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  • GorkaG Gorka

    Should have there been an asterisk after this phrase in the Constitution?

    We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.*

    * Unless the safety of the people is called into question.

    In Oklahoma you can now be arrested and fined for hunting or fishing even if you're alone. In Michigan you can be fined and arrested for golfing... alone.

    Supposedly 10,000 in Lansing Mich protesting against their continued lockdown. Protests also in Louisiana, OK City, Kentucky, OH. VA. Protests expected in Pa. after Gov. Wolf vetos a bill that aims to lift the lockdown.

    Considering that the US death rate is only 77 people per 1,000,000 and the new COVID cases flattening, does anyone feel that we've become subjects of excessive government control?

    Just curious about your thoughts on this.

    Something to think about:

    If safety is your highest value then you'll want to hand yourself over to those in government that will keep you safe.

    If freedom and liberty is your highest virtue then you take power away from the oligarchs who want to control you.

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    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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    @gorka said:

    Considering that the US death rate is only 77 people per 1,000,000 and the new COVID cases flattening, does anyone feel that we've become subjects of excessive government control?

    I'm dying (pun intended) to know how you got that number 

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    • GorkaG Gorka

      Should have there been an asterisk after this phrase in the Constitution?

      We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.*

      * Unless the safety of the people is called into question.

      In Oklahoma you can now be arrested and fined for hunting or fishing even if you're alone. In Michigan you can be fined and arrested for golfing... alone.

      Supposedly 10,000 in Lansing Mich protesting against their continued lockdown. Protests also in Louisiana, OK City, Kentucky, OH. VA. Protests expected in Pa. after Gov. Wolf vetos a bill that aims to lift the lockdown.

      Considering that the US death rate is only 77 people per 1,000,000 and the new COVID cases flattening, does anyone feel that we've become subjects of excessive government control?

      Just curious about your thoughts on this.

      Something to think about:

      If safety is your highest value then you'll want to hand yourself over to those in government that will keep you safe.

      If freedom and liberty is your highest virtue then you take power away from the oligarchs who want to control you.

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      RichiswhereR Richiswhere wrote on last edited by
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      @gorka said:

      Should have there been an asterisk after this phrase in the Constitution?

      We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.*

      * Unless the safety of the people is called into question.

      LOL yeah put a * there for something will probably go on for a few months.

      I'm sure there are other who would put an * there for "stuff" thats been going on 100's of years.

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      • GorkaG Gorka

        Should have there been an asterisk after this phrase in the Constitution?

        We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.*

        * Unless the safety of the people is called into question.

        In Oklahoma you can now be arrested and fined for hunting or fishing even if you're alone. In Michigan you can be fined and arrested for golfing... alone.

        Supposedly 10,000 in Lansing Mich protesting against their continued lockdown. Protests also in Louisiana, OK City, Kentucky, OH. VA. Protests expected in Pa. after Gov. Wolf vetos a bill that aims to lift the lockdown.

        Considering that the US death rate is only 77 people per 1,000,000 and the new COVID cases flattening, does anyone feel that we've become subjects of excessive government control?

        Just curious about your thoughts on this.

        Something to think about:

        If safety is your highest value then you'll want to hand yourself over to those in government that will keep you safe.

        If freedom and liberty is your highest virtue then you take power away from the oligarchs who want to control you.

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        @gorka said:

        Should have there been an asterisk after this phrase in the Constitution?

        We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.*

        * Unless the safety of the people is called into question.

        In Oklahoma you can now be arrested and fined for hunting or fishing even if you're alone. In Michigan you can be fined and arrested for golfing... alone.

        Supposedly 10,000 in Lansing Mich protesting against their continued lockdown. Protests also in Louisiana, OK City, Kentucky, OH. VA. Protests expected in Pa. after Gov. Wolf vetos a bill that aims to lift the lockdown.

        Considering that the US death rate is only 77 people per 1,000,000 and the new COVID cases flattening, does anyone feel that we've become subjects of excessive government control?

        Just curious about your thoughts on this.

        Something to think about:

        If safety is your highest value then you'll want to hand yourself over to those in government that will keep you safe.

        If freedom and liberty is your highest virtue then you take power away from the oligarchs who want to control you.

        Just some opinions - seems to me, that as free Americans - it's a sickening overreach to order people to stay inside their homes, period.

        Arrested and fined for going fishing, hunting or ALONE? WTF? That is lawsuit territory, and the state loses. I would like to blame in on democrat sombeitches, but I think the Oklahoma gov is a rep.

         Regardless, what are they going to start doing now? A tornado warning - if they find that you didn't go to your basement, you go to jail and get fined?

          I can see putting out serious warnings and advisories. But this isn't a martial law type of crisis.

        Now, if you are exposed and sick, and you go around and infect people to make some warped political statement?

        Then I would arrest that sicko.

        It comes down to this - a free people have discretion to run their own lives and make their own decisions. Inform em, advise them, but too many politicians don't understand the power of our Constitution...some willingly ignore it - to their serious discredit.

        There are sheriffs who are refusing to enforce these asinine declarations. I saw one of em read their mission - it had to do with the Constitution - not the whims of any politician.

           I've read where "safety" is a lever of power - the gov wants/demands that you be dependent on them for safety - one of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, at or near the top of the pyramid - meaning they must deny as much as possible - gun ownership. So people can't protect themselves. and "guaranteed income" is guaranteed votes and continued wealth and power for leftwing politicians.

          It's the old progressive/marxist/communist corrupt ploy.

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          GorkaG Gorka wrote on last edited by
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          Good insightful comments as usual Cal.

          It's sometimes tough to determine where lines should  be drawn.

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            https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/04/17/yikes-sheriff-allegedly-threatened-teens-family-with-arrest-if-she-didnt-remove-posts-about-having-wuhan-coronavirus/

            something is wrong upstairs with a hack sheriff that would allow himself to be a power-seeking hack. It's about protecting our precious CONSTITUTION. and protecting the CITIZENS WHO ELECTED HIM. that's it.

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              AxeA Axe wrote on last edited by
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              Gotta love the MSM

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                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                First Coast News is an NBC affiliated station. Is NBC MSM?

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                  First Coast News is an NBC affiliated station. Is NBC MSM?

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                  @mld-woody said:

                  First Coast News is an NBC affiliated station. Is NBC MSM?

                  Do I understand your question correctly, are you asking if NBC is part of the mainstream media? Or was that a typo?

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                    Gotta love the MSM

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                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by DieHardBrownsFan
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                    @axe said:

                    Gotta love the MSM

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                      AxeA Axe wrote on last edited by
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                      How did all those people get to TWO beaches on each coast of the country? ? And get their pictures taken in the exact same positions ?

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                        How did all those people get to TWO beaches on each coast of the country? ? And get their pictures taken in the exact same positions ?

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                        @axe said:

                        How did all those people get to TWO beaches on each coast of the country? ? And get their pictures taken in the exact same positions ?

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                        Obviously the plans for the Concord are ahead of schedule

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                          How did all those people get to TWO beaches on each coast of the country? ? And get their pictures taken in the exact same positions ?

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                          GorkaG Gorka wrote on last edited by Gorka
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                          @axe said:

                          How did all those people get to TWO beaches on each coast of the country? ? And get their pictures taken in the exact same positions ?

                          93621786_10157725913182839_2598998368529

                          The one on the right is most likely legit. Reported by the NY Post,  the photo seems to have originated from Gainesville Fla.'s  97.3 WSKY news department.

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                            Social distancing will be for at least 1 - 1 1/2 more years, deal with it snowflakes.?

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                            @diehardbrownsfan said:

                            Social distancing will be for at least 1 - 1 1/2 more years, deal with it snowflakes.?

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                            I assume  you were being funny. Snowflakes? 18 months? Would you like to tell that to MLB, the NFL, and NBA? College football? The NCAA already  took a billion or so hit canceling  March  Madness. The Browns  play games in an empty  stadium,  OK- as a season ticket holder,  I  demand a refund of my 2020 PAID IN FULL  ACCOUNT. Think I'll get it? Fat chance. MHO is there's a pretty good chance the regular NFL season won't  start until November. 

                             From a sports perspective it's a  financial impossibility playing  games in empty stadiums.  For sure,  the Olympics are happening  next summer regardless.  

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                              I think it all depends on what the situation with this damn virus is come fall.  If it slows (if)down in the summer, then comes back again next fall, were in deep shit.

                              "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                I think it all depends on what the situation with this damn virus is come fall.  If it slows (if)down in the summer, then comes back again next fall, were in deep shit.

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                                @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                I think it all depends on what the situation with this damn virus is come fall.  If it slows (if)down in the summer, then comes back again next fall, were in deep shit.

                                It will also depend on how  fast  they can ramp up  testing for the  virus, and more importantly virus antibodies.  We should by fall  have a lot  better  idea of what percentage of cases are mild and asymptomatic compared to the  # of deaths. We already know Corona  isn't  Ebola with a  extremely high  fatality rate. 

                                I've mentioned- is potentially saving X number of people  worth the cost of a 1930s level  world wide depression?  I see it  coming.  Read yesterday very possible 10% of restaurants may permanently  fold with the consequent job loss. 

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                                  I think it all depends on what the situation with this damn virus is come fall.  If it slows (if)down in the summer, then comes back again next fall, were in deep shit.

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                                  @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                  I think

                                  No, you don't. You're just running a boring Bullshit troll act

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                                    @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                    I think

                                    No, you don't. You're just running a boring Bullshit troll act

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                                    @axe said:

                                    No, you don't. You're just running a boring Bullshit troll act

                                    Nah.  If you don't like what I say, tough shit.

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                                      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/18/swedish_epidemiologist_johan_giesecke_why_lockdowns_are_the_wrong_policy.html

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                                        Well it's time for the trumpettes to designate which close family or friends you think should be sacrificed to the new open it up too soon policy. 42,000+ is just not enough for the newer deeper second wave that is sure to come because of it. So fork over!

                                        Oh, you meant someone ELSE needs to go? Fancy that.

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                                          Just when I think people can't get any stupider, I listened to some of these protesters... 

                                          and it what world is it now ok for the President to call for US citizen to "LIBERATE" states? (only the ones with Dem governors though...)

                                          Holy fuck could you imagine the absolute shitshow this board would be if Obama was on twitter telling protesting liberals to LIBERATE red states? I mean, I'm going to post and say I think it is ridiculous and unpresidential, but in that other scenario we'd have a full page of threads by now, and at least one would link Obama to the anti christ. 

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