etc...but as a later round pick - could become a solid RT in time ? Drafting him high based on combine numbers - something the Browns USED to do.
Now, put some age on his picture, and tell me he doesn't look a bit like Joe Thomas. lol
Well as they say... all Caucasians look alike.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Jeremy Chinn vs Kyle Dugger - really going to be an interesting read.
https://www.si.com/nfl/lions/news/draft-profile-south-illinois-safety-jeremy-chinn
Draft Profile: South Illinois Safety Jeremy Chinn
NFL Scouting Combine Notebook: Meet This Year's Small-School 'Draft Crush' (Kyle Dugger)
but the real top story, since I didn't have Chinn on my list... is another offensive tackle I didn't have on my list -
who is already starting to get possible late first round attention...and who makes me think the Browns WILL trade down from ten a ways and look for Jones or:
Boise State Broncos offensive lineman Ezra Cleveland runs official 4.93 second 40-yard dash at 2020 NFL Scouting Combine.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03/02/combine-draft-rumors-risers-free-agency-outlook-rbs-wrs
"Boise State OT Ezra Cleveland was one name that came up consistently as a player who helped himself in Indy. With the top four tackles—Georgia’s Andrew Thomas, Louisville’s Mekhi Becton, Iowa’s Tristan Wirfs and Alabama’s Jedrick Wills—all now in the Top-10 conversation, the second tier at the position likely gets pushed up a bit. And Cleveland might’ve pushed himself to the top of that tier with his showing."
https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZTSB&pc=MOZI&q=ezra+cleveland
Now, put some age on his picture, and tell me he doesn't look a bit like Joe Thomas. lol
but he has flaws - strength, punch, etc etc...but as a later round pick - could become a solid RT in time ? Drafting him high based on combine numbers - something the Browns USED to do.
It's going to hurt your heart when I post in your thread but spoiler alert - Chinn is my guy over Dugger IMHO. More on that to come.
It's going to hurt your heart when I post in your thread but spoiler alert - Chinn is my guy over Dugger IMHO. More on that to come.
lol. Nope - I knew warranted criticism would be coming - obviously, my understanding of on the field football stuff is lacking a good bit - but I do the best I can about heart, character and love for the game, and a layman's opinion on combine numbers, and what I have gleaned over the years watching football since I was a kid....
I have always been a love for the game/character guy... and the combine numbers...while important...doesn't mean diddley when talking about ...eh....gilbert...manziel....robinson....calloway....c coleman....j gordon... blech.
I believe every single team has it happen, but the former Browns staffs have steadfastly made terrible decisions all too often.
The "experts" , which I certainly am not, don't get the picks right, either, ..so no angst when my mock draft is criticized. I'm good.
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Apparently stupid is not limited to FA articles today.
Here's a CBS mock that not only has us trading up, but trading up for Mehki Belton because... "Given Becton's insane athleticism at his size at the left tackle spot, he's a perfect fit in Kevin Stefanski's zone-blocking run scheme..."
Then they add to the stupid by claiming it's only cost us a 4th rounder to move up from 10 to 8...
I ain't gonna make it thru this offseason...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Apparently stupid is not limited to FA articles today.
Here's a CBS mock that not only has us trading up, but trading up for Mehki Belton because... "Given Becton's insane athleticism at his size at the left tackle spot, he's a perfect fit in Kevin Stefanski's zone-blocking run scheme..."
Then they add to the stupid by claiming it's only cost us a 4th rounder to move up from 10 to 8...
I ain't gonna make it thru this offseason...
Apparently stupid is not limited to FA articles today.
Here's a CBS mock that not only has us trading up, but trading up for Mehki Belton because... "Given Becton's insane athleticism at his size at the left tackle spot, he's a perfect fit in Kevin Stefanski's zone-blocking run scheme..."
Then they add to the stupid by claiming it's only cost us a 4th rounder to move up from 10 to 8...
I ain't gonna make it thru this offseason...
I was about to propose something similar. I didnt like Becton because i was going off memory of how horrible the Louisville offensive line used to be. I went and compared his tape to the top guys and he is on a different level. I dont think any of the other guys are worthy of top 10 pick but Becton could be a generational talent. In reality he doesnt make it out of the top 5
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Apparently stupid is not limited to FA articles today.
Here's a CBS mock that not only has us trading up, but trading up for Mehki Belton because... "Given Becton's insane athleticism at his size at the left tackle spot, he's a perfect fit in Kevin Stefanski's zone-blocking run scheme..."
Then they add to the stupid by claiming it's only cost us a 4th rounder to move up from 10 to 8...
I ain't gonna make it thru this offseason...
I was about to propose something similar. I didnt like Becton because i was going off memory of how horrible the Louisville offensive line used to be. I went and compared his tape to the top guys and he is on a different level. I dont think any of the other guys are worthy of top 10 pick but Becton could be a generational talent. In reality he doesnt make it out of the top 5
I was about to propose something similar. I didnt like Becton because i was going off memory of how horrible the Louisville offensive line used to be. I went and compared his tape to the top guys and he is on a different level. I dont think any of the other guys are worthy of top 10 pick but Becton could be a generational talent. In reality he doesnt make it out of the top 5
I don't think what Tour was "proposing" would be praise of Becton.
And having just wrapped up watching him vs Clemson this past season, I'm inclined to agree being very underwhelmed at times by what I saw.
Dear God, the amount of waist bending....
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I think Louisville Slugger sees something I don't.
What game(s) did you look at LS? If different than those I looked at, then I'm willing to take another look.
Meanwhile report is out that LAC is trading Okung to CAR for OG Trai Turner so would appear that LAC has an OT in mind at #6 overall.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think Louisville Slugger sees something I don't.
What game(s) did you look at LS? If different than those I looked at, then I'm willing to take another look.
Meanwhile report is out that LAC is trading Okung to CAR for OG Trai Turner so would appear that LAC has an OT in mind at #6 overall.
I think Louisville Slugger sees something I don't.
What game(s) did you look at LS? If different than those I looked at, then I'm willing to take another look.
Meanwhile report is out that LAC is trading Okung to CAR for OG Trai Turner so would appear that LAC has an OT in mind at #6 overall.
Interesting. So who do they plan on at QB? Brady? Tyrod Taylor??
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I think Louisville Slugger sees something I don't.
What game(s) did you look at LS? If different than those I looked at, then I'm willing to take another look.
Meanwhile report is out that LAC is trading Okung to CAR for OG Trai Turner so would appear that LAC has an OT in mind at #6 overall.
Interesting. So who do they plan on at QB? Brady? Tyrod Taylor??
Interesting. So who do they plan on at QB? Brady? Tyrod Taylor??
Bridgewater.
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I was about to propose something similar. I didnt like Becton because i was going off memory of how horrible the Louisville offensive line used to be. I went and compared his tape to the top guys and he is on a different level. I dont think any of the other guys are worthy of top 10 pick but Becton could be a generational talent. In reality he doesnt make it out of the top 5
I don't think what Tour was "proposing" would be praise of Becton.
And having just wrapped up watching him vs Clemson this past season, I'm inclined to agree being very underwhelmed at times by what I saw.
Dear God, the amount of waist bending....
I don't think what Tour was "proposing" would be praise of Becton.
And having just wrapped up watching him vs Clemson this past season, I'm inclined to agree being very underwhelmed at times by what I saw.
Dear God, the amount of waist bending....
He needs to get lower in pass blocking and slow down when getting to the 2and level, but that's pretty easy to fix with a coach like Callahan. His run blocking is devastating and his feet are good in pass pro.
Wills has heavy feet. Hes probably going to be a OG.
Thomas mirrors well but looks weak/soft.
Wirfs is a good RT prospect but I want a LT if it a top 10 pick.
It's still early my opinion might change but that's what I'm seeing
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I don't think what Tour was "proposing" would be praise of Becton.
And having just wrapped up watching him vs Clemson this past season, I'm inclined to agree being very underwhelmed at times by what I saw.
Dear God, the amount of waist bending....
He needs to get lower in pass blocking and slow down when getting to the 2and level, but that's pretty easy to fix with a coach like Callahan. His run blocking is devastating and his feet are good in pass pro.
Wills has heavy feet. Hes probably going to be a OG.
Thomas mirrors well but looks weak/soft.
Wirfs is a good RT prospect but I want a LT if it a top 10 pick.
It's still early my opinion might change but that's what I'm seeing
He needs to get lower in pass blocking and slow down when getting to the 2and level, but that's pretty easy to fix with a coach like Callahan. His run blocking is devastating and his feet are good in pass pro.
Wills has heavy feet. Hes probably going to be a OG.
Thomas mirrors well but looks weak/soft.
Wirfs is a good RT prospect but I want a LT if it a top 10 pick.
It's still early my opinion might change but that's what I'm seeing
We'll have to just disagree on Wills and Thomas then.
I still have more to watch on Becton.
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Interesting. So who do they plan on at QB? Brady? Tyrod Taylor??
Bridgewater.
Bridgewater.
Tampa Bay looks like a contender there.
https://sports.yahoo.com/buccaneers-hot-teddy-bridgewater-020844977.html
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Bridgewater.
Tampa Bay looks like a contender there.
https://sports.yahoo.com/buccaneers-hot-teddy-bridgewater-020844977.html
Tampa Bay looks like a contender there.
https://sports.yahoo.com/buccaneers-hot-teddy-bridgewater-020844977.html
I guess just another rumor, much like everything with FA season......which in my opinion should have already started, like yesterday.
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I think Louisville Slugger sees something I don't.
What game(s) did you look at LS? If different than those I looked at, then I'm willing to take another look.
Meanwhile report is out that LAC is trading Okung to CAR for OG Trai Turner so would appear that LAC has an OT in mind at #6 overall.
I think Louisville Slugger sees something I don't.
What game(s) did you look at LS? If different than those I looked at, then I'm willing to take another look.
Meanwhile report is out that LAC is trading Okung to CAR for OG Trai Turner so would appear that LAC has an OT in mind at #6 overall.
I watched the Clemson tape. There were a handful of bad snaps. He got too high and pushed into the QB twice. No sack but it looks bad. He completely whiffed on a cut block. He over perused a linebacker. Other than that he dominated his man on every snap.
I've only watched 1 game of each of these guys so things could change, but Becton is way ahead at this point
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I don't think what Tour was "proposing" would be praise of Becton.
And having just wrapped up watching him vs Clemson this past season, I'm inclined to agree being very underwhelmed at times by what I saw.
Dear God, the amount of waist bending....
He needs to get lower in pass blocking and slow down when getting to the 2and level, but that's pretty easy to fix with a coach like Callahan. His run blocking is devastating and his feet are good in pass pro.
Wills has heavy feet. Hes probably going to be a OG.
Thomas mirrors well but looks weak/soft.
Wirfs is a good RT prospect but I want a LT if it a top 10 pick.
It's still early my opinion might change but that's what I'm seeing
He needs to get lower in pass blocking and slow down when getting to the 2and level, but that's pretty easy to fix with a coach like Callahan. His run blocking is devastating and his feet are good in pass pro. it's partly about getting caught flat footed with his feet.(but, any man that size could). mostly it's his poor balance waste bend, while trying to out physical every line opponent.. Becton reminds me a lot of Utah's -50lb. less- Garrett Bolles at Denver.. Bolles found out, ya can't anchor spinning speed demons off the edge till he get's his as& down & bend locks at his knees..when Bolles got beat in 1st season. He had to anchor by holding flags due to playing to high out of his stance. Becton is 2" taller than Bolles, but your right it can be coached..Bolles showed it can be done by coaching.. Denver hires Pitts, former OL coach Mike Munchak and Bowles did improve technique wise last season.. Dalton Risner played well in 1st season, not getting the coaching that Bolles badly needed year one...
Wills has heavy feet. Hes probably going to be a OG. but watch his feet, butt & knee bend in pass pro all aligned squaring off his opponents. has best hand location & punch of the group.it's why, scouts say he's the best tech ready of any tackle..
Thomas mirrors well but looks weak/soft. can't agree w/weak-soft.. AT played 3 years & over 42 games in the SEC & gave up only 5 sacks...i have slim hopes a smart gm leaves Thomas on the board before we get #10...
It's still early my opinion might change but that's what I'm seeing... and Were not pro scouts that get paid to f' this up?...and they will
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He needs to get lower in pass blocking and slow down when getting to the 2and level, but that's pretty easy to fix with a coach like Callahan. His run blocking is devastating and his feet are good in pass pro. it's partly about getting caught flat footed with his feet.(but, any man that size could). mostly it's his poor balance waste bend, while trying to out physical every line opponent.. Becton reminds me a lot of Utah's -50lb. less- Garrett Bolles at Denver.. Bolles found out, ya can't anchor spinning speed demons off the edge till he get's his as& down & bend locks at his knees..when Bolles got beat in 1st season. He had to anchor by holding flags due to playing to high out of his stance. Becton is 2" taller than Bolles, but your right it can be coached..Bolles showed it can be done by coaching.. Denver hires Pitts, former OL coach Mike Munchak and Bowles did improve technique wise last season.. Dalton Risner played well in 1st season, not getting the coaching that Bolles badly needed year one...
Wills has heavy feet. Hes probably going to be a OG. but watch his feet, butt & knee bend in pass pro all aligned squaring off his opponents. has best hand location & punch of the group.it's why, scouts say he's the best tech ready of any tackle..
Thomas mirrors well but looks weak/soft. can't agree w/weak-soft.. AT played 3 years & over 42 games in the SEC & gave up only 5 sacks...i have slim hopes a smart gm leaves Thomas on the board before we get #10...
It's still early my opinion might change but that's what I'm seeing... and Were not pro scouts that get paid to f' this up?...and they will
I dont think Becton gets caught flat footed it looks like he tries to bully people and use his size to shove defenders away.
I went back and watched Thomas and I have no idea where that assessment came from. Hes really good. I think hes our guy.
I stand with my assessment on wills. Those choppy steps will get him wrecked at the next level. Really nice guard prospect
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At least you came around on Thomas... so we have that.
Really disagree on Becton... He's got balance issues and doesn't flow well enough to play in a ZBS. It's all too common of a problem with OTs over 6'5"... and his issues are compounded by his massive chest.... which he makes too available to pass rushers.
I don't see heavy feet under Wills. He needs a kick step but then so does every OT in this class. Closest I've seen to one is the UConn kid. But chopping steps don't get OTs into trouble... hopping does. Joe Thomas chopped... but only after the prettiest kick step in the league was finished.
Wirfs is the one I see moving inside.
But with the news about pursuing Trent Williams and Jason Peters I have to wonder if we end up taking an OT at #10...
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