Trent William's for a 3rd round pick...?
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Well when journos start starting...
If healthy, then Trent solves our LT problem and with #10 freed to trade, we can more than recoup the 3's we'd spend on him so....
... works for me.
Well when journos start starting...
If healthy, then Trent solves our LT problem and with #10 freed to trade, we can more than recoup the 3's we'd spend on him so....
... works for me.
What he said...with the one caveat that we get a serviceable LT as a back-up in case Williams gets injured.
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Well when journos start starting...
If healthy, then Trent solves our LT problem and with #10 freed to trade, we can more than recoup the 3's we'd spend on him so....
... works for me.
What he said...with the one caveat that we get a serviceable LT as a back-up in case Williams gets injured.
What he said...with the one caveat that we get a serviceable LT as a back-up in case Williams gets injured.
I assume you do not count Chris Hubbard there. Or do you? (per Ourlads...he is currently listed as our starting LT)
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I assume you do not count Chris Hubbard there. Or do you? (per Ourlads...he is currently listed as our starting LT)
No. His 'talent' is that he plays multiple positions...all badly.
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The problem with Williams is the New contract demand. Otherwise he’d be traded by now.
i can’t pay him top tackle money for the next 4-5 years
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I assume you do not count Chris Hubbard there. Or do you? (per Ourlads...he is currently listed as our starting LT)
That's about as likely as Hilary becoming a likeable person. Hubbard sucked at RT, never mind attempting to play LT.
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(per Ourlads...(Hubbard) is currently listed as our starting LT)
Think about that for a second... and a change...
Does that make sense to you?
What he said...with the one caveat that we get a serviceable LT as a back-up in case Williams gets injured.
Well if Williams has to play with a spare and a jack, then cancel my order.
I'd be willing to ride out Hubbard's last season as our backup RT, and flip Conklin to LT. Then we can shop for depth next year.
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The problem with Williams is the New contract demand. Otherwise he’d be traded by now.
i can’t pay him top tackle money for the next 4-5 years
i can’t pay him top tackle money for the next 4-5 years
Then front load the contract... doing so fits better with our future cap squeeze anyway.
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Obviously 3rd round picks is better than our 1st rounder......but I still say NO.
We are in a position to possibly get our starting LT for the next decade plus....and for at least 4 years, at a good price. - Let's DO that.
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(per Ourlads...(Hubbard) is currently listed as our starting LT)
Think about that for a second... and a change...
Does that make sense to you?
What he said...with the one caveat that we get a serviceable LT as a back-up in case Williams gets injured.
Well if Williams has to play with a spare and a jack, then cancel my order.
I'd be willing to ride out Hubbard's last season as our backup RT, and flip Conklin to LT. Then we can shop for depth next year.
Think about that for a second... and a change...
Does that make sense to you?
No....because in a previous view of our depth chart....they showed NO LT at all on the roster. I think they just stuck Hubbard there for the lack of anyone else to put there. I still think we have No LT on the roster.....but that will change, somehow.
Well if Williams has to play with a spare and a jack, then cancel my order.
I'd be willing to ride out Hubbard's last season as our backup RT, and flip Conklin to LT. Then we can shop for depth next year.
But who you putting at RT ahead of Hubbard?
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Think about that for a second... and a change...
Does that make sense to you?
No....because in a previous view of our depth chart....they showed NO LT at all on the roster. I think they just stuck Hubbard there for the lack of anyone else to put there. I still think we have No LT on the roster.....but that will change, somehow.
Well if Williams has to play with a spare and a jack, then cancel my order.
I'd be willing to ride out Hubbard's last season as our backup RT, and flip Conklin to LT. Then we can shop for depth next year.
But who you putting at RT ahead of Hubbard?
But who you putting at RT ahead of Hubbard?
Conklin, obviously..
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But who you putting at RT ahead of Hubbard?
Conklin, obviously..
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Conklin played RT exclusively for 4 years at Tennessee. If you put him in at LT and Hubbard at RT you are essentially weakening 2 positions and not improving a hell of a lot more than last year. This is what I'd like to see:
1) If they can work out a decent deal, then trade for Williams.
2) Sign Jason Peters as back-up. He is 38 and made $3.5 million last year. Both salary and age will be compatible for both Peters and Browns as a LT back-up.
3) Assuming you get a decent offer, trade back from 10 to ~15 (with Denver or Atlanta, etc.)
4) Draft all defense and a good OT with your picks
5) Win the Super Bowl
Note- This also gives you flexibility the following year in case your rookie LT can't fit in right away. Everyone just assumes that a highly rated LT will be successful immediately. That's not necessarily true.
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even when LT Taylor Lewan was suspended for 4 games..Tenn. played Dennis Kelly at LT & kept Conklin at RT, after mostly all of training camp to evaluate..I don't see us paying Conklin & T. Williams & a 1st round Tackle ???...I would hope Hubbard was told he would compete at both tackles, but his starting landing spot maybe RG... or draft a damm good RG too
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i can’t pay him top tackle money for the next 4-5 years
Then front load the contract... doing so fits better with our future cap squeeze anyway.
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Conklin played RT exclusively for 4 years at Tennessee. If you put him in at LT and Hubbard at RT you are essentially weakening 2 positions and not improving a hell of a lot more than last year. This is what I'd like to see:
1) If they can work out a decent deal, then trade for Williams.
2) Sign Jason Peters as back-up. He is 38 and made $3.5 million last year. Both salary and age will be compatible for both Peters and Browns as a LT back-up.
3) Assuming you get a decent offer, trade back from 10 to ~15 (with Denver or Atlanta, etc.)
4) Draft all defense and a good OT with your picks
5) Win the Super Bowl
Note- This also gives you flexibility the following year in case your rookie LT can't fit in right away. Everyone just assumes that a highly rated LT will be successful immediately. That's not necessarily true.
Conklin played RT exclusively for 4 years at Tennessee. If you put him in at LT and Hubbard at RT you are essentially weakening 2 positions and not improving a hell of a lot more than last year.
At MSU Conklin made 34 of his 38 starts at LT.
If you believe Conklin would be no better than Robinson at LT, then you should hate his signing.
But...you said you were flipping him over to LT:
I'd be willing to ride out Hubbard's last season as our backup RT, and flip Conklin to LT. Then we can shop for depth next year.
So,you have Conklin at LT, Hubbard at backup RT....but, again, who starts?
Well if Williams has to play with a spare and a jack, then cancel my order.
I'd be willing to ride out Hubbard's last season as our backup RT, and flip Conklin to LT. Then we can shop for depth next year.
But who you putting at RT ahead of Hubbard?
Context, Gip.... the thread is about Williams.... I mention Williams in my post responding to another's concern over him going down to injury making them want to draft a backup... and then say what I'd be willing to do.
Does your wife have to spoon feed you as well?
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Matt Miller@nfldraftscoutNo gimme here but if the #Browns can trade for Trent Williams, would give them flexibility to move from No. 10 overall and pick up a good haul of future/additional picks.No gimme here but if the #Browns can trade for Trent Williams, would give them flexibility to move from No. 10 overall and pick up a good haul of future/additional picks. -
·57mMatt Miller@nfldraftscoutNo gimme here but if the #Browns can trade for Trent Williams, would give them flexibility to move from No. 10 overall and pick up a good haul of future/additional picks.No gimme here but if the #Browns can trade for Trent Williams, would give them flexibility to move from No. 10 overall and pick up a good haul of future/additional picks.No gimme here but if the #Browns can trade for Trent Williams, would give them flexibility to move from No. 10 overall and pick up a good haul of future/additional picks.
Tremendous win if we get Trent Williams for a 3rd (and not some insane contract that hurts our long term cap) and we manage to trade back and get additional picks.
Browns and Pats. We get #23, two 3rd round picks and a premium 2021 pick. They get a QB. We get some picks in the sweet spot of the draft.
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Conklin played RT exclusively for 4 years at Tennessee. If you put him in at LT and Hubbard at RT you are essentially weakening 2 positions and not improving a hell of a lot more than last year.
At MSU Conklin made 34 of his 38 starts at LT.
If you believe Conklin would be no better than Robinson at LT, then you should hate his signing.
But...you said you were flipping him over to LT:
I'd be willing to ride out Hubbard's last season as our backup RT, and flip Conklin to LT. Then we can shop for depth next year.
So,you have Conklin at LT, Hubbard at backup RT....but, again, who starts?
Well if Williams has to play with a spare and a jack, then cancel my order.
I'd be willing to ride out Hubbard's last season as our backup RT, and flip Conklin to LT. Then we can shop for depth next year.
But who you putting at RT ahead of Hubbard?
Context, Gip.... the thread is about Williams.... I mention Williams in my post responding to another's concern over him going down to injury making them want to draft a backup... and then say what I'd be willing to do.
Does your wife have to spoon feed you as well?
At MSU Conklin made 34 of his 38 starts at LT.
If you believe Conklin would be no better than Robinson at LT, then you should hate his signing.
Context, Gip.... the thread is about Williams.... I mention Williams in my post responding to another's concern over him going down to injury making them want to draft a backup... and then say what I'd be willing to do.
Does your wife have to spoon feed you as well?
Your lack of communication skills wasn't my problem. This thread was about having Williams at LT, not RT. Because Williams has been predominantly a LT in his career. So, to me it sounded that you were excluding Williams from your scenario. But, now, it is even worse.....you want to take a career LT and put him at RT, and a career RT and put him at LT. You must have gotten so many swirlies as a kid that your head is still spinning.
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Well when journos start starting...
If healthy, then Trent solves our LT problem and with #10 freed to trade, we can more than recoup the 3's we'd spend on him so....
... works for me.
Well when journos start starting...
If healthy, then Trent solves our LT problem and with #10 freed to trade, we can more than recoup the 3's we'd spend on him so....
... works for me.
Do you really think Skins would deal him for a 3rd? I thought that even a 1st round wasn't enough to get him last year. What am I missing?
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