That 10th pick
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If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
There are 5 rock solid LTs, take the best one the board, end of story. There will be a worthy LT at 10.
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Right....with our Hahvahd Yahd FO....they may have even invented the Harvard chart
They is he....
... and "he" is Kevin Meers. "He" left us last summer after being in our FO for about four years.
He went back to Harvard to work on his MBA...
https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
They is he....
... and "he" is Kevin Meers. "He" left us last summer after being in our FO for about four years.
He went back to Harvard to work on his MBA...
https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
Interesting. Did not know that the inventor of that worked for the Browns. Can we assume that Depo/Berry are more on board with this chart than the Jimmy Johnson chart?
Or, do they bother with any of that? (I guess they would have to bother with it IF the parties with which they are trying to make a trade insist on adhering...to either system.)
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If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
There are 5 rock solid LTs, take the best one the board, end of story. There will be a worthy LT at 10.
There are 5 rock solid LTs, take the best one the board, end of story. There will be a worthy LT at 10.
Exactly the type of decision making that have landed GMs on the unemployment line.
”rock solid”. I think you have good Tackle prospects and in most drafts probably 3/4 of these guys are first round material. This is probably the year where you trade back unless you need a QB or land a guy like Okudah or Chase Young
This is not a top heavy draft IMO.
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I agree with this logic. But there is no way that all 5 of those guys are graded/valued as a 10th overall pick.
I agree with you - but sometimes you are between a rock and a hard place. It's just me - I think Andrew Thomas is that excellent, and is a not worry about him starting- LT from day one.
But, there's demand inflation - and all sorts of teams need LT's to protect their qb's. It's a premium position.
To me, the guy you take in the top ten has to be a dramatic immediate addition and a starter from day one.
Of the top five, I don't see Becton or Wirfs starting at left tackle. Wills - I suppose it would take time to adapt to playing on the left side...isn't as agile, to me anyways, as Thomas and Jones.
Wirfs is amazing, but had an OWI in 2018 - subject as part of an interview maybe....
and Josh Jones, LT ? I think he will be a lot like Thomas, but he'd need more coaching and a strong work ethic, which he has.
It's just that trading down - I would lose Jones for sure, now.
The big question, to me....what if...Derrick Brown or Simmons falls to the Browns at ten?
If I had to decide for a team, could I draft a LT instead of Derrick Brown? In a draft deep in left tackles?
If I drafted Derrick Brown, probably All-pro... could I depend on the backup pick at LT to still be there at ten in the second round?
If the Giants don't pick with their #4 pick, would they nab the second LT I wanted? Bartch ? Peart? would they be there in the third? probably not?
LOL.
This draft is going to be fascinating crazy.
Maybe Canton Mike should rent a big screen TV out in his backyard, and we could all wear masks and sit six feet apart outside.
Hebrew national hotdogs and root beer during the NFL draft first round rocks ! lol
I'll have to go buy my own, have me at home...but that's ok.
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Becton might be there at #10. Isn't he the least experienced LT?
I like Simmons. If he's there I'd take him. Same with Jeudy.
Becton might be there at #10. Isn't he the least experienced LT?
I like Simmons. If he's there I'd take him. Same with Jeudy.
I know it isn't a need TODAY, but man I'd love to add Jeudy.
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I know it isn't a need TODAY, but man I'd love to add Jeudy.
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
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I know it isn't a need TODAY, but man I'd love to add Jeudy.
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
I really hope the Browns find their long-term answer at LT in Round 1. I hope he has a long, productive career.
But I don't want them to force it, and miss on a superior player at another position.
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Wrong chart... DePo just rapped you on the knuckles with his sliderule...
lol, I did a quick Google, it's the 2020 draft chart. Of course, Berry assigns his own values. And in reality, what does a chart even mean on the day of the draft? All bets are off when making deals during the draft.
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I know it isn't a need TODAY, but man I'd love to add Jeudy.
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
His "walk up" music:
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If we signed Lamb we could have him trained one on one by Webster ...then we would be accused of sending a lamb to the slaughter ....
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I know it isn't a need TODAY, but man I'd love to add Jeudy.
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
If we signed Lamb we could have him trained one on one by Webster ...then we would be accused of sending a lamb to the slaughter ....
LOL ~ That is some great funny stuff right there !
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If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
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Gotta factor in Wirfs' measurements at the combine were much better than expected - he'll go ahead of Thomas/Wills even though tape might not suggest that. So it's actually very possible that both Thomas and Wills will still be around.
Of course Charlie thinks Simmons will still be around - and if he's not called, that trumps all.
Without Simmons I think it's Wills at LT.
Note that Charlie actually thinks it's Simmons then OG, S, and finally OT.
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There are 5 rock solid LTs, take the best one the board, end of story. There will be a worthy LT at 10.
Exactly the type of decision making that have landed GMs on the unemployment line.
”rock solid”. I think you have good Tackle prospects and in most drafts probably 3/4 of these guys are first round material. This is probably the year where you trade back unless you need a QB or land a guy like Okudah or Chase Young
This is not a top heavy draft IMO.
Exactly the type of decision making that have landed GMs on the unemployment line.
”rock solid”. I think you have good Tackle prospects and in most drafts probably 3/4 of these guys are first round material. This is probably the year where you trade back unless you need a QB or land a guy like Okudah or Chase Young
This is not a top heavy draft IMO.
Young and and Oku long gone by pick 10. Take best LT and call it a night.
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If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
If these were all the options at 10 what would you do .......
ANDREW THOMAS
TRISTAN WIRFS
MEKHI BECTON
JEDRICK WILLS
JEFFREY OKUDAH ( FALLS TO 10)
ISAIAH SIMMONS ( FALLS TO 10)
ONE OF THE ELITE 3 WIDE RECEIVERS, JEUDY, RUGGS OR LAMB
DERRICK BROWN
TRADE DOWN FOR JOSH JONES AND ACQUIRE MORE PICKS
Simmons. He’s made for today’s NFL and gives Lamar Jackson a headache
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They is he....
... and "he" is Kevin Meers. "He" left us last summer after being in our FO for about four years.
He went back to Harvard to work on his MBA...
https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2011/11/30/how-to-value-nfl-draft-picks/
Interesting. Did not know that the inventor of that worked for the Browns. Can we assume that Depo/Berry are more on board with this chart than the Jimmy Johnson chart?
Or, do they bother with any of that? (I guess they would have to bother with it IF the parties with which they are trying to make a trade insist on adhering...to either system.)
Interesting. Did not know that the inventor of that worked for the Browns. Can we assume that Depo/Berry are more on board with this chart than the Jimmy Johnson chart?
Or, do they bother with any of that? (I guess they would have to bother with it IF the parties with which they are trying to make a trade insist on adhering...to either system.)
First have to stress that these are guides or valuing picks relative to one another in a vacuum. They are a starting point.
My guess is that he/we have refined Meers' original work annually based upon the additional AV data generated by every season. I'd also imagine that more recent data has been weighted more heavily than the earliest used in his original work from 1980 thru 2005.
Which chart I'd favor would depend upon the direction I am trading (up or down). If moving up, then clearly I want to lean on the Harvard chart. If moving down, then I want to extract as close to the Jimmie Johnson chart price that I can. Early on in the Sashi era, he came close to following this approach. It did not make him popular with other GMs.
Then of course there's:
- the absolute height of the top pick to be involved in any deal, e.g., #1 overall vs. a mid-6th,
- the prospect being targeted, and
- the amount and intensity of the competition for the targeted pick.
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I know it isn't a need TODAY, but man I'd love to add Jeudy.
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
Oh...
My Heart...
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I know it isn't a need TODAY, but man I'd love to add Jeudy.
I would immediately refer to him as Judge, serving up justice in the end zone.
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
In this scenario l would opt for Jeff Okudah. Then l would make him strip for Playgirl or something so we could have...
Bare Okudah
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I agree with this logic. But there is no way that all 5 of those guys are graded/valued as a 10th overall pick.
I agree with you - but sometimes you are between a rock and a hard place. It's just me - I think Andrew Thomas is that excellent, and is a not worry about him starting- LT from day one.
But, there's demand inflation - and all sorts of teams need LT's to protect their qb's. It's a premium position.
To me, the guy you take in the top ten has to be a dramatic immediate addition and a starter from day one.
Of the top five, I don't see Becton or Wirfs starting at left tackle. Wills - I suppose it would take time to adapt to playing on the left side...isn't as agile, to me anyways, as Thomas and Jones.
Wirfs is amazing, but had an OWI in 2018 - subject as part of an interview maybe....
and Josh Jones, LT ? I think he will be a lot like Thomas, but he'd need more coaching and a strong work ethic, which he has.
It's just that trading down - I would lose Jones for sure, now.
The big question, to me....what if...Derrick Brown or Simmons falls to the Browns at ten?
If I had to decide for a team, could I draft a LT instead of Derrick Brown? In a draft deep in left tackles?
If I drafted Derrick Brown, probably All-pro... could I depend on the backup pick at LT to still be there at ten in the second round?
If the Giants don't pick with their #4 pick, would they nab the second LT I wanted? Bartch ? Peart? would they be there in the third? probably not?
LOL.
This draft is going to be fascinating crazy.
Maybe Canton Mike should rent a big screen TV out in his backyard, and we could all wear masks and sit six feet apart outside.
Hebrew national hotdogs and root beer during the NFL draft first round rocks ! lol
I'll have to go buy my own, have me at home...but that's ok.
Maybe Canton Mike should rent a big screen TV out in his backyard, and we could all wear masks and sit six feet apart outside.
Hebrew national hotdogs and root beer during the NFL draft first round rocks !
The part in bold gives us a couple more reasons to sit at least 6 feet apart. Woody's a pretty good sport that would probably be willing to sit downwind from you at Canton Mike's Drive-In theater.
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