Coronavirus and the NFL
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Hospitals were the amplifiers in China - they take it out into community and spread it. However.. Singapore/HK found that if every hospital worker washed hands religiously before and after every patient and wore a basic mask and cleaned all surfaces between patients, the cases NEVER ticked up. In those places they didn't follow people around who had contacted a positive pt unless you had been in close proximity for 30 min..
I am glad that people are reacting.. but instead of running around throwing metaphorical feces, it's time to learn how to do what works both for now and the future rather than wait until that response takes a lot more effort. And for the US to stop thinking of people as ADD who wash their hands all the time both inside and outside of the hospital.. Note that HK and Singapore were ready for this because they got over the "newness" of actually reacting to a pandemic with SARS.
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As of yesterday morning, 11 people had died of this pandemic in Los Angeles county, meanwhile 27 were killed in traffic accidents during that same time.
The entire heard of wildebeests know that they have to get across the river to the abundance of food and that not all of them will survive the crossing. They know some of the weak and even a few of the strong will be lost, but they also know that they have to get across the river before it swells so large that none of them will survive the crossing.
They know that they can't stay on the side of the river that they are already on, because there will not be enough food to feed the entire heard while they are waiting for the river to subside, resulting in the obliteration of the heard.
I have an 83yr old dad, a 79yr old mom, an 80yr old mother in-law and a 25yr old daughter and I'm fully aware of the 1% chance of the fatal consequences of this flu and what it means to each and every one of them if they contract it.
I'm also aware of the absolutely staggering chance that of all of their futures - especially my daughter's, becoming something resembling a 3rd world country with the complete and total destruction of not only ours, but the world's economy.
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Fun fact: Italian death rate for Lombardi isn't higher than normal.
Again: The issue isn't "are people coming down with something" -- better phrased, it's "Are people being affected AND HAVING THE NEGATIVE OUTCOME at a higher rate than what might be expected by chance" -- and to date the answer is a resounding no. Granted, "by chance" is doing a lot of work in that sentence.. but still, facts are fun.
Where are all the coffin off that cruise ship? So.. 10 died out of the 800 who tested positive.. and what's the demographics of the population that goes on cruises? Who wants to bet $5 that those 10 had a med reconciliation list longer than a page? Although we can't say any of those people were certain to fall over when they did.. reality is that we can't say why they stayed alive that long either.
The problem from the medical perspective is.. this isn't actually kicking up death rates, so from hospital perspective it's just business as usual with patients who are more scared than normal. All this talk about "ventilators" that you hear... As a patient you want to AVOID a vent if at all possible because the stats on those [especially w covid] are something like 90-95% of people who go on a vent never come off.. so that sounds to me like a scheme to bill for more cash rather than actually save lives. It's not ventilators that save lives -- it's testing more population earlier to start interventions earlier. [and avoid sugar in your 20's so you don't get diabetes in your 40's and go on the list of people with a compromised system etc etc]
This is kind of fascinating as a human psychology study : it's like the entire world is rediscovering that nature always wins. Even so.. don't freak out..
Sean Payton is by far the "normal" example of what happens to a person who has the corona - feels like normal flu, improving after a couple days.
The problem from the medical perspective is.. this isn't actually kicking up death rates,
OK... Then why the run on refrigerated trailers in NYC because the morgues are nearly full? I see claims, but no data to back them up. Maybe a link?
As a patient you want to AVOID a vent if at all possible because the stats on those [especially w covid] are something like 90-95% of people who go on a vent never come off.
Nice proviso... "[especially w covid}"... but assuming your percentage is in the ballpark how can you argue that covid is not increasing the death rate given that:
After intubation, 31 percent of patients ages 65 to 74 survive the hospitalization and return home. But for 80- to 84-year-olds, that figure drops to 19 percent; for those over age 90, it slides to 14 percent.Jun 22, 2018Breathing Tubes Fail to Save Many Older Patients - The New ...
Ventilators definitely "save lives"... they buy time for those too weak to breath on their own... time for drugs to kick in when drugs are available.
I know this as both my Dad (back in the late-80's) and Bro-in-law (last year) were on vents while being treated for pneumonia they developed while hospitalized for other reasons.
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Hospitals were the amplifiers in China - they take it out into community and spread it. However.. Singapore/HK found that if every hospital worker washed hands religiously before and after every patient and wore a basic mask and cleaned all surfaces between patients, the cases NEVER ticked up. In those places they didn't follow people around who had contacted a positive pt unless you had been in close proximity for 30 min..
I am glad that people are reacting.. but instead of running around throwing metaphorical feces, it's time to learn how to do what works both for now and the future rather than wait until that response takes a lot more effort. And for the US to stop thinking of people as ADD who wash their hands all the time both inside and outside of the hospital.. Note that HK and Singapore were ready for this because they got over the "newness" of actually reacting to a pandemic with SARS.
Note that HK and Singapore were ready for this because they got over the "newness" of actually reacting to a pandemic with SARS.
HK and Sing also social distanced and self-isolated despite their gov't's inability to order such measures. Again this appears to be due to a collective memory of SARS carrying over.
We don't have an event we can rely upon... even if we did, we'd probably have forgotten it by now.
And hand washing/sanitizing upon entering a patient's room is now a Best Practice for US hospitals. I know... the one where I had my hip surgery done employs it and asks patients to freely remind any staff that they see skip the hand station by the door to sanitize before they touch.
They are now in the top 1% of US hospitals for infection rates.
Hospitals were the amplifiers in China
Being as how hospitals are where sick people go, has there ever been an epidemic when at least initially this was not the case?
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Note that HK and Singapore were ready for this because they got over the "newness" of actually reacting to a pandemic with SARS.
HK and Sing also social distanced and self-isolated despite their gov't's inability to order such measures. Again this appears to be due to a collective memory of SARS carrying over.
We don't have an event we can rely upon... even if we did, we'd probably have forgotten it by now.
And hand washing/sanitizing upon entering a patient's room is now a Best Practice for US hospitals. I know... the one where I had my hip surgery done employs it and asks patients to freely remind any staff that they see skip the hand station by the door to sanitize before they touch.
They are now in the top 1% of US hospitals for infection rates.
Hospitals were the amplifiers in China
Being as how hospitals are where sick people go, has there ever been an epidemic when at least initially this was not the case?
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Ordered a Chinese take out for delivery. Chinese driver walks down the drive towards the door and I walk down the drive to meet him. He started shouting isolate isolate. I said calm down .... you're not late I only ordered it 15 minutes ago...
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By the end of the day the US will have more coronavirus cases then any other country in the world.
By the end of the day the US will have more coronavirus cases then any other country in the world.
We were ahead of schedule...
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UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson tests positive for the coronavirus.
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We have had at a stay at home order since last Thursday here in CA. We had about half of the people here take it seriously. They posted pictures of crowds at the beach and people shopping for non-essentials. They initially Said exercise and going outside is fine so everyone congregated to the parks!!! They closed those Monday- finally. Loads of people complaining about the lack of testing but they aren’t even taking social distancing seriously. Stay away from people it is pretty simple.
It is getting a little better this week. They’ve ordered fines for people out and about for no reason. I’m a 50% essential employee working half home and half in the office. It is little strange driving in downtown San Diego with a handful of people walking around. Strange times indeed.
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Our office is remote from our main office. We have 13 people total only three are in the office now. Two of the three are can work from home the other is a principle in the company. I have been working from home since last Wednesday. Daughter does not go back to school till May. People just need to stay home and away right now so things can go back to normal sooner.
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We have had at a stay at home order since last Thursday here in CA. We had about half of the people here take it seriously. They posted pictures of crowds at the beach and people shopping for non-essentials. They initially Said exercise and going outside is fine so everyone congregated to the parks!!! They closed those Monday- finally. Loads of people complaining about the lack of testing but they aren’t even taking social distancing seriously. Stay away from people it is pretty simple.
It is getting a little better this week. They’ve ordered fines for people out and about for no reason. I’m a 50% essential employee working half home and half in the office. It is little strange driving in downtown San Diego with a handful of people walking around. Strange times indeed.
They initially Said exercise and going outside is fine so everyone congregated to the parks!!! They closed those Monday- finally. Loads of people complaining about the lack of testing but they aren’t even taking social distancing seriously. Stay away from people it is pretty simple.
NYC has seen same and so is trying an approach of blocking off streets and turning them into pedestrian ways to give folks the room to spread out. Traffic has been light to non-existent so worth a shot.
Also saw yesterday where some grocery stores have taped stripes on their floors that are 6' apart to remind customers and show what spacing looks like.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
They initially Said exercise and going outside is fine so everyone congregated to the parks!!! They closed those Monday- finally. Loads of people complaining about the lack of testing but they aren’t even taking social distancing seriously. Stay away from people it is pretty simple.
NYC has seen same and so is trying an approach of blocking off streets and turning them into pedestrian ways to give folks the room to spread out. Traffic has been light to non-existent so worth a shot.
Also saw yesterday where some grocery stores have taped stripes on their floors that are 6' apart to remind customers and show what spacing looks like.
NYC has seen same and so is trying an approach of blocking off streets and turning them into pedestrian ways to give folks the room to spread out. Traffic has been light to non-existent so worth a shot.
Also saw yesterday where some grocery stores have taped stripes on their floors that are 6' apart to remind customers and show what spacing looks like.
Yes we have the "X" on the floor six feet from the register and the plexiglass covering the cashiers.
I'm wearing gloves at all places- I have a 4 month old at home can't take chances.
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Serious question:
What happens when the world decides to get back to normal because we closed off the planet long enough, and everyone must be virus free by now..... but whoops - we missed one.
Here we go again? Hell no D you dumbass, it would be totally different a second time because....? D, you're stupid, we won't miss one because we are just that good? D, you're an idiot, what we would do then is.....................................................??
Someone help this guy understand it all, and how this right here, right now completely and totally differs from the 2017 -2018 flu season where we lost 61,099 lives in the USA alone https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm and not one of us even batted an eye.
No media links please, as I wouldn't trust a single "journalist" if he or she told me I was on fire, even though I smelled something delicious.
I seriously can't wrap my head around this overreaction, and I'm beginning to think that I need to look for Morpheus and ask him for that red pill.
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lol... sorry... Sometimes I just gotta be me. Well actually all the time... cause who else would want to be?
But i digress... again...
DB...
Setting aside any treatment or prevention drugs, which obviously change the outlook, here's how it could be different.
That guy we miss... if he becomes symptomatic we can react quickly. If he goes to hospital, he'll be ID'd... if he calls in sick with a fever/flu... his work can say "hmmmm" call local health officials and make them aware. Knock knock.... who is there? Test kit..
It's going to be a while even for we short-attention span 'Mericans before we forget the lessons we are learning here... at least for all those who actually learning.
ID early... isolate early... ID contacts early... test test test early... quarantine early... publicize the case early... all leads to nip it early...
The Covid test infrastructure that is still building will be with us for a while.
Hope I helped...
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As I type, we've got almost 16,000 NEW cases TODAY. That's more new cases than all but six other countries have TOTAL cases!
If ya don't have to go out, DON'T. (I'm not talking about going out to your backyard for a little sunshine, of course)
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