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The Browns have had some lousy duds when it comes to high profile players. Remember when Kellen Winslow was a rookie, wow he had issues from the beginning. And our most recent flop was Johnny Manziel. I always wondered how good of a player he may have been if he didn't act like a wild child and his care-free life style. Over the years it seemed like the Browns picked a player of high hopes, and they ended up being let go 2 yrs later.
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I know mentioning the Patriots can cause many fans to grit their teeth and shun the thoughts of Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck, but if one team can put in plays that for some reason always works to gain yards and win games, how far can the Browns go if this team tries to do it the Patriot way? C'mon we all want the Browns to win games, but is it that hard for this Browns team to win 10 games at least? How great would it be for the Browns to finally make it to the Super Bowl, and win it ?
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If you mean the Patriot way, I'm all for deflating balls, videotaping practices and stealing signs if it results in a Super Bowl appearance.
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Last year this team had all the NFL in a buzz because of Baker Mayfield, and Odell, Miles Garrett and Nick Chubb etc. So many sports reports and tv broadcasters were all on this bandwagon of wins for the Browns, only because of who was on the team, etc. Then the games were played, and then disaster struck. It was like why is this team always getting the losing streak every season. Hell you can't get any worse than losing all 16 games in one season, and then only winning 2 . Why is it that when the game plan looks so promising on paper, and then it turns out to be another flop? And ending the season as losers once again for the Browns historic legacy.
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The Browns have had some lousy duds when it comes to high profile players. Remember when Kellen Winslow was a rookie, wow he had issues from the beginning. And our most recent flop was Johnny Manziel. I always wondered how good of a player he may have been if he didn't act like a wild child and his care-free life style. Over the years it seemed like the Browns picked a player of high hopes, and they ended up being let go 2 yrs later.
The Browns have had some lousy duds when it comes to high profile players. Remember when Kellen Winslow was a rookie, wow he had issues from the beginning. And our most recent flop was Johnny Manziel. I always wondered how good of a player he may have been if he didn't act like a wild child and his care-free life style. Over the years it seemed like the Browns picked a player of high hopes, and they ended up being let go 2 yrs later.
The "wastes" have certainly not been limited to Manziel. Quinn, Weeden, Gilbert, Erving, Corbett, Mingo, Wimbley, Coleman, We got little out of Shelton, Richardson; Braylon...1-2 good years then pfft.
And it is not like these guys really showed much when they went elsewhere. Maybe some minor contributions, but no biggie. Of course, we lost a couple of guys who were good when here.....but also good when they went elsewhere: Mack, Schwartz.
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I know mentioning the Patriots can cause many fans to grit their teeth and shun the thoughts of Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck, but if one team can put in plays that for some reason always works to gain yards and win games, how far can the Browns go if this team tries to do it the Patriot way? C'mon we all want the Browns to win games, but is it that hard for this Browns team to win 10 games at least? How great would it be for the Browns to finally make it to the Super Bowl, and win it ?
I know mentioning the Patriots can cause many fans to grit their teeth and shun the thoughts of Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck, but if one team can put in plays that for some reason always works to gain yards and win games, how far can the Browns go if this team tries to do it the Patriot way? C'mon we all want the Browns to win games, but is it that hard for this Browns team to win 10 games at least? How great would it be for the Browns to finally make it to the Super Bowl, and win it ?
The Patriot Way was simply having one of the Mt. Rushmore of QBs playing for you who is surrounded by solid players....and having a solid if not outstanding defensive scheme also with talented players....and obviously top notch coaching.
In other words, it is not the Patriot way. It is way of every dynastic team that has ever been in this game. You can call that the Bears way (Sid Luckman)....the Browns way, (Otto Graham) the Packers way, (Bart Starr) the Dolphins way, the Steelers way, the 49ers (Joe Montana)way, the Cowboys way, yada yada.
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The Browns have had some lousy duds when it comes to high profile players. Remember when Kellen Winslow was a rookie, wow he had issues from the beginning. And our most recent flop was Johnny Manziel. I always wondered how good of a player he may have been if he didn't act like a wild child and his care-free life style. Over the years it seemed like the Browns picked a player of high hopes, and they ended up being let go 2 yrs later.
The Browns have had some lousy duds when it comes to high profile players. Remember when Kellen Winslow was a rookie, wow he had issues from the beginning. And our most recent flop was Johnny Manziel. I always wondered how good of a player he may have been if he didn't act like a wild child and his care-free life style. Over the years it seemed like the Browns picked a player of high hopes, and they ended up being let go 2 yrs later.
Winslow Jr. was pretty damn good as I recall... then came a motorcycle thing and a freak broken leg he suffered on an on-side kick team. But prior to those injuries... the kid was good... a head case, but good.
JFF? Completely different (head) case... Anyone with half a brain saw what was going to happen to any team stupid enough to draft him. He never had a chance of making it in the NFL... too undisciplined in his play as well as his life... a "style" he had gotten away with at every prior level.
High hopes? Not sure that describes many of the players we picked, but it sure describes the approach of many past FOs...
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I’ve had my username for a long time. Still haven’t seen the playoffs.
This team has so much to be excited for. We have a QB, maybe a coach, WRs, stud RBs, stud DE, promising young corners, etc.
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Winslow was playing bone on bone in his knee by the end of his Miami days. That was a pick, that while produced well for a few seasons, was never going to be a player of any longevity.
JFF? Shitty record in college vs top-50 defenses, had a top 5 NFL receiver and an NFL loaded offensive line to compensate for his physical and mental limitations. It's incredibly rare where you'll see me outright dismiss a player in black and white terms and LOATHE their hype. I've learned It's possible to be wrong, especially given that drafting talent isn't a science. Otherwise this would be a much easier climb back to the top for a lot of franchises.
But Manziel was one of those exceptions. His play on the field was loaded with defensive mishaps, a degree of luck, and an incredible load of undisciplined, sand lot style play. That's just his performance on the field. The dude was an absolute clown off of it.
Even with his mental issues, his potential as an NFL starter will always be in doubt IMHO. Kid just didn't have the good between the ears. I've been thrown out of 2 bars in my life. And when that pick was announced I chugged my beer, slammed a shot of 151, "MF'd" everybody up and down the bar (including the bar tender whom I still tipped well) who cheered for the pick and was politely escorted out.
JFF in the 1st made me realize I knew more than an NFL owner that day.
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I’ve had my username for a long time. Still haven’t seen the playoffs.
This team has so much to be excited for. We have a QB, maybe a coach, WRs, stud RBs, stud DE, promising young corners, etc.
I’ve had my username for a long time. Still haven’t seen the playoffs.
This team has so much to be excited for. We have a QB, maybe a coach, WRs, stud RBs, stud DE, promising young corners, etc.
Were you not around in 2002?
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The Browns have had some lousy duds when it comes to high profile players. Remember when Kellen Winslow was a rookie, wow he had issues from the beginning. And our most recent flop was Johnny Manziel. I always wondered how good of a player he may have been if he didn't act like a wild child and his care-free life style. Over the years it seemed like the Browns picked a player of high hopes, and they ended up being let go 2 yrs later.
The "wastes" have certainly not been limited to Manziel. Quinn, Weeden, Gilbert, Erving, Corbett, Mingo, Wimbley, Coleman, We got little out of Shelton, Richardson; Braylon...1-2 good years then pfft.
And it is not like these guys really showed much when they went elsewhere. Maybe some minor contributions, but no biggie. Of course, we lost a couple of guys who were good when here.....but also good when they went elsewhere: Mack, Schwartz.
The "wastes" have certainly not been limited to Manziel. Quinn, Weeden, Gilbert, Erving, Corbett, Mingo, Wimbley, Coleman, We got little out of Shelton, Richardson; Braylon...1-2 good years then pfft.
And it is not like these guys really showed much when they went elsewhere. Maybe some minor contributions, but no biggie. Of course, we lost a couple of guys who were good when here.....but also good when they went elsewhere: Mack, Schwartz.
Vinny had some big years (pro bowl?) after he went to Balt. (4,177 yds, 33 TDs in 1996). I know, I know, the whole team went there, so I don't know how you should qualify that. Then he spent years at the Jets...up until recently, one of the only QBs playing into his 40's. I know Browns did not draft him, TB did.
Derrick Alexander went on to have some good years in Balt. and KC. (He's listed as 6-2, 200 but he seemed way bigger in person.)
Trent Richardson sucked where ever he went.
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I’ve had my username for a long time. Still haven’t seen the playoffs.
This team has so much to be excited for. We have a QB, maybe a coach, WRs, stud RBs, stud DE, promising young corners, etc.
Were you not around in 2002?
Were you not around in 2002?
Not on the forums but I remember that day...
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Winslow was playing bone on bone in his knee by the end of his Miami days. That was a pick, that while produced well for a few seasons, was never going to be a player of any longevity.
JFF? Shitty record in college vs top-50 defenses, had a top 5 NFL receiver and an NFL loaded offensive line to compensate for his physical and mental limitations. It's incredibly rare where you'll see me outright dismiss a player in black and white terms and LOATHE their hype. I've learned It's possible to be wrong, especially given that drafting talent isn't a science. Otherwise this would be a much easier climb back to the top for a lot of franchises.
But Manziel was one of those exceptions. His play on the field was loaded with defensive mishaps, a degree of luck, and an incredible load of undisciplined, sand lot style play. That's just his performance on the field. The dude was an absolute clown off of it.
Even with his mental issues, his potential as an NFL starter will always be in doubt IMHO. Kid just didn't have the good between the ears. I've been thrown out of 2 bars in my life. And when that pick was announced I chugged my beer, slammed a shot of 151, "MF'd" everybody up and down the bar (including the bar tender whom I still tipped well) who cheered for the pick and was politely escorted out.
JFF in the 1st made me realize I knew more than an NFL owner that day.
Winslow was playing bone on bone in his knee by the end of his Miami days. That was a pick, that while produced well for a few seasons, was never going to be a player of any longevity.
JFF? Shitty record in college vs top-50 defenses, had a top 5 NFL receiver and an NFL loaded offensive line to compensate for his physical and mental limitations. It's incredibly rare where you'll see me outright dismiss a player in black and white terms and LOATHE their hype. I've learned It's possible to be wrong, especially given that drafting talent isn't a science. Otherwise this would be a much easier climb back to the top for a lot of franchises.
But Manziel was one of those exceptions. His play on the field was loaded with defensive mishaps, a degree of luck, and an incredible load of undisciplined, sand lot style play. That's just his performance on the field. The dude was an absolute clown off of it.
Even with his mental issues, his potential as an NFL starter will always be in doubt IMHO. Kid just didn't have the good between the ears. I've been thrown out of 2 bars in my life. And when that pick was announced I chugged my beer, slammed a shot of 151, "MF'd" everybody up and down the bar (including the bar tender whom I still tipped well) who cheered for the pick and was politely escorted out.
JFF in the 1st made me realize I knew more than an NFL owner that day.
Well, I think it is fair to say that the owner, on that day, thought he was getting a stud near the top of that first round. Fact is, that guy was a bigger bust than Johnny...really. Gilbert (so maybe you also knew better than an NFL GM). And the owner at that point was NOT looking at the same thing you were looking for: HE was looking for publicity for his team....for "star Power"....which he hoped translated into $$$$. He was NOT looking at it from the discerning talent evaluation perspective. And, by the way.....he got that: publicity....."star power" (though the attention was not for his on field play)....and who knows if that choice garnered him any actually monetary remuneration.
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The "wastes" have certainly not been limited to Manziel. Quinn, Weeden, Gilbert, Erving, Corbett, Mingo, Wimbley, Coleman, We got little out of Shelton, Richardson; Braylon...1-2 good years then pfft.
And it is not like these guys really showed much when they went elsewhere. Maybe some minor contributions, but no biggie. Of course, we lost a couple of guys who were good when here.....but also good when they went elsewhere: Mack, Schwartz.
Vinny had some big years (pro bowl?) after he went to Balt. (4,177 yds, 33 TDs in 1996). I know, I know, the whole team went there, so I don't know how you should qualify that. Then he spent years at the Jets...up until recently, one of the only QBs playing into his 40's. I know Browns did not draft him, TB did.
Derrick Alexander went on to have some good years in Balt. and KC. (He's listed as 6-2, 200 but he seemed way bigger in person.)
Trent Richardson sucked where ever he went.
Vinny had some big years (pro bowl?) after he went to Balt. (4,177 yds, 33 TDs in 1996). I know, I know, the whole team went there, so I don't know how you should qualify that. Then he spent years at the Jets...up until recently, one of the only QBs playing into his 40's. I know Browns did not draft him, TB did.
Derrick Alexander went on to have some good years in Balt. and KC. (He's listed as 6-2, 200 but he seemed way bigger in person.)
Trent Richardson sucked where ever he went.
I assumed that were were talking about Browns draft picks. Vinny was actually a somewhat proven commodity by the time he got here.
Talk about a waste? Craig Powell....but, at least, he became Baltimore's waste after his contract was assigned to that franchise in the "Modell" move....though honestly, I am not certain he ever made it to Balt. He may have been cut before that.
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Winslow was playing bone on bone in his knee by the end of his Miami days. That was a pick, that while produced well for a few seasons, was never going to be a player of any longevity.
JFF? Shitty record in college vs top-50 defenses, had a top 5 NFL receiver and an NFL loaded offensive line to compensate for his physical and mental limitations. It's incredibly rare where you'll see me outright dismiss a player in black and white terms and LOATHE their hype. I've learned It's possible to be wrong, especially given that drafting talent isn't a science. Otherwise this would be a much easier climb back to the top for a lot of franchises.
But Manziel was one of those exceptions. His play on the field was loaded with defensive mishaps, a degree of luck, and an incredible load of undisciplined, sand lot style play. That's just his performance on the field. The dude was an absolute clown off of it.
Even with his mental issues, his potential as an NFL starter will always be in doubt IMHO. Kid just didn't have the good between the ears. I've been thrown out of 2 bars in my life. And when that pick was announced I chugged my beer, slammed a shot of 151, "MF'd" everybody up and down the bar (including the bar tender whom I still tipped well) who cheered for the pick and was politely escorted out.
JFF in the 1st made me realize I knew more than an NFL owner that day.
Well, I think it is fair to say that the owner, on that day, thought he was getting a stud near the top of that first round. Fact is, that guy was a bigger bust than Johnny...really. Gilbert (so maybe you also knew better than an NFL GM). And the owner at that point was NOT looking at the same thing you were looking for: HE was looking for publicity for his team....for "star Power"....which he hoped translated into $$$$. He was NOT looking at it from the discerning talent evaluation perspective. And, by the way.....he got that: publicity....."star power" (though the attention was not for his on field play)....and who knows if that choice garnered him any actually monetary remuneration.
Well, I think it is fair to say that the owner, on that day, thought he was getting a stud near the top of that first round. Fact is, that guy was a bigger bust than Johnny...really. Gilbert (so maybe you also knew better than an NFL GM). And the owner at that point was NOT looking at the same thing you were looking for: HE was looking for publicity for his team....for "star Power"....which he hoped translated into $$$$. He was NOT looking at it from the discerning talent evaluation perspective. And, by the way.....he got that: publicity....."star power" (though the attention was not for his on field play)....and who knows if that choice garnered him any actually monetary remuneration.
I'm aware of the reason why Manziel was drafted. Star power without the production = nothing. Off season hype, which sold season tickets for one year.
Then investing that pick in Johnny which possibly could have gone towards an actual contributor, somebody that would have helped the team garner some wins - THAT is what effects the base $$$ line. The long term. Instead it was an attempt to make the Browns the cosmetic glamour darlings, which just wound up as yet another failed QB pick to the ash heap. Little by little culminating to our grand eventual demise of the 2017 season.
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The Browns have had some lousy duds when it comes to high profile players. Remember when Kellen Winslow was a rookie, wow he had issues from the beginning. And our most recent flop was Johnny Manziel. I always wondered how good of a player he may have been if he didn't act like a wild child and his care-free life style. Over the years it seemed like the Browns picked a player of high hopes, and they ended up being let go 2 yrs later.
Winslow Jr. was pretty damn good as I recall... then came a motorcycle thing and a freak broken leg he suffered on an on-side kick team. But prior to those injuries... the kid was good... a head case, but good.
JFF? Completely different (head) case... Anyone with half a brain saw what was going to happen to any team stupid enough to draft him. He never had a chance of making it in the NFL... too undisciplined in his play as well as his life... a "style" he had gotten away with at every prior level.
High hopes? Not sure that describes many of the players we picked, but it sure describes the approach of many past FOs...
Winslow Jr. was pretty damn good as I recall... then came a motorcycle thing and a freak broken leg he suffered on an on-side kick team. But prior to those injuries... the kid was good... a head case, but good.
JFF? Completely different (head) case... Anyone with half a brain saw what was going to happen to any team stupid enough to draft him. He never had a chance of making it in the NFL... too undisciplined in his play as well as his life... a "style" he had gotten away with at every prior level.
High hopes? Not sure that describes many of the players we picked, but it sure describes the approach of many past FOs...
He was a 'soldja'.
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Were you not around in 2002?
Not on the forums but I remember that day...
Not on the forums but I remember that day...
Yea....fucking hell....so do I. We have a 17 pt. lead on the road vs Shittstown. Butch goes into motherfucking prevent defense in the middle of the 3rd qtr.....giving those Spermsuckers momentum. (Foge Fazio...RIP...our DC was livid about that). Still, if Northcutt hadn't committed "The Drop" ....every bit as bad in my mind as The Fumble.....worse actually, because at least with Byner the fumble was caused by a good defensive play....here, it was just an out and out Drop. If not for The Drop, we still win that game.
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Last year this team had all the NFL in a buzz because of Baker Mayfield, and Odell, Miles Garrett and Nick Chubb etc. So many sports reports and tv broadcasters were all on this bandwagon of wins for the Browns, only because of who was on the team, etc. Then the games were played, and then disaster struck. It was like why is this team always getting the losing streak every season. Hell you can't get any worse than losing all 16 games in one season, and then only winning 2 . Why is it that when the game plan looks so promising on paper, and then it turns out to be another flop? And ending the season as losers once again for the Browns historic legacy.
Why is it that when the game plan looks so promising on paper, and then it turns out to be another flop?
I got caught up in the 2019 hype as well... and I knew we had OL issues and thought we were weak up the middle of our D.
But virtually no one saw the complete, shit-the-bed show coming that was our ultra-Rookie HC, Freddie... which contributed to the regression of Baker.
But hope springs eternal... and afterall... tomorrow is another day.
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I'd turn back if I were you.... 
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