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    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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    I think it all depends on what the situation with this damn virus is come fall.  If it slows (if)down in the summer, then comes back again next fall, were in deep shit.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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      I think it all depends on what the situation with this damn virus is come fall.  If it slows (if)down in the summer, then comes back again next fall, were in deep shit.

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      @diehardbrownsfan said:

      I think it all depends on what the situation with this damn virus is come fall.  If it slows (if)down in the summer, then comes back again next fall, were in deep shit.

      It will also depend on how  fast  they can ramp up  testing for the  virus, and more importantly virus antibodies.  We should by fall  have a lot  better  idea of what percentage of cases are mild and asymptomatic compared to the  # of deaths. We already know Corona  isn't  Ebola with a  extremely high  fatality rate. 

      I've mentioned- is potentially saving X number of people  worth the cost of a 1930s level  world wide depression?  I see it  coming.  Read yesterday very possible 10% of restaurants may permanently  fold with the consequent job loss. 

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        I think it all depends on what the situation with this damn virus is come fall.  If it slows (if)down in the summer, then comes back again next fall, were in deep shit.

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        @diehardbrownsfan said:

        I think

        No, you don't. You're just running a boring Bullshit troll act

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          @diehardbrownsfan said:

          I think

          No, you don't. You're just running a boring Bullshit troll act

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          @axe said:

          No, you don't. You're just running a boring Bullshit troll act

          Nah.  If you don't like what I say, tough shit.

          "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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            https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/18/swedish_epidemiologist_johan_giesecke_why_lockdowns_are_the_wrong_policy.html

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              Well it's time for the trumpettes to designate which close family or friends you think should be sacrificed to the new open it up too soon policy. 42,000+ is just not enough for the newer deeper second wave that is sure to come because of it. So fork over!

              Oh, you meant someone ELSE needs to go? Fancy that.

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                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                Just when I think people can't get any stupider, I listened to some of these protesters... 

                and it what world is it now ok for the President to call for US citizen to "LIBERATE" states? (only the ones with Dem governors though...)

                Holy fuck could you imagine the absolute shitshow this board would be if Obama was on twitter telling protesting liberals to LIBERATE red states? I mean, I'm going to post and say I think it is ridiculous and unpresidential, but in that other scenario we'd have a full page of threads by now, and at least one would link Obama to the anti christ. 

                Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                  dammit. Who taught Woody the "S***Show" word? The same one who taught him the "F" word?

                  The reason Pres Trump said that - is because it seems to ONLY be democrat govenors who are violating the Constitution/Bill of Rights, and grabbing more and more power they aren't allowed to have - to effect their leftwing agenda. I imagine they were instructed to do it, so Pelosi could use the calamity against Pres Trump again.

                      Openly flouting the restrictions on government - ObaMao commie hated that, and complained openly about it.

                  The left demands more and more power -and they don't have any use for anyone or any famous, one of a kind brilliant Document that stops them. Too freaking bad. I predict a LOT of folks in Michigan and Virginia , to name two, will go FREEDOM and Republican next election.

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                    https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/04/shutdowns-were-pointless-all-along/?fbclid=IwAR01BZvO9OhxRXHlAbbNAkd_ig--zLANvwm8PRODq2Qcq59ByaeDQLlHOKg#.XpnwkkhQ_ZA.facebook

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                      Just when I think people can't get any stupider, I listened to some of these protesters... 

                      and it what world is it now ok for the President to call for US citizen to "LIBERATE" states? (only the ones with Dem governors though...)

                      Holy fuck could you imagine the absolute shitshow this board would be if Obama was on twitter telling protesting liberals to LIBERATE red states? I mean, I'm going to post and say I think it is ridiculous and unpresidential, but in that other scenario we'd have a full page of threads by now, and at least one would link Obama to the anti christ. 

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                      @mld-woody said:

                      Just when I think people can't get any stupider, I listened to some of these protesters... 

                      Yeah, I get the same feeling every time I have to read one one of your ignorant posts

                      and it what world is it now ok for the President to call for US citizen to "LIBERATE" states? (only the ones with Dem governors though...)

                      Holy fuck could you imagine the absolute shitshow this board would be if Obama was on twitter telling protesting liberals to LIBERATE red states? I mean, I'm going to post and say I think it is ridiculous and unpresidential, but in that other scenario we'd have a full page of threads by now, and at least one would link Obama to the anti christ.

                      I know you are young. we understand you are still stupid. What the fuck do you think he was saying here..  "We have to fundamentally transform bla blah blah.."

                      Oh, wait, I forgot.. You aren't a democrat 😉

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                        https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/04/shutdowns-were-pointless-all-along/?fbclid=IwAR01BZvO9OhxRXHlAbbNAkd_ig--zLANvwm8PRODq2Qcq59ByaeDQLlHOKg#.XpnwkkhQ_ZA.facebook

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                        @westside-steve said:

                        https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/04/shutdowns-were-pointless-all-along/?fbclid=IwAR01BZvO9OhxRXHlAbbNAkd_ig--zLANvwm8PRODq2Qcq59ByaeDQLlHOKg#.XpnwkkhQ_ZA.facebook

                        which, IMHO, a bunch of bullhockey. Here in America, our size and culture - it was never a lockdown like a lot of other countries could enforce.

                             After the first week of the restrictions - a LOT of folks in our neck of the woods were going into stores with no mask, no gloves, didn't use the wipes to wipe off the carts,  etc etc etc. I believe the restrictions did a ton of good - it's hard to say how many Americans might have died with this virus running every damn where. But, the curve in many places has flattened, and it's time by May 1st to let the good times roll and FREEDOM RING. Our lives are different now - this particular virus doesn't die in hrs, it can live for days - 3 to 6 in the last report I saw.

                            It's been plenty enough time to figure that where the virus has burnt itself out - let life get back to normal. People will still tend to be careful. And if we go camping with friends this Sept... we aren't going to use their facilities, we'll bring out own.

                        At least this year.

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                          @mld-woody said:

                          Just when I think people can't get any stupider, I listened to some of these protesters... 

                          Yeah, I get the same feeling every time I have to read one one of your ignorant posts

                          and it what world is it now ok for the President to call for US citizen to "LIBERATE" states? (only the ones with Dem governors though...)

                          Holy fuck could you imagine the absolute shitshow this board would be if Obama was on twitter telling protesting liberals to LIBERATE red states? I mean, I'm going to post and say I think it is ridiculous and unpresidential, but in that other scenario we'd have a full page of threads by now, and at least one would link Obama to the anti christ.

                          I know you are young. we understand you are still stupid. What the fuck do you think he was saying here..  "We have to fundamentally transform bla blah blah.."

                          Oh, wait, I forgot.. You aren't a democrat 😉

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                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                          @axe said:

                          Yeah, I get the same feeling every time I have to read one one of your ignorant posts

                          I know you are young. we understand you are still stupid. What the fuck do you think he was saying here..  "We have to fundamentally transform bla blah blah.."

                          Oh, wait, I forgot.. You aren't a democrat 😉

                          A democrat would be registered with the party and always vote for the candidates, right?

                          Nothing about you screams "intelligence". I'm not worried about what you think. If anything you thinking I'm stupid just makes me more correct.

                          Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                            @westside-steve said:

                            https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/04/shutdowns-were-pointless-all-along/?fbclid=IwAR01BZvO9OhxRXHlAbbNAkd_ig--zLANvwm8PRODq2Qcq59ByaeDQLlHOKg#.XpnwkkhQ_ZA.facebook

                            @westside-steve said:

                            https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/04/shutdowns-were-pointless-all-along/?fbclid=IwAR01BZvO9OhxRXHlAbbNAkd_ig--zLANvwm8PRODq2Qcq59ByaeDQLlHOKg#.XpnwkkhQ_ZA.facebook

                            Interesting reads Steve- but how can anyone state- the Fatality rate equals seasonal flu. 

                            It's an economic disaster alright. Don't need a doctorate in economics to figure that out. 

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                              @axe said:

                              Yeah, I get the same feeling every time I have to read one one of your ignorant posts

                              I know you are young. we understand you are still stupid. What the fuck do you think he was saying here..  "We have to fundamentally transform bla blah blah.."

                              Oh, wait, I forgot.. You aren't a democrat 😉

                              A democrat would be registered with the party and always vote for the candidates, right?

                              Nothing about you screams "intelligence". I'm not worried about what you think. If anything you thinking I'm stupid just makes me more correct.

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              A democrat would be registered with the party and always vote for the candidates, right?

                              No, but you do

                              Nothing about you screams "intelligence". I'm not worried about what you think. If anything you thinking I'm stupid just makes me more correct.

                              That's how we're trained...  ?  You don't have a fucking clue.. See ya sonny, hope you survive your arrogance and ignorance.. You are a top shelf  Darwin award candidate. 

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                                @mld-woody said:

                                A democrat would be registered with the party and always vote for the candidates, right?

                                No, but you do

                                Nothing about you screams "intelligence". I'm not worried about what you think. If anything you thinking I'm stupid just makes me more correct.

                                That's how we're trained...  ?  You don't have a fucking clue.. See ya sonny, hope you survive your arrogance and ignorance.. You are a top shelf  Darwin award candidate. 

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                                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                @axe said:

                                Alright, well I'm not. If you think you know my political party affiliations, even when I'm telling you I'm not registered with the party and didn't vote for Hilary, then there's nothing I can do to make it more obvious. You can't fix stupid.

                                And yes, I'm sure you're just a vast reserve of intelligence... I mean, you have provided no reason for why that might be true, but I'm sure it is. 

                                I mean you give hypocritical advice, but you had the intelligence to realize the hypocrisy I guess

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                                  @axe said:

                                  Alright, well I'm not. If you think you know my political party affiliations, even when I'm telling you I'm not registered with the party and didn't vote for Hilary, then there's nothing I can do to make it more obvious. You can't fix stupid.

                                  And yes, I'm sure you're just a vast reserve of intelligence... I mean, you have provided no reason for why that might be true, but I'm sure it is. 

                                  I mean you give hypocritical advice, but you had the intelligence to realize the hypocrisy I guess

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                                  @mld-woody said:

                                  Alright, well I'm not. If you think you know my political party affiliations, even when I'm telling you I'm not registered with the party and didn't vote for Hilary, then there's nothing I can do to make it more obvious. You can't fix stupid.

                                  And yes, I'm sure you're just a vast reserve of intelligence... I mean, you have provided no reason for why that might be true, but I'm sure it is. 

                                  I mean you give hypocritical advice, but you had the intelligence to realize the hypocrisy I guess

                                  You probably should put the bottle down right about now Sonny. 😉

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                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/04/shutdowns-were-pointless-all-along/?fbclid=IwAR01BZvO9OhxRXHlAbbNAkd_ig--zLANvwm8PRODq2Qcq59ByaeDQLlHOKg#.XpnwkkhQ_ZA.facebook

                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    https://www.afa.net/the-stand/culture/2020/04/shutdowns-were-pointless-all-along/?fbclid=IwAR01BZvO9OhxRXHlAbbNAkd_ig--zLANvwm8PRODq2Qcq59ByaeDQLlHOKg#.XpnwkkhQ_ZA.facebook

                                    Interesting reads Steve- but how can anyone state- the Fatality rate equals seasonal flu. 

                                    It's an economic disaster alright. Don't need a doctorate in economics to figure that out. 

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                                    @hoorta said:

                                    Interesting reads Steve- but how can anyone state- the Fatality rate equals seasonal flu. 

                                    It's an economic disaster alright. Don't need a doctorate in economics to figure that out. 

                                    Listen to how she describes the leeway given to Drs on death certificates.. And how the CDC encourages covid-19 to be the primary..

                                    https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/07/montana-doctor-blows-the-whistle-on-the-cdcs-manipulated-coronavirus-figures/?fbclid=IwAR0pqqLYiRmx3BaPYs0lqGsBQLaF2hzHSQOPty0cXUjwmsWwa4AOk-qCnlQ

                                    I'm with Steve on this..

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                                      Well it's time for the trumpettes to designate which close family or friends you think should be sacrificed to the new open it up too soon policy. 42,000+ is just not enough for the newer deeper second wave that is sure to come because of it. So fork over!

                                      Oh, you meant someone ELSE needs to go? Fancy that.

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                                      @texasag1969 said:

                                      Well it's time for the trumpettes to designate which close family or friends you think should be sacrificed to the new open it up too soon policy. 42,000+ is just not enough for the newer deeper second wave that is sure to come because of it. So fork over!

                                      Oh, you meant someone ELSE needs to go? Fancy that.

                                      There's going to be more deaths regardless Ag.  Care to put a number on how many more are acceptable to you?  Oh. looked it up- with an overall mortality rate of 8\ per 1,000 that means every year around 2.4 million people die in the United States. So far- that 42k is around 1.5% of projected US deaths. OK, let's use a factor of 4, since we just exited the first quarter. 6% of total deaths sound about right?  We didn't shut the country down for the other 94%. But we did for corona deaths.   

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                                        @hoorta said:

                                        Interesting reads Steve- but how can anyone state- the Fatality rate equals seasonal flu. 

                                        It's an economic disaster alright. Don't need a doctorate in economics to figure that out. 

                                        Listen to how she describes the leeway given to Drs on death certificates.. And how the CDC encourages covid-19 to be the primary..

                                        https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/07/montana-doctor-blows-the-whistle-on-the-cdcs-manipulated-coronavirus-figures/?fbclid=IwAR0pqqLYiRmx3BaPYs0lqGsBQLaF2hzHSQOPty0cXUjwmsWwa4AOk-qCnlQ

                                        I'm with Steve on this..

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                                        @axe said:

                                        Listen to how she describes the leeway given to Drs on death certificates.. And how the CDC encourages covid-19 to be the primary..

                                        https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/07/montana-doctor-blows-the-whistle-on-the-cdcs-manipulated-coronavirus-figures/?fbclid=IwAR0pqqLYiRmx3BaPYs0lqGsBQLaF2hzHSQOPty0cXUjwmsWwa4AOk-qCnlQ

                                        I'm with Steve on this..

                                        Oh- I've mentioned it before, I'd hardly be surprized. Similar to African nations padding Ebola death figures a few years back. Didn't matter if you got hit by a car, stomped by an elephant, or bitten by a black mamba- you died of Ebola. 

                                        Italy is doing the same AFAIK.  Let's backtrack and CYA that we maybe shouldn't have gone full bore hysterical.  

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                                          Well it's time for the trumpettes to designate which close family or friends you think should be sacrificed to the new open it up too soon policy. 42,000+ is just not enough for the newer deeper second wave that is sure to come because of it. So fork over!

                                          Oh, you meant someone ELSE needs to go? Fancy that.

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                                          @texasag1969 said:

                                          Well it's time for the trumpettes to designate which close family or friends you think should be sacrificed to the new open it up too soon policy. 42,000+ is just not enough for the newer deeper second wave that is sure to come because of it. So fork over!

                                          Oh, you meant someone ELSE needs to go? Fancy that.

                                          Dude, yer trippin... Hard.  🙁

                                          As with every flu season, people with secondary and tertiary health issues are at risk..  They will be again this coming winter.

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