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  • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    I wonder why so short...as I said elsewhere, he is only 26. 

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      darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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      Just read about him .....usa today piece saying he could be the steal of FA....I wonder too why just a 1 year deal

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        According to Pro Football Focus, Joseph was ranked as the 49th-best available free agent and one of the top safeties on the market. Take a look at what PFF had to say about Joseph entering free agency:

        A player who has always earned consistently solid grades, Karl Joseph just hasn’t made enough splash plays in his time in the NFL to convince his own team to buy-in long-term or even keep his starting spot secure. Joseph has just four interceptions in four seasons with the Raiders and has forced just a single fumble, but he has hit double-digit defensive stops every season and shown the ability to be a solid force on defense. Joseph has talent, particularly in a coverage scheme that plays with split safeties, and he will likely be available for a bargain fee given how his Raiders tenure panned out

        .https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/15/raiders-ss-karl-joseph-could-prove-to-be-a-steal-in-free-agency/

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          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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          Undersized, former 1st-round, box Safety, who has been writing checks his body couldn't cash, gets a "show us what ya got," one-year deal.

          Works for me...

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            The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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            That is one.....may need 2 more.

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              S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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              Great pickup.  I wanted the Browns to take him when he was coming out If college but he went earlier than expected.

              1 year deal (maybe a bridge guy) to groom or ease the pain of rookie taking over.  I expect a safety really early in this draft. 

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                Great pickup.  I wanted the Browns to take him when he was coming out If college but he went earlier than expected.

                1 year deal (maybe a bridge guy) to groom or ease the pain of rookie taking over.  I expect a safety really early in this draft. 

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                @sdbacker80 said:

                Great pickup.  I wanted the Browns to take him when he was coming out If college but he went earlier than expected.

                1 year deal (maybe a bridge guy) to groom or ease the pain of rookie taking over.  I expect a safety really early in this draft. 

                A ton of safeties in this draft. Should not have to be a really high pick.

                https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Draft-Position-Rankings/Top-College-Safeties-2020-NFL-Draft.asp

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                  darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                  I want Sandejo as another safety signing....top coverage guy

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                    @sdbacker80 said:

                    Great pickup.  I wanted the Browns to take him when he was coming out If college but he went earlier than expected.

                    1 year deal (maybe a bridge guy) to groom or ease the pain of rookie taking over.  I expect a safety really early in this draft. 

                    A ton of safeties in this draft. Should not have to be a really high pick.

                    https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Draft-Position-Rankings/Top-College-Safeties-2020-NFL-Draft.asp

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                    @texasag1969 said:

                    A ton of safeties in this draft. Should not have to be a really high pick.

                    https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Draft-Position-Rankings/Top-College-Safeties-2020-NFL-Draft.asp

                    It's crazy. and complicated.

                    I really like Kyle Dugger in the second round. I have no idea about Delpit's fluctuating value in lists.

                    He's rated #4 in this list. and Tiam's Jeremy Chinn is right up in the top ten, too.

                    Just one list. But my 2nd round draft pick Dugger is hanging in there, so there's that.

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                      tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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                      My problem is not having time to go back and watch the 2017 and 2018 Denver defense. I have no idea how we'll handle safety alignment, depth and rotation.  

                      So I'm kind of flying blind as to who the Browns should either pursue or draft at the moment.  

                      My gut reaction is that we'll see something familiar to what Minnesota does.  Where they don't have a traditional strong v free or left vs right safety.  They'll align based off the ball hash. So likely Karl Joseph (god willing, healthy) will be your boundary safety and TBD will be your field safety.

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                        My problem is not having time to go back and watch the 2017 and 2018 Denver defense. I have no idea how we'll handle safety alignment, depth and rotation.  

                        So I'm kind of flying blind as to who the Browns should either pursue or draft at the moment.  

                        My gut reaction is that we'll see something familiar to what Minnesota does.  Where they don't have a traditional strong v free or left vs right safety.  They'll align based off the ball hash. So likely Karl Joseph (god willing, healthy) will be your boundary safety and TBD will be your field safety.

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                        @tiamat63 said:

                        My gut reaction is that we'll see something familiar to what Minnesota does.  Where they don't have a traditional strong v free or left vs right safety.  They'll align based off the ball hash. So likely Karl Joseph (god willing, healthy) will be your boundary safety and TBD will be your field safety.

                        Interesting article, since I don't know that much a difference about field vs boundary safety play, lol, but

                        Joseph seems to be able to switch roles on no-huddle drills. I think.

                        https://theozone.net/2018/05/field-boundary-different-interchangeable/

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                          My problem is not having time to go back and watch the 2017 and 2018 Denver defense. I have no idea how we'll handle safety alignment, depth and rotation.  

                          So I'm kind of flying blind as to who the Browns should either pursue or draft at the moment.  

                          My gut reaction is that we'll see something familiar to what Minnesota does.  Where they don't have a traditional strong v free or left vs right safety.  They'll align based off the ball hash. So likely Karl Joseph (god willing, healthy) will be your boundary safety and TBD will be your field safety.

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                          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                          @tiamat63 said:

                          They'll align based off the ball hash. So likely Karl Joseph (god willing, healthy) will be your boundary safety and TBD will be your field safety.

                          I still like Austyn Davis (CAL). I know you like Chin, but is he a field safety kinda guy?

                          Both should be there come our 2nd round pick.

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                            Mr. Make-BelieveM Mr. Make-Believe wrote on last edited by
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                            I love this signing. Hopefully he stays healthy. Aggressive as hell.

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                              @texasag1969 said:

                              A ton of safeties in this draft. Should not have to be a really high pick.

                              https://www.drafttek.com/2020-NFL-Draft-Position-Rankings/Top-College-Safeties-2020-NFL-Draft.asp

                              It's crazy. and complicated.

                              I really like Kyle Dugger in the second round. I have no idea about Delpit's fluctuating value in lists.

                              He's rated #4 in this list. and Tiam's Jeremy Chinn is right up in the top ten, too.

                              Just one list. But my 2nd round draft pick Dugger is hanging in there, so there's that.

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                              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              It's crazy. and complicated.

                              I really like Kyle Dugger in the second round. I have no idea about Delpit's fluctuating value in lists.

                              He's rated #4 in this list. and Tiam's Jeremy Chinn is right up in the top ten, too.

                              Just one list. But my 2nd round draft pick Dugger is hanging in there, so there's that.

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                              These guys all seem bit  6'1...6'3.....except Winfield, who I would like.   Is he too short at 5'9?

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                                all signings today are on 1 year deals 

                                good for Berry

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                                  Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                  Here's hoping everyone quotes that post listing the Safety prospects...

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                                    @calfoxwc said:

                                    It's crazy. and complicated.

                                    I really like Kyle Dugger in the second round. I have no idea about Delpit's fluctuating value in lists.

                                    He's rated #4 in this list. and Tiam's Jeremy Chinn is right up in the top ten, too.

                                    Just one list. But my 2nd round draft pick Dugger is hanging in there, so there's that.

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                                    These guys all seem bit  6'1...6'3.....except Winfield, who I would like.   Is he too short at 5'9?

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                                    @the-gipper said:

                                    These guys all seem bit  6'1...6'3.....except Winfield, who I would like.   Is he too short at 5'9?

                                    Ask Bob Sanders.

                                    @calfoxwc said:

                                    Interesting article, since I don't know that much a difference about field vs boundary safety play, lol, but

                                    Joseph seems to be able to switch roles on no-huddle drills. I think.

                                    https://theozone.net/2018/05/field-boundary-different-interchangeable/

                                    That's the idea in boundary vs field - to an extent.  Field safety has more ground and usually more route combinations to diagnose on his side of the field.   Teams that play for space 90% of the time put their strength to the field (wide) side.   The idea behind the quarters system was to begin combating the 3 and 4 fast threat sets that were the norm throughout college ball.  You have more space to cover, more receivers to cover, so you need athletes unlike the traditional "strong" safety.  Somebody who can support run, but can cover first and foremost which allows defenses to keep a box count that limits the interior runs.     Though your boundary safety may typically be your "bigger" body.    I.E.  Harrison Smith,  Derwin James, etc etc.  They can cover, but they can come up and hit you.   And having them to the boundary makes things easier in coverage because there is less field for receivers and less room for patterns to develop.

                                    @tour2ma said:

                                    I still like Austyn Davis (CAL). I know you like Chin, but is he a field safety kinda guy?

                                    Both should be there come our 2nd round pick.

                                    Haven't watched a damn second of Davis yet I'm afraid.   But will as soon as I can.       As for Chinn...  maybe eventually?  I noted he would be best right now as your big nickel, sub LB and yes, boundary safety.  His best attributes at the moment, especially given his size, are his man coverage ability and closing on the ball.   Like I said, I still have to give @calfoxwc credit because he is right, Dugger is a hell of an athlete as well.   But for the moment I like Chinn's feet and hand usage are a good deal better.    Both have very high ceilings, but I often like making my safe picks based on the comparative lows of their respective floors.  At worst I think Chinn is will be an average player who would be effective against bigger receivers because of his superior lateral movement and hip fluidity.  Dugger might just be the next Taylor Mays on his version of the low end.

                                    I'll get back to you about Davis though this weekend.  

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                                      I'll look forward to it...

                                      Try as I do, I just can't get a feel for Safety play evaluation beyond the more universal stuff like play diagnosis and tackling and the 2ndary hip flip thing.

                                      And it never helps that DBs... and especially field Safeties... tend to disappear from the screen during most pass plays.

                                      Austyn seems to play a fair amount of single-high in a fairly amorphous Cal Defense.

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                                        I'll look forward to it...

                                        Try as I do, I just can't get a feel for Safety play evaluation beyond the more universal stuff like play diagnosis and tackling and the 2ndary hip flip thing.

                                        And it never helps that DBs... and especially field Safeties... tend to disappear from the screen during most pass plays.

                                        Austyn seems to play a fair amount of single-high in a fairly amorphous Cal Defense.

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                                        @tour2ma said:

                                        I'll look forward to it...

                                        Try as I do, I just can't get a feel for Safety play evaluation beyond the more universal stuff like play diagnosis and tackling and the 2ndary hip flip thing.

                                        And it never helps that DBs... and especially field Safeties... tend to disappear from the screen during most pass plays.

                                        Austyn seems to play a fair amount of single-high in a fairly amorphous Cal Defense.

                                        I do all that I can to find all 22 or coaches cam views.  Even if I have to comb through whole games.

                                        Watching a bit of the game vs Ole miss.  Almost exclusively single high and playing from the boundary hash so far.    Seems like they love a bit of cover 3.

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