Browns picked to win zero games.
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@shepwrite said:
I want this guy's e-mail when we win our 10th game.That should be around October 2010.
Regards
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ahh ... nice to see the annoying sight and smell of stinkyness .. welcome back Steelers Chuck.
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After reading Peter King's article on us being the only training camp he's been to without getting some kind of a positive feeling and all the other writers dumping on the Browns, I have to wonder if its just a vendetta against Mangini because he is such a media unfriendly coach, or if we really are doomed this year. I wonder if Belichik received the same media ovation when he took over in NE.
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After reading Peter King's article on us being the only training camp he's been to without getting some kind of a positive feeling and all the other writers dumping on the Browns, I have to wonder if its just a vendetta against Mangini because he is such a media unfriendly coach, or if we really are doomed this year. I wonder if Belichik received the same media ovation when he took over in NE.
After reading Peter King's article on us being the only training camp he's been to without getting some kind of a positive feeling and all the other writers dumping on the Browns, I have to wonder if its just a vendetta against Mangini because he is such a media unfriendly coach, or if we really are doomed this year. I wonder if Belichik received the same media ovation when he took over in NE.
there's many writers who say good things about the training camp too, but regardless, the media doesn't mean ZIP. last year they were saying the browns were gonna be a strong team, the year before that they said they were gonna be a bad team, this year they're saying we're gonna be a bad team again, so they only make their predictions based on the performance of the most recent season.
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I agree that there is a media bias against Mangini due to the fact that he doesn't make their lives any easier. That's really the reason he was out in NY. The media there is so brutal. I think that it's followed him to Cleveland. Looking closer, you can see that no other new coach is criticized as much in the media without having coached an actual game yet. Yes, his camp is tough but so are others. "Moving The Chains" on NFL Radio said that the most brutal and physical camp they'd been to was Jacksonville's and what kinda flack has Jack Del Rio caught? None...and he's got a .521 winning percentage, has never won his division and is 1-2 in the playoffs.
I don't think that Peter King has anything personal with Mangini because I have found him to be even-handed. Adam Schein (who is based in NY) is another story. It's almost as if Mangini ran over his dog.
Back to the point though. The bottom line is that it's very difficult to lose all 16 games. If you think about it, it's a rare occurrence despite no paucity of bad teams.
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They said it's a possibility, not a pick...and if you look at the teams in the league and tried to figure out which ones might go winless, the Browns would have better odds than others. Although I would replace the Browns and Bucs with the Bengals and Raiders, who are one Carson Palmer injury or one Al Davis remaining alive from complete collapse.
Also, what's up with all this media conspiracy-theory talk? For one thing, it makes little sense--you mean they're not lining up to sing the praises of a team that went 4-12 last year, hasn't picked a starting QB, and has a defense that's been a sieve for the last ten years or so? But now they have a new coach who almost made the playoffs last year and a bunch of players off his team...Miami, here we come! Plus, exactly how does the media make a team lose or get a coach fired? Well, the team didn't play as well because the media was so negative, and then they were always on the coach, which created an atmosphere of losing...
Look: what is the coach there to do? Motivate the players and get them to win. If the team falls apart because Tony Grossi writes an article, then he's clearly not done his job because the team is so fragile. Want better press? Win more games, and shockingly Big Media will shower you with love.
Dennis
The other day a guy called in to a radio station down here and ripped into the host for predicting the Vols would go 7-5: "Why do you guys think it's your job to keep enthusiasm down? I think the team can win eight or nine, but you have to admit you're at least partly responsible if they don't do better than that."
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You're right about the media, Dency. They'll get respect when they earn it. But there are a ton of reasons to believe they'll get better this year from the four wins last year.
1. A deeper, more talented wide receiver group
2. Two healthy quarterbacks. There wasn't much time last year with a completely healthy starting QB not named Ken Dorsey.
3. Deeper secondary with Hood, Ivy and a more experienced B-Mac, Wright.
4. Deeper, healthier O-line with a first-round center and healthy Tucker
5. Maybe the RBs didn't improve much, but Harrison will at least get more touches and we'll see what we got in Davis.
6. The only major losses, Winslow and Jones, have been replaced very well. Specifically Winslow, which was addition by subtraction in a lot of minds
7. A deeper defensive line that also will see Rogers and Williams second year in the 3-4 and Williams' first healthy year. Additions like Coleman and the health of Robaire Smith will prove huge.
8. Additions to the LB crew like Barton and Veikune provides depth.
9. Maybe most of all, a Coach who will instill discipline and maximize talent
10. Easier schedule
I know that's all packed full of optomism, but it's all based on true things.
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While sometimes posting on this board, its hard to not drink the kool-aide... it seems that the media has the opposite problem.
I don't think we're anywhere near off as bad as the article suggests.... But you can't ignore the fact that we have an untested (though potentially talented) WR core, an aging RB, no stand-out QB, and a completely new defensive and offensive schemes....
There's so many unknowns, here. We will just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
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While sometimes posting on this board, its hard to not drink the kool-aide... it seems that the media has the opposite problem.
I don't think we're anywhere near off as bad as the article suggests.... But you can't ignore the fact that we have an untested (though potentially talented) WR core, an aging RB, no stand-out QB, and a completely new defensive and offensive schemes....
There's so many unknowns, here. We will just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
I don't think we're anywhere near off as bad as the article suggests.... But you can't ignore the fact that we have an untested (though potentially talented) WR core, an aging RB, no stand-out QB, and a completely new defensive and offensive schemes....
I agree with most of those negatives, but I don't know if I'd say the defensive scheme is completely knew. It's still a Belichick type 2 gap 3-4 isn't it?
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@shepwrite said:
I want this guy's e-mail when we win our 10th game.I'm not sure he'll care in 20 years...
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Its almost impossible to go 0-16 probally harder then 16-0 but I have a feeling we might seem more teams do both in the coming years thats how uneven the NFL is becomging the amazing thing is how fast a team can bounce back form a 1-15 or 0-16 year to become 8-8 in like a year.
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Allen Patrick has been long gone
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Look, it gets entirely overlooked that our 1ST and 2ND string QB's were out half of the year!!! No team can succeed with this. Now the Browns D was still bad last year, but they could have been a 6 to 8 win team had either Quin or DA been healthy. And I'm sorry, but once your top two QB's go down, i find it really hard to believe many of the players were still 100% motivated. It doesnt take much for a good team to go to hell and quickly. It's so much about confidence and there was none with Bruce Gradkowski at the helm.
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No way they go 0-16. How well they do depends on lot of things out of any one's control. Things look better now, but as was pointed out, both DA and Quinn were down last year. You lose key players like that, you're in trouble. A lot of people expect the Patriots to automatically go back to the SB because Brady's back. Depends on what happens through the season. What if he goes out in the first game again? Browns RIGHT NOW look way better than last year, but staying uninjured is important to that look. Cross your fingers.
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