That 10th pick
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Great question. I don't pretend to know how each player grades out, yet alone to project that into the pro game, so I will base my decision on position.
I have to go with Brown. A great DL will stop the run, which we need to do badly (and we were really bad at it last year) and it will help a lot with the Dbs.
You don't need a blue chip OT. You need a good OL working well together. Grab one in the 2nd round.
Okudah would be my 2nd choice, but with a DL that has Brown et al, you don't need all stud Dbs, imo.
The front office has me convinced that linebackers are a commodity. The 10th pick is not a commodity pick.
No to a trade down.
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Trade OBJ, HUNT, OUR 1ST OUR 2ND and a second next year. For #2 and Williams.
You are one wild and crazy guy!
You are one wild and crazy guy!
True story
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If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
There are 5 rock solid LTs, take the best one the board, end of story. There will be a worthy LT at 10.
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If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
There are 5 rock solid LTs, take the best one the board, end of story. There will be a worthy LT at 10.
There are 5 rock solid LTs, take the best one the board, end of story. There will be a worthy LT at 10.
Of those 5 "rock solid LTs", 1 of them won't be able to play LT in the NFL, 1 will bust, and 1 will have consistent injury problems.
It's never that easy to say "there's a ton of great guys at the position we need, just take one"
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If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
Easy choice... put this up on reddit just the other day...
I have two prospects on my elite players' list this Draft, Burrows and Okudah, either one trumps even our highest position of need in this draft, OT.
While there are really good and even great OTs in this draft, none are elite. Take any of them over an elite player is to violate BPA principle for need... and that's a draft wrecker.
So I take Okudah and start calling around to see what it will take for me to position myself to take UH's Jones somewhere around Pick 22. If that fails then I take Matt Peart at 41... a slight reach, but one I can live with.
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Miami giving up both picks #18 & #26 to move to #10..not likely, and we would need to give Mia. back maybe a 3rd? am guessing with no chart ..
So, by the chart: #10 = 1300. #18 = 900, #26 = 700. - Doin' the Guzintas - We owe them 300, Our first 3rd rounder (220) and 4th round (64). (If I were Miami I'd want both 3rd rounders (332)). So then the Browns would want Miami's 7th pick in round 5 and we're all squared up.
It would be an expensive gamble that the actual player(s) that you want will be there.
- our second 3rd rounder is compensatory right? So in reality it's like having the first pick in the 4th round. And with 10 compensatory, our regular 4th rounder instead of being 9th is more like the 19th pick in round 4.
So, by the chart: #10 = 1300. #18 = 900, #26 = 700. - Doin' the Guzintas - We owe them 300,
Wrong chart... DePo just rapped you on the knuckles with his sliderule...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
JOE BURROW-QB
CHASE YOUNG--DE
ANDREW THOMAS--LT
TRISTAN WIRFS--RG/RT
MEKHI BECTON--LT
JEDRICK WILLS--RT
JEFFREY OKUDAH--CB
ISAIAH SIMMONS--LB
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN--DT
CJ HENDERSON--CB
XAVIER MCKINNEY--FS
TRADE DOWN FOR LT--JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
above are about 14 can't misses in my draft book..And where I can see them starting. Am leaving Tua & Herbert off this list, cause other teams can unwrap that gift..
I don't see any of the 3 WR's as a pick unless Landry's hip surgery is a mess & we shock the world with taking CeeDee Lamb..but not in this deep draft class before a)Simmons b) A.Thomas
with Watching Woods defense and the holes at LB & Safety and even if A.Thomas was still on the board? I.SIMMONS would be my pick at 10.. maybe knowing if the Skins will take pick #41 for Trent Williams? Or we have a back-up deal on Peters? would have to be considered
The only trade down deal i would consider? Is Miami giving up both picks #18 & #26 to move to #10..not likely, and we would need to give Mia. back maybe a 3rd? am guessing with no chart ..LB Kenneth Murray & Josh Jones or Xavier McKinney could all be had around there..
just one guys opinion, but my gut says Thomas, Becton, Wills or Wirfs will be wearing a Browns helmet..
above are about 14 can't misses in my draft book..And where I can see them starting
Does "can't miss" = "elite" in your book, gum?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Trade OBJ, HUNT, OUR 1ST OUR 2ND and a second next year. For #2 and Williams.
I wouldn't do that, but gave a point just for thinking outside the box...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Wrong chart... DePo just rapped you on the knuckles with his sliderule...
Right....with our Hahvahd Yahd FO....they may have even invented the Harvard chart
https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pages/the-harvard-trade-value-chart
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Does "can't miss" = "elite" in your book, gum?
elite's wear gold jackets... while each draft class can only be as good as it's class..some move to the head of the class, so they won't miss anything.. i call them can't miss to possibly starting at the NfL level..
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Wrong chart... DePo just rapped you on the knuckles with his sliderule...
Right....with our Hahvahd Yahd FO....they may have even invented the Harvard chart
https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/pages/the-harvard-trade-value-chart
Right....with our Hahvahd Yahd FO....they may have even invented the Harvard chart
They is he....
... and "he" is Kevin Meers. "He" left us last summer after being in our FO for about four years.
He went back to Harvard to work on his MBA...
https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
There are 5 rock solid LTs, take the best one the board, end of story. There will be a worthy LT at 10.
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Right....with our Hahvahd Yahd FO....they may have even invented the Harvard chart
They is he....
... and "he" is Kevin Meers. "He" left us last summer after being in our FO for about four years.
He went back to Harvard to work on his MBA...
https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
They is he....
... and "he" is Kevin Meers. "He" left us last summer after being in our FO for about four years.
He went back to Harvard to work on his MBA...
https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
Interesting. Did not know that the inventor of that worked for the Browns. Can we assume that Depo/Berry are more on board with this chart than the Jimmy Johnson chart?
Or, do they bother with any of that? (I guess they would have to bother with it IF the parties with which they are trying to make a trade insist on adhering...to either system.)
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If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
There are 5 rock solid LTs, take the best one the board, end of story. There will be a worthy LT at 10.
There are 5 rock solid LTs, take the best one the board, end of story. There will be a worthy LT at 10.
Exactly the type of decision making that have landed GMs on the unemployment line.
”rock solid”. I think you have good Tackle prospects and in most drafts probably 3/4 of these guys are first round material. This is probably the year where you trade back unless you need a QB or land a guy like Okudah or Chase Young
This is not a top heavy draft IMO.
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I agree with this logic. But there is no way that all 5 of those guys are graded/valued as a 10th overall pick.
I agree with you - but sometimes you are between a rock and a hard place. It's just me - I think Andrew Thomas is that excellent, and is a not worry about him starting- LT from day one.
But, there's demand inflation - and all sorts of teams need LT's to protect their qb's. It's a premium position.
To me, the guy you take in the top ten has to be a dramatic immediate addition and a starter from day one.
Of the top five, I don't see Becton or Wirfs starting at left tackle. Wills - I suppose it would take time to adapt to playing on the left side...isn't as agile, to me anyways, as Thomas and Jones.
Wirfs is amazing, but had an OWI in 2018 - subject as part of an interview maybe....
and Josh Jones, LT ? I think he will be a lot like Thomas, but he'd need more coaching and a strong work ethic, which he has.
It's just that trading down - I would lose Jones for sure, now.
The big question, to me....what if...Derrick Brown or Simmons falls to the Browns at ten?
If I had to decide for a team, could I draft a LT instead of Derrick Brown? In a draft deep in left tackles?
If I drafted Derrick Brown, probably All-pro... could I depend on the backup pick at LT to still be there at ten in the second round?
If the Giants don't pick with their #4 pick, would they nab the second LT I wanted? Bartch ? Peart? would they be there in the third? probably not?
LOL.
This draft is going to be fascinating crazy.
Maybe Canton Mike should rent a big screen TV out in his backyard, and we could all wear masks and sit six feet apart outside.
Hebrew national hotdogs and root beer during the NFL draft first round rocks ! lol
I'll have to go buy my own, have me at home...but that's ok.
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Becton might be there at #10. Isn't he the least experienced LT?
I like Simmons. If he's there I'd take him. Same with Jeudy.
Becton might be there at #10. Isn't he the least experienced LT?
I like Simmons. If he's there I'd take him. Same with Jeudy.
I know it isn't a need TODAY, but man I'd love to add Jeudy.
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I know it isn't a need TODAY, but man I'd love to add Jeudy.
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
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I know it isn't a need TODAY, but man I'd love to add Jeudy.
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
I really hope the Browns find their long-term answer at LT in Round 1. I hope he has a long, productive career.
But I don't want them to force it, and miss on a superior player at another position.
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Wrong chart... DePo just rapped you on the knuckles with his sliderule...
lol, I did a quick Google, it's the 2020 draft chart. Of course, Berry assigns his own values. And in reality, what does a chart even mean on the day of the draft? All bets are off when making deals during the draft.
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