Christian Kirksey Released
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Higgins if resigned will cover the third WR.
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Have to first ask if there is any context for his tweet...
Blessing in disguise
— Christian Kirksey (@Kirko58) March 2, 2020But his release would not surprise me. No one is going to take his contract on after his missing the better part of the past two seasons.
Have to first ask if there is any context for his tweet...
But his release would not surprise me. No one is going to take his contract on after his missing the better part of the past two seasons.
And I am glad we aren't either. I like the guy and he was decent when he played, but he didn't play enough.
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We are not going to "fill all the holes" in one off-season.
They created a lot of them in one off season....why should't they fill them?
And just out of curiosity.... what would be your list of holes that we now have to fill?
I think it would include 2 OTs, 2 LBs at least, a safety..or 2, Anything else?
IF they are active in FA (which I doubt), and IF they could hit on their top 3 draft picks, they could seemingly fill the holes.
But, if you bring in like 6 new players, combination FA and draft.....it might be fair to say that we could expect 2 of them to NOT end up fitting the bill, if not more?
They created a lot of them in one off season....why should't they fill them?
And just out of curiosity.... what would be your list of holes that we now have to fill?
I think it would include 2 OTs, 2 LBs at least, a safety..or 2, Anything else?
IF they are active in FA (which I doubt), and IF they could hit on their top 3 draft picks, they could seemingly fill the holes.
But, if you bring in like 6 new players, combination FA and draft.....it might be fair to say that we could expect 2 of them to NOT end up fitting the bill, if not more?
They aren't creating holes where holes already existed. Kirksey was a hole. He was on the roster and never played. They didn't cut Schobert. He became a free agent just as he would have had Dorsey been here.
The reality is the money spent didn't equal the production provided. If you argue it was, I'll call you a idiot, and I don't want to call you that.
As has been said, we have holes all over the D. John was a offensive GM. He took a shot on a O lineman who hurt his plan in Corbett. That happens. We need 2-3 O-linemen and the O is good, assuming Baker works and becomes a NFL QB.
The D? We have holes at all three of the main position groups.
On the line we need a edge and a DT.
At LB, we need 1-2 players, and that was even before Kirksey news.
In the secondary we are weak in the deep secondary.
We aren't going to be able to fix that in one draft, but we do need to accumulate more dollars because Garrett and a few others we DO want to keep contracts are starting to rise above the horizon.
Yep, lets keep Kirksey and not be able to keep Garrett. That's a plan. A bad plan, but it is a plan.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
They created a lot of them in one off season....why should't they fill them?
And just out of curiosity.... what would be your list of holes that we now have to fill?
I think it would include 2 OTs, 2 LBs at least, a safety..or 2, Anything else?
IF they are active in FA (which I doubt), and IF they could hit on their top 3 draft picks, they could seemingly fill the holes.
But, if you bring in like 6 new players, combination FA and draft.....it might be fair to say that we could expect 2 of them to NOT end up fitting the bill, if not more?
They aren't creating holes where holes already existed. Kirksey was a hole. He was on the roster and never played. They didn't cut Schobert. He became a free agent just as he would have had Dorsey been here.
The reality is the money spent didn't equal the production provided. If you argue it was, I'll call you a idiot, and I don't want to call you that.
As has been said, we have holes all over the D. John was a offensive GM. He took a shot on a O lineman who hurt his plan in Corbett. That happens. We need 2-3 O-linemen and the O is good, assuming Baker works and becomes a NFL QB.
The D? We have holes at all three of the main position groups.
On the line we need a edge and a DT.
At LB, we need 1-2 players, and that was even before Kirksey news.
In the secondary we are weak in the deep secondary.
We aren't going to be able to fix that in one draft, but we do need to accumulate more dollars because Garrett and a few others we DO want to keep contracts are starting to rise above the horizon.
Yep, lets keep Kirksey and not be able to keep Garrett. That's a plan. A bad plan, but it is a plan.
They aren't creating holes where holes already existed. Kirksey was a hole. He was on the roster and never played. They didn't cut Schobert. He became a free agent just as he would have had Dorsey been here.
The reality is the money spent didn't equal the production provided. If you argue it was, I'll call you a idiot, and I don't want to call you that.
As has been said, we have holes all over the D. John was a offensive GM. He took a shot on a O lineman who hurt his plan in Corbett. That happens. We need 2-3 O-linemen and the O is good, assuming Baker works and becomes a NFL QB.
The D? We have holes at all three of the main position groups.
On the line we need a edge and a DT.
At LB, we need 1-2 players, and that was even before Kirksey news.
In the secondary we are weak in the deep secondary.
We aren't going to be able to fix that in one draft, but we do need to accumulate more dollars because Garrett and a few others we DO want to keep contracts are starting to rise above the horizon.
Yep, lets keep Kirksey and not be able to keep Garrett. That's a plan. A bad plan, but it is a plan.
Garrett will sign with Dallas as soon as he becomes a FA.. Book it!
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
They aren't creating holes where holes already existed. Kirksey was a hole. He was on the roster and never played. They didn't cut Schobert. He became a free agent just as he would have had Dorsey been here.
The reality is the money spent didn't equal the production provided. If you argue it was, I'll call you a idiot, and I don't want to call you that.
As has been said, we have holes all over the D. John was a offensive GM. He took a shot on a O lineman who hurt his plan in Corbett. That happens. We need 2-3 O-linemen and the O is good, assuming Baker works and becomes a NFL QB.
The D? We have holes at all three of the main position groups.
On the line we need a edge and a DT.
At LB, we need 1-2 players, and that was even before Kirksey news.
In the secondary we are weak in the deep secondary.
We aren't going to be able to fix that in one draft, but we do need to accumulate more dollars because Garrett and a few others we DO want to keep contracts are starting to rise above the horizon.
Yep, lets keep Kirksey and not be able to keep Garrett. That's a plan. A bad plan, but it is a plan.
Garrett will sign with Dallas as soon as he becomes a FA.. Book it!
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They aren't creating holes where holes already existed. Kirksey was a hole. He was on the roster and never played. They didn't cut Schobert. He became a free agent just as he would have had Dorsey been here.
The reality is the money spent didn't equal the production provided. If you argue it was, I'll call you a idiot, and I don't want to call you that.
As has been said, we have holes all over the D. John was a offensive GM. He took a shot on a O lineman who hurt his plan in Corbett. That happens. We need 2-3 O-linemen and the O is good, assuming Baker works and becomes a NFL QB.
The D? We have holes at all three of the main position groups.
On the line we need a edge and a DT.
At LB, we need 1-2 players, and that was even before Kirksey news.
In the secondary we are weak in the deep secondary.
We aren't going to be able to fix that in one draft, but we do need to accumulate more dollars because Garrett and a few others we DO want to keep contracts are starting to rise above the horizon.
Yep, lets keep Kirksey and not be able to keep Garrett. That's a plan. A bad plan, but it is a plan.
Garrett will sign with Dallas as soon as he becomes a FA.. Book it!
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They created a lot of them in one off season....why should't they fill them?
And just out of curiosity.... what would be your list of holes that we now have to fill?
I think it would include 2 OTs, 2 LBs at least, a safety..or 2, Anything else?
IF they are active in FA (which I doubt), and IF they could hit on their top 3 draft picks, they could seemingly fill the holes.
But, if you bring in like 6 new players, combination FA and draft.....it might be fair to say that we could expect 2 of them to NOT end up fitting the bill, if not more?
They aren't creating holes where holes already existed. Kirksey was a hole. He was on the roster and never played. They didn't cut Schobert. He became a free agent just as he would have had Dorsey been here.
The reality is the money spent didn't equal the production provided. If you argue it was, I'll call you a idiot, and I don't want to call you that.
As has been said, we have holes all over the D. John was a offensive GM. He took a shot on a O lineman who hurt his plan in Corbett. That happens. We need 2-3 O-linemen and the O is good, assuming Baker works and becomes a NFL QB.
The D? We have holes at all three of the main position groups.
On the line we need a edge and a DT.
At LB, we need 1-2 players, and that was even before Kirksey news.
In the secondary we are weak in the deep secondary.
We aren't going to be able to fix that in one draft, but we do need to accumulate more dollars because Garrett and a few others we DO want to keep contracts are starting to rise above the horizon.
Yep, lets keep Kirksey and not be able to keep Garrett. That's a plan. A bad plan, but it is a plan.
They aren't creating holes where holes already existed. Kirksey was a hole. He was on the roster and never played. They didn't cut Schobert. He became a free agent just as he would have had Dorsey been here.
Sure, but they still could have negotiated with Schobert. (I agree that they were going to have to move on from Kirksey)
The reality is the money spent didn't equal the production provided. If you argue it was, I'll call you a idiot, and I don't want to call you that.
Money spent on who? Kirksey? Sure, any money you spend on someone who can't play means that he did not meet production for the money spent. The question is: would the money they would have spent on Schobert have been "worth it"? I am not sure anyone can tell about that.
As has been said, we have holes all over the D. John was a offensive GM. He took a shot on a O lineman who hurt his plan in Corbett. That happens. We need 2-3 O-linemen and the O is good, assuming Baker works and becomes a NFL QB.
Yep....both tackles and a guard. (How did our OL get this bad?)
The D? We have holes at all three of the main position groups.
In theory the DL should be in good shape with Garrett, Vernon, Ogunjobi and Richardson. The question is: will these guy perform up to expectations? Vernon surely did not. Plus definitely need rotation depth there. And yes, holes at LB and DB, as we have been mentioning.
On the line we need a edge and a DT.
At LB, we need 1-2 players, and that was even before Kirksey news.
In the secondary we are weak in the deep secondary.
We aren't going to be able to fix that in one draft, but we do need to accumulate more dollars because Garrett and a few others we DO want to keep contracts are starting to rise above the horizon.
Can we fix it with one draft....and one free agency period? We shall see if they are going to try. I don't care that Berry and Stefanski are new here, patience is wearing thin.
Yep, lets keep Kirksey and not be able to keep Garrett. That's a plan. A bad plan, but it is a plan.
I have never heard anyone advocating for that plan.....have you?
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Two Safeties... at least two LBs... also need IDL and IOL and blocking TE and 3rd WR "fills"... and then there's depth.
And when I talk "fills" I'm talking about quality starters.
We will definitely be involved in FA.
Two Safeties... at least two LBs... also need IDL and IOL and blocking TE and 3rd WR "fills"... and then there's depth.
And when I talk "fills" I'm talking about quality starters.
We will definitely be involved in FA.
HA ! Hence the probability that Simmons, Dugger, or Tiam's "Chinn" will be a Cleveland Brown. Hybrid safety/lb !
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Zombo said:
I understand it is time to replace him, contract-wise and performance-wise (due to injuries) ...
But don't let the door hit you on the way out??
This guy has bled brown and orange for us. One of the few good players that had to struggle through 1-31 and gave everything he had.
A leader, a fighter, and a guy who outplayed his draft status (rare during this Browns era).
He goes down as one of my favorite players. Good luck to him, Browns forever!
Zombo
--Where has fan loyalty gone?
Consider the source, Zombo.
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Rough stuff. I do understand the move but kinda hate to see it happen. Kirksey really put himself out there and tried to embrace a leadership role. That’s a tough gig and l admire the people that take it on, and he actually looked good doing it. I know the whole availability thing makes that a hard sell. But still...
It may be within the realm of possibilities he re-signs with us on an incentive laden deal. Resume his leadership role and go for it. I’d get fired up over that.
Rough stuff. I do understand the move but kinda hate to see it happen. Kirksey really put himself out there and tried to embrace a leadership role. That’s a tough gig and l admire the people that take it on, and he actually looked good doing it. I know the whole availability thing makes that a hard sell. But still...
It may be within the realm of possibilities he re-signs with us on an incentive laden deal. Resume his leadership role and go for it. I’d get fired up over that.
Believe it or not, he was still voted/named Defensive Captain in 2019 training camp before he got injured again. It means he was pretty well respected by teammates/coaches. Poor guy just couldn't stay healthy. And when you lose Captain Kirk, you either gotta look to Scotty ("I can't get it up captain") or Mr Spock (quiet leader that can put enemies on the ground ie; Schobert)...
My favorite memory of Kirksey was when I attended the game in Nashville where TN got off to a big first half lead. Jake Locker scrambled and scored; but Kirksey laid him out as he broke the plain. It changed the entire complexion of the game. Locker couldn't finish making it so TN couldn't finish us after getting out to something like a 28-6 lead. Cleveland came back and won. Great game to be at.
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Rough stuff. I do understand the move but kinda hate to see it happen. Kirksey really put himself out there and tried to embrace a leadership role. That’s a tough gig and l admire the people that take it on, and he actually looked good doing it. I know the whole availability thing makes that a hard sell. But still...
It may be within the realm of possibilities he re-signs with us on an incentive laden deal. Resume his leadership role and go for it. I’d get fired up over that.
Believe it or not, he was still voted/named Defensive Captain in 2019 training camp before he got injured again. It means he was pretty well respected by teammates/coaches. Poor guy just couldn't stay healthy. And when you lose Captain Kirk, you either gotta look to Scotty ("I can't get it up captain") or Mr Spock (quiet leader that can put enemies on the ground ie; Schobert)...
My favorite memory of Kirksey was when I attended the game in Nashville where TN got off to a big first half lead. Jake Locker scrambled and scored; but Kirksey laid him out as he broke the plain. It changed the entire complexion of the game. Locker couldn't finish making it so TN couldn't finish us after getting out to something like a 28-6 lead. Cleveland came back and won. Great game to be at.
Believe it or not, he was still voted/named Defensive Captain in 2019 training camp before he got injured again. It means he was pretty well respected by teammates/coaches. Poor guy just couldn't stay healthy. And when you lose Captain Kirk, you either gotta look to Scotty ("I can't get it up captain") or Mr Spock (quiet leader that can put enemies on the ground ie; Schobert)...
My favorite memory of Kirksey was when I attended the game in Nashville where TN got off to a big first half lead. Jake Locker scrambled and scored; but Kirksey laid him out as he broke the plain. It changed the entire complexion of the game. Locker couldn't finish making it so TN couldn't finish us after getting out to something like a 28-6 lead. Cleveland came back and won. Great game to be at.
Dammit Jim.......I'm a Doctor, not an NFL GM!
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Zombo said:
I understand it is time to replace him, contract-wise and performance-wise (due to injuries) ...
But don't let the door hit you on the way out??
This guy has bled brown and orange for us. One of the few good players that had to struggle through 1-31 and gave everything he had.
A leader, a fighter, and a guy who outplayed his draft status (rare during this Browns era).
He goes down as one of my favorite players. Good luck to him, Browns forever!
Zombo
--Where has fan loyalty gone?
Consider the source, Zombo.
Consider the source, Zombo.
Was about to say the same thing. I remember that big dumb baby went and cried to the mods because he lost an argument and his only retort was making derogatory and homosexual comments.
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I don't understand how or why this thread in any way represents a contested opinion.. kirksey hasn't been above average in years, let alone performing up to his elite-level contract.
his cap in 2020 is over 9M when his performance will justify under 1m.. seriously it's flat-out insane that cutting this guy is even a question.
His cap last year was 8.2M.. his "earned salary" on OTC [what salary is justified based on performance] was 201k.
If you wonder why we're suddenly up against the cap when just a few yrs ago we had gobs of space.. hint: don't give a backup top-10-starter money.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Kirksey is out
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