Browns Biggest Draft Needs, Post Free Agency
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Should be pretty straightforward
1. LT. 2. Safety 3. Pass Rusher. 3. A Joe Show clone. 4. Interior Line Depth on both sides C/G, DT.
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Should be pretty straightforward
1. LT. 2. Safety 3. Pass Rusher. 3. A Joe Show clone. 4. Interior Line Depth on both sides C/G, DT.
Should be pretty straightforward
1. LT. 2. Safety 3. Pass Rusher. 3. A Joe Show clone. 4. Interior Line Depth on both sides C/G, DT.
this ^^ & a open bar if and when we don't..
straightforward...let browns fans internet poll the pick in round 7 just before Mr Irrelevant..Can't go as wrong as many..
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If we can get Griffen on a 1 year 7m deal it would allow us to cut Vernon and his 15m salary which would leave a surplus of 8m to use elsewhere ...... Alex Ogletree ?
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Should be pretty straightforward
1. LT. 2. Safety 3. Pass Rusher. 3. A Joe Show clone. 4. Interior Line Depth on both sides C/G, DT.
Should be pretty straightforward
1. LT. 2. Safety 3. Pass Rusher. 3. A Joe Show clone. 4. Interior Line Depth on both sides C/G, DT.
There's "in theory"... and then there's "in practice".
Love to see your mock... cause you seem to have some football smarts, but based on what I've seen there's a lot of quality available to make your Rounds 1 and 2 go the way you scripted them, but I think Round 3 is uncooperative.
Here's what I am seeing:
- This a bad draft for 4-3 Edge rushers. All of those I've looked at as Day 2 candidates come with "Slow out of the blocks" or similar assessment attached.
- And while the LB class is better... all the quality will be gone by the end of Round 2. Main name I see with a chance of falling to Round 3 is problem child, Willie Gay, Jr., who is going to get red-flagged by a bunch of teams.
- Conversely two of the deepest positions in this draft are OT and Safety. While OT is top heavy, but rapidly thins beyond Round 2, Safety value is really amassed in Day 2 with some spillover into Day 3.
Edit: gumby... feel free to chime in as well...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I got nothing on a draft edge-rusher.. note why Vernon is still here & might be best we'll see...but still don't mean we won't use his pay to pay another one with a cleaner bill of health via FA options.. (Just started watching Darrell Taylor at Tenn.(#7 DE on some position boards. am liking what am seeing, stock up^ also, a injury recovery Julian Okwara ND, still may slip)
We can only hope one of a average DE or better drafting high LB class may slide to day 2, but we better find a trade up partner to go up from pick 41..so, at what price ya willing to pay and for small list of whom?
more than half the teams have a prime/secondary draft need of OL and S.. FA OL signings seem higher, so most good are gone, but Trent & Peters dreaming of a gm panic paydays.. what's left is a lot of FA Safeties as a option. Most may sit till a good class of safety's get drafted..
am not willing to guess on what BB&T (Brainy Berry's Team) might be banking on next...but i do hope they continue to let Woods & Callahan & others voices to be heard as a opinion
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Should be pretty straightforward
1. LT. 2. Safety 3. Pass Rusher. 3. A Joe Show clone. 4. Interior Line Depth on both sides C/G, DT.
There's "in theory"... and then there's "in practice".
Love to see your mock... cause you seem to have some football smarts, but based on what I've seen there's a lot of quality available to make your Rounds 1 and 2 go the way you scripted them, but I think Round 3 is uncooperative.
Here's what I am seeing:
- This a bad draft for 4-3 Edge rushers. All of those I've looked at as Day 2 candidates come with "Slow out of the blocks" or similar assessment attached.
- And while the LB class is better... all the quality will be gone by the end of Round 2. Main name I see with a chance of falling to Round 3 is problem child, Willie Gay, Jr., who is going to get red-flagged by a bunch of teams.
- Conversely two of the deepest positions in this draft are OT and Safety. While OT is top heavy, but rapidly thins beyond Round 2, Safety value is really amassed in Day 2 with some spillover into Day 3.
Edit: gumby... feel free to chime in as well...
Here's what I am seeing:
- And while the LB class is better... all the quality will be gone by the end of Round 2. Main name I see with a chance of falling to Round 3 is problem child, Willie Gay, Jr., who is going to get red-flagged by a bunch of teams.
Might be the time for Berry to try a trade with the Bills for a LB? They just added Mario Addison, AJ Klien & now former steeler Tyler Matakevich to now roster 9 LBers.. Bills LB Matt Milano will come off his rookie deal in 2021 as a 5th round pick .. Milano shows a 2019 Pff player grade of 65.4 with 101 tackles last season..112 ST snaps... Sure it takes two to make a deal. But Bills might need a CB-Edge-RB-TE or WR...do we know of any trade-able? they talked to Higgins who walked.. Don't see Hunt with Singletary there.. We could toss a 3rd?... or Njoku? ?
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Here's what I am seeing:
- And while the LB class is better... all the quality will be gone by the end of Round 2. Main name I see with a chance of falling to Round 3 is problem child, Willie Gay, Jr., who is going to get red-flagged by a bunch of teams.
Might be the time for Berry to try a trade with the Bills for a LB? They just added Mario Addison, AJ Klien & now former steeler Tyler Matakevich to now roster 9 LBers.. Bills LB Matt Milano will come off his rookie deal in 2021 as a 5th round pick .. Milano shows a 2019 Pff player grade of 65.4 with 101 tackles last season..112 ST snaps... Sure it takes two to make a deal. But Bills might need a CB-Edge-RB-TE or WR...do we know of any trade-able? they talked to Higgins who walked.. Don't see Hunt with Singletary there.. We could toss a 3rd?... or Njoku? ?
Might be the time for Berry to try a trade with the Bills for a LB? They just added Mario Addison, AJ Klien & now former steeler Tyler Matakevich to now roster 9 LBers.. Bills LB Matt Milano will come off his rookie deal in 2021 as a 5th round pick .. Milano shows a 2019 Pff player grade of 65.4 with 101 tackles last season..112 ST snaps... Sure it takes two to make a deal. But Bills might need a CB-Edge-RB-TE or WR...do we know of any trade-able? they talked to Higgins who walked.. Don't see Hunt with Singletary there.. We could toss a 3rd?... or Njoku? ?
I picked an OT for the Browns in round 1 of our Browns Board draft.
Who might you say Browns/me for my pick should think about at LB in Round 2? With like the #42 pick. I am just starting to look at it for when I get back on the clock with the Browns......What would be your thoughts?
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Should be pretty straightforward
1. LT. 2. Safety 3. Pass Rusher. 3. A Joe Show clone. 4. Interior Line Depth on both sides C/G, DT.
There's "in theory"... and then there's "in practice".
Love to see your mock... cause you seem to have some football smarts, but based on what I've seen there's a lot of quality available to make your Rounds 1 and 2 go the way you scripted them, but I think Round 3 is uncooperative.
Here's what I am seeing:
- This a bad draft for 4-3 Edge rushers. All of those I've looked at as Day 2 candidates come with "Slow out of the blocks" or similar assessment attached.
- And while the LB class is better... all the quality will be gone by the end of Round 2. Main name I see with a chance of falling to Round 3 is problem child, Willie Gay, Jr., who is going to get red-flagged by a bunch of teams.
- Conversely two of the deepest positions in this draft are OT and Safety. While OT is top heavy, but rapidly thins beyond Round 2, Safety value is really amassed in Day 2 with some spillover into Day 3.
Edit: gumby... feel free to chime in as well...
There's "in theory"... and then there's "in practice".
Love to see your mock... cause you seem to have some football smarts, but based on what I've seen there's a lot of quality available to make your Rounds 1 and 2 go the way you scripted them, but I think Round 3 is uncooperative.
Here's what I am seeing:
- This a bad draft for 4-3 Edge rushers. All of those I've looked at as Day 2 candidates come with "Slow out of the blocks" or similar assessment attached.
- And while the LB class is better... all the quality will be gone by the end of Round 2. Main name I see with a chance of falling to Round 3 is problem child, Willie Gay, Jr., who is going to get red-flagged by a bunch of teams.
- Conversely two of the deepest positions in this draft are OT and Safety. While OT is top heavy, but rapidly thins beyond Round 2, Safety value is really amassed in Day 2 with some spillover into Day 3.
Edit: gumby... feel free to chime in as well...
Thanks man!
I think I know what we need. I watched more CFB than I ever have. But I was just not into the Combine this year and some of the post season Sr. Bowl and other all star games. Next few weeks I’ll dive into it a little more.
I got my first round bust- Austin Jackson T USC I think he’s going to struggle with speed at the next level.
Steal...I watched A lot of Wisconsin and Zack Baun initially thought Probably a 2nd 3rd round guy will just test okay but will be Pro Bowler at the next level and now experts are pushing him into Day 1.
Of course I follow OSU a lot and I think Austin Mack WR is a 6th 7th round guy probably a great 3rd WR type on a lot of rosters.
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There's "in theory"... and then there's "in practice".
Love to see your mock... cause you seem to have some football smarts, but based on what I've seen there's a lot of quality available to make your Rounds 1 and 2 go the way you scripted them, but I think Round 3 is uncooperative.
Here's what I am seeing:
- This a bad draft for 4-3 Edge rushers. All of those I've looked at as Day 2 candidates come with "Slow out of the blocks" or similar assessment attached.
- And while the LB class is better... all the quality will be gone by the end of Round 2. Main name I see with a chance of falling to Round 3 is problem child, Willie Gay, Jr., who is going to get red-flagged by a bunch of teams.
- Conversely two of the deepest positions in this draft are OT and Safety. While OT is top heavy, but rapidly thins beyond Round 2, Safety value is really amassed in Day 2 with some spillover into Day 3.
Edit: gumby... feel free to chime in as well...
Thanks man!
I think I know what we need. I watched more CFB than I ever have. But I was just not into the Combine this year and some of the post season Sr. Bowl and other all star games. Next few weeks I’ll dive into it a little more.
I got my first round bust- Austin Jackson T USC I think he’s going to struggle with speed at the next level.
Steal...I watched A lot of Wisconsin and Zack Baun initially thought Probably a 2nd 3rd round guy will just test okay but will be Pro Bowler at the next level and now experts are pushing him into Day 1.
Of course I follow OSU a lot and I think Austin Mack WR is a 6th 7th round guy probably a great 3rd WR type on a lot of rosters.
Thanks man!
I think I know what we need. I watched more CFB than I ever have. But I was just not into the Combine this year and some of the post season Sr. Bowl and other all star games. Next few weeks I’ll dive into it a little more.
I got my first round bust- Austin Jackson T USC I think he’s going to struggle with speed at the next level.
Steal...I watched A lot of Wisconsin and Zack Baun initially thought Probably a 2nd 3rd round guy will just test okay but will be Pro Bowler at the next level and now experts are pushing him into Day 1.
Of course I follow OSU a lot and I think Austin Mack WR is a 6th 7th round guy probably a great 3rd WR type on a lot of rosters.
Do you know that you are on the clock with the draft?
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There's "in theory"... and then there's "in practice".
Love to see your mock... cause you seem to have some football smarts, but based on what I've seen there's a lot of quality available to make your Rounds 1 and 2 go the way you scripted them, but I think Round 3 is uncooperative.
Here's what I am seeing:
- This a bad draft for 4-3 Edge rushers. All of those I've looked at as Day 2 candidates come with "Slow out of the blocks" or similar assessment attached.
- And while the LB class is better... all the quality will be gone by the end of Round 2. Main name I see with a chance of falling to Round 3 is problem child, Willie Gay, Jr., who is going to get red-flagged by a bunch of teams.
- Conversely two of the deepest positions in this draft are OT and Safety. While OT is top heavy, but rapidly thins beyond Round 2, Safety value is really amassed in Day 2 with some spillover into Day 3.
Edit: gumby... feel free to chime in as well...
Thanks man!
I think I know what we need. I watched more CFB than I ever have. But I was just not into the Combine this year and some of the post season Sr. Bowl and other all star games. Next few weeks I’ll dive into it a little more.
I got my first round bust- Austin Jackson T USC I think he’s going to struggle with speed at the next level.
Steal...I watched A lot of Wisconsin and Zack Baun initially thought Probably a 2nd 3rd round guy will just test okay but will be Pro Bowler at the next level and now experts are pushing him into Day 1.
Of course I follow OSU a lot and I think Austin Mack WR is a 6th 7th round guy probably a great 3rd WR type on a lot of rosters.
Thanks man!
I think I know what we need. I watched more CFB than I ever have. But I was just not into the Combine this year and some of the post season Sr. Bowl and other all star games. Next few weeks I’ll dive into it a little more.
I got my first round bust- Austin Jackson T USC I think he’s going to struggle with speed at the next level.
Steal...I watched A lot of Wisconsin and Zack Baun initially thought Probably a 2nd 3rd round guy will just test okay but will be Pro Bowler at the next level and now experts are pushing him into Day 1.
Of course I follow OSU a lot and I think Austin Mack WR is a 6th 7th round guy probably a great 3rd WR type on a lot of rosters.
You're welcome... No argument on the needs you've ID'd... just pointing out that need order can't set draft order.
On players...
- Agree on Jackson... I think he has OK potential, but not worth a Day 1. Bigger bust potential in my book is Wirfs at least at OT (sorry, Gip). Chance he may work out inside ala Scherff.
- Baun is right on the Round 1-2 cusp and has been for a while. He can stand up at OLB on early downs and then pass rush in dime packages for sure. Problem is our pick s aren't near the cusp.
Have fun....
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Thanks man!
I think I know what we need. I watched more CFB than I ever have. But I was just not into the Combine this year and some of the post season Sr. Bowl and other all star games. Next few weeks I’ll dive into it a little more.
I got my first round bust- Austin Jackson T USC I think he’s going to struggle with speed at the next level.
Steal...I watched A lot of Wisconsin and Zack Baun initially thought Probably a 2nd 3rd round guy will just test okay but will be Pro Bowler at the next level and now experts are pushing him into Day 1.
Of course I follow OSU a lot and I think Austin Mack WR is a 6th 7th round guy probably a great 3rd WR type on a lot of rosters.
You're welcome... No argument on the needs you've ID'd... just pointing out that need order can't set draft order.
On players...
- Agree on Jackson... I think he has OK potential, but not worth a Day 1. Bigger bust potential in my book is Wirfs at least at OT (sorry, Gip). Chance he may work out inside ala Scherff.
- Baun is right on the Round 1-2 cusp and has been for a while. He can stand up at OLB on early downs and then pass rush in dime packages for sure. Problem is our pick s aren't near the cusp.
Have fun....
You're welcome... No argument on the needs you've ID'd... just pointing out that need order can't set draft order.
On players...
- Agree on Jackson... I think he has OK potential, but not worth a Day 1. Bigger bust potential in my book is Wirfs at least at OT (sorry, Gip). Chance he may work out inside ala Scherff.
- Experts disagree with you. I had considered Becton, but I just thought he had more bust potential, being so huge and all, and they rated Wirfs higher. I also thought that Iowa OL seem to have a good record.
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You're welcome... No argument on the needs you've ID'd... just pointing out that need order can't set draft order.
On players...
- Agree on Jackson... I think he has OK potential, but not worth a Day 1. Bigger bust potential in my book is Wirfs at least at OT (sorry, Gip). Chance he may work out inside ala Scherff.
- Experts disagree with you. I had considered Becton, but I just thought he had more bust potential, being so huge and all, and they rated Wirfs higher. I also thought that Iowa OL seem to have a good record.
Experts disagree with you. I had considered Becton, but I just thought he had more bust potential, being so huge and all, and they rated Wirfs higher. I also thought that Iowa OL seem to have a good record.
I'm well aware that many do... maybe even most.
One of the hazards of doing your own work... forming your own opinions.
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When I did my mock, well before the combine - I knew I'd be disagreed with. lol
I disagreed with myself, often, in studying each pick at length, then trying to figure who would
be there, and who would be gone, etc etc etc.
Then there is the "can I get about as good a player later?" question.
My biggest struggle was the 2nd round - it was tempting to take a wr - that class is deep, and first round quality
will surely be there. But I ended up wishing Simmons would fall to ten in the first round, but couldn't make it make sense.
So, I looked at some of the top big safety/lb hybrids - and I ended up with Dugger in the second round.
I admit I never even looked at Tiam's Jeremy Chinn - who really is right up there in "special player" status.
SD, I'd love to see your mock. It's complicated to do one. Even the "experts" on TV get all the picks wrong often.
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Might be the time for Berry to try a trade with the Bills for a LB? They just added Mario Addison, AJ Klien & now former steeler Tyler Matakevich to now roster 9 LBers.. Bills LB Matt Milano will come off his rookie deal in 2021 as a 5th round pick .. Milano shows a 2019 Pff player grade of 65.4 with 101 tackles last season..112 ST snaps... Sure it takes two to make a deal. But Bills might need a CB-Edge-RB-TE or WR...do we know of any trade-able? they talked to Higgins who walked.. Don't see Hunt with Singletary there.. We could toss a 3rd?... or Njoku? ?
I picked an OT for the Browns in round 1 of our Browns Board draft.
Who might you say Browns/me for my pick should think about at LB in Round 2? With like the #42 pick. I am just starting to look at it for when I get back on the clock with the Browns......What would be your thoughts?
I picked an OT for the Browns in round 1 of our Browns Board draft.
Who might you say Browns/me for my pick should think about at LB in Round 2? With like the #42 pick. I am just starting to look at it for when I get back on the clock with the Browns......What would be your thoughts?
I'd have taken Thomas from Georgia. Time will tell if one shows better than the other. But when flipping a coin I go with NFL, Jr.-the SEC. They consistently lead all leagues overall at draft time. And he has tons of experience blocking for good Georgia backs.
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When I did my mock, well before the combine - I knew I'd be disagreed with. lol
I disagreed with myself, often, in studying each pick at length, then trying to figure who would
be there, and who would be gone, etc etc etc.
Then there is the "can I get about as good a player later?" question.
My biggest struggle was the 2nd round - it was tempting to take a wr - that class is deep, and first round quality
will surely be there. But I ended up wishing Simmons would fall to ten in the first round, but couldn't make it make sense.
So, I looked at some of the top big safety/lb hybrids - and I ended up with Dugger in the second round.
I admit I never even looked at Tiam's Jeremy Chinn - who really is right up there in "special player" status.
SD, I'd love to see your mock. It's complicated to do one. Even the "experts" on TV get all the picks wrong often.
Initially I was in Wills camp... then I did more work on Thomas. He became my #1 OT in this draft... and among the consensus top 4 it wasn't a tough decision, but Wills was still an option at #10... the only other option.
Then I saw Jones... and now this consensus #5 OT is my 1b to Thomas' 1a.
Sometimes you have to plow your own field.
When I did my mock, well before the combine - I knew I'd be disagreed with. lol
I disagreed with myself, often, in studying each pick at length, then trying to figure who would be there, and who would be gone, etc etc etc.
Then there is the "can I get about as good a player later?" question.
My biggest struggle was the 2nd round - it was tempting to take a wr - that class is deep, and first round quality will surely be there. But I ended up wishing Simmons would fall to ten in the first round, but couldn't make it make sense.
So, I looked at some of the top big safety/lb hybrids - and I ended up with Dugger in the second round. I admit I never even looked at Tiam's Jeremy Chinn - who really is right up there in "special player" status.
SD, I'd love to see your mock. It's complicated to do one. Even the "experts" on TV get all the picks wrong often.
And you were on Dugger before I was... tia, found Chin... that's how it works around here.
It's like a pot luck dinner... and just like a pot luck sometimes we like what other folk bring... and sometimes not so much.
I'm trying to remember who I "brought to the table" this year. Gordon (QB) was five or so months ago around mid-season.
Can't take credit for Muti.... that was PFF. Fairly shallow dives, but Lemieux (OG, Oregon) and Peart (OT, UConn) qualify. My deepest dive this season has to be Benito Jones (DT, Ole Miss), but his disappointing Combine ended up not aligning with what I thought I saw on tape. However, even in Benito's case he rose on some lists I follow... all the way from a late 7th rounder to a late 6th... lol...
Oh well... any validation in a storm.
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I picked an OT for the Browns in round 1 of our Browns Board draft.
Who might you say Browns/me for my pick should think about at LB in Round 2? With like the #42 pick. I am just starting to look at it for when I get back on the clock with the Browns......What would be your thoughts?
I'd have taken Thomas from Georgia. Time will tell if one shows better than the other. But when flipping a coin I go with NFL, Jr.-the SEC. They consistently lead all leagues overall at draft time. And he has tons of experience blocking for good Georgia backs.
I'd have taken Thomas from Georgia. Time will tell if one shows better than the other. But when flipping a coin I go with NFL, Jr.-the SEC. They consistently lead all leagues overall at draft time. And he has tons of experience blocking for good Georgia backs.
Well, when I flip a coin it goes for the Big Ten....especially when it come to offensive linemen as it has produced more quality OL/OTs than any other: Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace and many others.
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I'd have taken Thomas from Georgia. Time will tell if one shows better than the other. But when flipping a coin I go with NFL, Jr.-the SEC. They consistently lead all leagues overall at draft time. And he has tons of experience blocking for good Georgia backs.
Well, when I flip a coin it goes for the Big Ten....especially when it come to offensive linemen as it has produced more quality OL/OTs than any other: Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace and many others.
Well, when I flip a coin it goes for the Big Ten....especially when it come to offensive linemen as it has produced more quality OL/OTs than any other: Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace and many others.
True, but we have a Georgia RB who knows how their OTs block already.?
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Well, when I flip a coin it goes for the Big Ten....especially when it come to offensive linemen as it has produced more quality OL/OTs than any other: Joe Thomas, Orlando Pace and many others.
True, but we have a Georgia RB who knows how their OTs block already.?
True, but we have a Georgia RB who knows how their OTs block already.?
Or, maybe we should look for a MAC lineman, since we have a Toledo RB.
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Or get a new coin...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
For What its worth, here is the Browns depth chart on Offense:
WR 80 Landry, Jarvis T/Mia 12 Hodge, KhaDarel W/LAR 18 Ratley, Damion 18/6 15 Montgomery, DJ CF19 RWR 13 Beckham Jr., Odell T/NYG 10 Taylor, Taywan T/Ten 16 Moore, J'Mon SF19 00 Natson, JoJo SF20 81 Higgins, Rashard 16/5 LT 78 Robinson, Greg SF18 LG 75 Bitonio, Joel 14/2 79 Forbes, Drew 19/6 71 Gossett, Colby SF19 C 64 Tretter, JC U/GB RG 77 Teller, Wyatt T/Buf 62 Pridgeon, Malcolm CF19 66 Wright, Willie CF19 RT 00 Conklin, Jack U/Ten 74 Hubbard, Chris U/Pit 70 Lamm, Kendall U/Hou TE 85 Njoku, David 17/1 86 Brown, Pharaoh SF18 89 Carlson, Stephen CF19 TE 00 Hooper, Austin U/Atl 83 Seals-Jones, Ricky W/Arz QB 6 Mayfield, Baker 18/1 00 KEENUM, CASE U/Was 3 Gilbert, Garrett SF19 5 STANTON, DREW U/Arz RB 24 Chubb, Nick 18/2 25 Hilliard, Dontrell CF18 00 Stanton, Johnny SF20 RB 27 Hunt, Kareem SF19 30 Johnson, D'Ernest SF19 Notice that not a single person is in there at Left Tackle. I think that shows the draft priority.
I chose Tristan Wirfs in our board draft, but there are like 4 different candidates: Wirfs, Becton, Thomas, Wills.
Who would actually, really be best for the Browns...in your opinions?
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