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It isn't my cup of tea, but if I were to go over to Europe and someone said "Hey, want to catch the big rivalry soccer game this afternoon" you bet your ass I would, even if just for the atmosphere. Hell, I even watched Italy win the World Cup a dozen years ago.
Ditto... if I was across the pond. As for TV-watching... World Cups involving USA whenever on, but historically US women's teams more than men's because of their superior precision. Until recently USA men just looked like a collection of individuals.
Quick Story... business trip to Grangemouth, Scotland to visit my company's manufacturing facility there. My hosts booked me into a Best Western in a converted castle... neat place even if they did not reserve one of the higher-priced rooms physically in the castle. Anyway the 1st evening I was there was a Scotland vs. England match in a Cup qualifier IIRC.
The Hotel's bar was packed with fans... many in kilts... most of whom were members/attendees of a wedding party there for the reception. Even the bride was there. An attractive "lass" in a beautiful white dress. You think the Browns have rivalries??? The cheering was vicious. They did the garter thing at half-time.
Scotland hung tough for a good part of the game, but alas the joy of the wedding party was ultimately dashed, but it was a cool way to spend an evening.
Ditto... if I was across the pond. As for TV-watching... World Cups involving USA whenever on, but historically US women's teams more than men's because of their superior precision. Until recently USA men just looked like a collection of individuals.
Quick Story... business trip to Grangemouth, Scotland to visit my company's manufacturing facility there. My hosts booked me into a Best Western in a converted castle... neat place even if they did not reserve one of the higher-priced rooms physically in the castle. Anyway the 1st evening I was there was a Scotland vs. England match in a Cup qualifier IIRC.
The Hotel's bar was packed with fans... many in kilts... most of whom were members/attendees of a wedding party there for the reception. Even the bride was there. An attractive "lass" in a beautiful white dress. You think the Browns have rivalries??? The cheering was vicious. They did the garter thing at half-time.
Scotland hung tough for a good part of the game, but alas the joy of the wedding party was ultimately dashed, but it was a cool way to spend an evening.
I have been across the pond, and I had watched soccer with some cousins of mine. When was in Ireland I watched hurley. But, for the time I was there...just a bit over a week...it seemed that they were big into snooker.
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HEY! I was typing that earlier... had it 80% done when I had to break for "Big Sunday Breakfast"..
I wasn't gonna trash that work on Dutch's meanwhile say-so...
Yeah... I saw the "New replies" message after breakfast...
... but "veni vici posti"...
... Biatch...
Great minds as they say
or is it.... Great minds as they say?
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Well, you know who is to blame for that. Plus, I guess you could say that there is no controversy associated with taking Wills.. No one has reason to dispute the efficacy of that pick. Here, there could be some of that.
Also....being in Anglaland, perhaps you are not as cognizant of the most fierce rival in all of sports.
Oh Christ, you've just guaranteed this two page thread will turn into a five page thread where LB, Nero and hoorta drone on about the greatness that is soccer with that last line.
Someone needs to wack you with a rolled up newspaper sometimes... ? Bad Gippet!
Oh Christ, you've just guaranteed this two page thread will turn into a five page thread where LB, Nero and hoorta drone on about the greatness that is soccer with that last line.
Someone needs to wack you with a rolled up newspaper sometimes... ? Bad Gippet!
Wait a minute.....I am not the one that should be apologizing...YOU Are the one that brought up the whole soccer line. All I said was that the Europeans may not aware of the best rivalry on the planet.
So...you need to whip yourself with that newspaper. Corporal Mortification is in line for you, Bub.
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@the-gipper said:
The problem is that in the course of 90 minutes...that excitement happens like only 5-10 times a game because they spend so little time attacking the goal.
It is why all the other games that are basically soccer clones with some other venue: (hockey, water polo ...even indoor soccer) are more exciting. They spend more time attacking the goal.
I've always stated that it is a different mindset. I have to switch the mindset when switching between sports. Between field goals, touchdowns, and punts, did you know that the latter is the most repeated play? It could be similar to your "little time attacking the goal".
I like American Football better (I enjoy playing soccer, I barely watch lately), but what soccer is better than any other sport is in the excitement for the goal. There are not many goals, thus each one becomes more important. I have celebrated touchdowns, yeah, but it's not the same because any given play someone can score one. In American Football every play is a beautiful choreography and is spectacular, and I like it better because of that, but you also have countless of commercials that make the games unnecesarily longer. You spend 3 and a half hours, and 30min at most are actual gameplay. 50 are replays and the rest are ads.
Oh, and I hate people falling in soccer constantly. I HATE IT. They prefer a faul instead of trying to keep playing. It's bad comedy how theatrical players have become from the 2000's onwards.
To each his own. I still find it ironic that people despise soccer over baseball when clearly the latter is the sport where less impact has each action. You play over a hundred games, with many innings each, and countless "at bats".I don't want to "convert" people to soccer because even I like American Football better, but I don't understand how, while still not liking it, people don't seee why soccer has so many fans.
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Oh Christ, you've just guaranteed this two page thread will turn into a five page thread where LB, Nero and hoorta drone on about the greatness that is soccer with that last line.
Someone needs to wack you with a rolled up newspaper sometimes... ? Bad Gippet!
Wait a minute.....I am not the one that should be apologizing...YOU Are the one that brought up the whole soccer line. All I said was that the Europeans may not aware of the best rivalry on the planet.
So...you need to whip yourself with that newspaper. Corporal Mortification is in line for you, Bub.
All I said was that the Europeans may not aware of the best rivalry on the planet.
We have already discussed it in this forum, and you're wrong. I don't say it is not a good rivalry (I would love to watch Michigan-OSU in the stands), but your affirmation is very short sighted.
But don't worry, I know you use this kind of sentences just to get us started and do your casual "Gipper 101130919 post rant" so I won't discuss it no more.
Have a nice Sunday
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@the-gipper said:
The problem is that in the course of 90 minutes...that excitement happens like only 5-10 times a game because they spend so little time attacking the goal.
It is why all the other games that are basically soccer clones with some other venue: (hockey, water polo ...even indoor soccer) are more exciting. They spend more time attacking the goal.
I've always stated that it is a different mindset. I have to switch the mindset when switching between sports. Between field goals, touchdowns, and punts, did you know that the latter is the most repeated play? It could be similar to your "little time attacking the goal".
I like American Football better (I enjoy playing soccer, I barely watch lately), but what soccer is better than any other sport is in the excitement for the goal. There are not many goals, thus each one becomes more important. I have celebrated touchdowns, yeah, but it's not the same because any given play someone can score one. In American Football every play is a beautiful choreography and is spectacular, and I like it better because of that, but you also have countless of commercials that make the games unnecesarily longer. You spend 3 and a half hours, and 30min at most are actual gameplay. 50 are replays and the rest are ads.
Oh, and I hate people falling in soccer constantly. I HATE IT. They prefer a faul instead of trying to keep playing. It's bad comedy how theatrical players have become from the 2000's onwards.
To each his own. I still find it ironic that people despise soccer over baseball when clearly the latter is the sport where less impact has each action. You play over a hundred games, with many innings each, and countless "at bats".I don't want to "convert" people to soccer because even I like American Football better, but I don't understand how, while still not liking it, people don't seee why soccer has so many fans.
Oh, and I hate people falling in soccer constantly.
It's called "taking a dive"... An old Philly Flyer (NHL) named Bill Barber made a career out of drawing tripping penalties on an opponent...
Story is pretty much the same in football and futball... to really appreciate the game you have to watch the game going on away from the ball. It's the way to see what's coming in either sport. Not easy to do, but rewarding.
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@the-gipper said:
The problem is that in the course of 90 minutes...that excitement happens like only 5-10 times a game because they spend so little time attacking the goal.
It is why all the other games that are basically soccer clones with some other venue: (hockey, water polo ...even indoor soccer) are more exciting. They spend more time attacking the goal.
I've always stated that it is a different mindset. I have to switch the mindset when switching between sports. Between field goals, touchdowns, and punts, did you know that the latter is the most repeated play? It could be similar to your "little time attacking the goal".
I like American Football better (I enjoy playing soccer, I barely watch lately), but what soccer is better than any other sport is in the excitement for the goal. There are not many goals, thus each one becomes more important. I have celebrated touchdowns, yeah, but it's not the same because any given play someone can score one. In American Football every play is a beautiful choreography and is spectacular, and I like it better because of that, but you also have countless of commercials that make the games unnecesarily longer. You spend 3 and a half hours, and 30min at most are actual gameplay. 50 are replays and the rest are ads.
Oh, and I hate people falling in soccer constantly. I HATE IT. They prefer a faul instead of trying to keep playing. It's bad comedy how theatrical players have become from the 2000's onwards.
To each his own. I still find it ironic that people despise soccer over baseball when clearly the latter is the sport where less impact has each action. You play over a hundred games, with many innings each, and countless "at bats".I don't want to "convert" people to soccer because even I like American Football better, but I don't understand how, while still not liking it, people don't seee why soccer has so many fans.
I've always stated that it is a different mindset. I have to switch the mindset when switching between sports. Between field goals, touchdowns, and punts, did you know that the latter is the most repeated play? It could be similar to your "little time attacking the goal".
I like American Football better (I enjoy playing soccer, I barely watch lately), but what soccer is better than any other sport is in the excitement for the goal. There are not many goals, thus each one becomes more important. I have celebrated touchdowns, yeah, but it's not the same because any given play someone can score one. In American Football every play is a beautiful choreography and is spectacular, and I like it better because of that, but you also have countless of commercials that make the games unnecesarily longer. You spend 3 and a half hours, and 30min at most are actual gameplay. 50 are replays and the rest are ads.
Oh, and I hate people falling in soccer constantly. I HATE IT. They prefer a faul instead of trying to keep playing. It's bad comedy how theatrical players have become from the 2000's onwards.
To each his own. I still find it ironic that people despise soccer over baseball when clearly the latter is the sport where less impact has each action. You play over a hundred games, with many innings each, and countless "at bats".I don't want to "convert" people to soccer because even I like American Football better, but I don't understand how, while still not liking it, people don't understand why soccer has so many fans.
That shows you may not comprehend baseball. A couple of things: 1. On every single pitch the potential exists for an exciting play....be it a home run, or extra base hit...or a spectacular defensive play...or strike out. Sure, not every single pitch has that....but every one has the potential for that. 2. And every at bat is a "duel" between hitter and batter. An intense dual, just not with guns or swords. (beyond that, I am not sure you expressed yourself properly: "where less impact has each action" ? I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
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All I said was that the Europeans may not aware of the best rivalry on the planet.
We have already discussed it in this forum, and you're wrong. I don't say it is not a good rivalry (I would love to watch Michigan-OSU in the stands), but your affirmation is very short sighted.
But don't worry, I know you use this kind of sentences just to get us started and do your casual "Gipper 101130919 post rant" so I won't discuss it no more.
Have a nice Sunday
We have already discussed it in this forum, and you're wrong. I don't say it is not a good rivalry (I would love to watch Michigan-OSU in the stands), but your affirmation is very short sighted.
But don't worry, I know you use this kind of sentences just to get us started and do your casual "Gipper 101130919 post rant" so I won't discuss it no more.
Have a nice Sunday
My affirmation is right on the fucking money. You are the one that does not get it. Fans being hooligans does not a rivalry make
And have a nice fuck off Sunday as well.
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@nero you are correct that baseball is mostly a whole lot of nothing. One of a handful of things can happen each play. Not to mention its really barely a "team" sport, in the sense of how much teammates work together while on the "field".
Also, high level women's soccer (USA, Canada, etc) has basically 0 flopping. They beat the shit out of each other.
As a defender myself I can't stand players flopping. Of course you fell down when I D'd you up, you were twirling around and shit.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Ah, I see you're showing off your deep knowledge of all things football again by not even knowing about or mentioning our best WR that's returning. One that has literally been mentioned by others in this thread multiple times as being good and someone they'd be happy drafting.
Who is "OUR"? The Browns is OUR. If OUR is your Michifailures...no, I don't keep up with them....because they are YOURs, not OURs...(besides...I DID mention Bell).
But if you expect me to know every little loser on the Michigan roster....gee, you got me there. I don't know every sorry sack of shit little fucking loser on the Michigan roster. I do know a few fucking little loser Michigan fans. Hello Woody.
I'll give you this though, you do a hell of a job of exuding confidence and expertise on things you know little about.
Well....since I know more about everything than you (OK..you are probably better at math).....I exude confidence because I know more, and maybe I exude confidence when I don't know everything because I am a confident guy....not a little loser.
Calm down gramps.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Calm down gramps.
Calm down gramps.
Y'all are related?
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@nero you are correct that baseball is mostly a whole lot of nothing. One of a handful of things can happen each play. Not to mention its really barely a "team" sport, in the sense of how much teammates work together while on the "field".
Also, high level women's soccer (USA, Canada, etc) has basically 0 flopping. They beat the shit out of each other.
As a defender myself I can't stand players flopping. Of course you fell down when I D'd you up, you were twirling around and shit.
@nero you are correct that baseball is mostly a whole lot of nothing. One of a handful of things can happen each play. Not to mention its really barely a "team" sport, in the sense of how much teammates work together while on the "field".
Yes.....precisely....one of a handful of things can happen on each play in baseball and "each play" being each pitch.......In soccer...NOTHING barely ever happens on ANY play.
Also, high level women's soccer (USA, Canada, etc) has basically 0 flopping. They beat the shit out of each other.
That is certainly true. And you hope it stays that way.
As a defender myself I can't stand players flopping. Of course you fell down when I D'd you up, you were twirling around and shit.
Well...all things considered I would think you would be the Queen of Preening Pansies and that flopping would be your go to move. But, if not...good on you.
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People
....Jones wood have a full head separation in a header in sock-car game(opps! match)..great leg length advanage in the cycle 
kicks also 
.. one heck of a reach as a 1st baseman in baseball
..but not a chance that my brother can skate on a ice rink 
️,,,,how many 6'5" brothers you know that can skate except maybe on roller blades?
Gipper, go take a nice walk along a dude beach & calm the f' down.. 8 foot spacing maybe a good idea
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Calm down gramps.
Calm down gramps.
Just not sure why you would think that any Ohio State fan would have the Michigan roster memorized. After All:
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People
....Jones wood have a full head separation in a header in sock-car game(opps! match)..great leg length advanage in the cycle kicks also .. one heck of a reach as a 1st baseman in baseball ..but not a chance that my brother can skate on a ice rink ️,,,,how many 6'5" brothers you know that can skate except maybe on roller blades?
Gipper, go take a nice walk along a dude beach & calm the f' down.. 8 foot spacing maybe a good idea
People
....Jones wood have a full head separation in a header in sock-car game(opps! match)..great leg length advanage in the cycle kicks also .. one heck of a reach as a 1st baseman in baseball ..but not a chance that my brother can skate on a ice rink ️,,,,how many 6'5" brothers you know that can skate except maybe on roller blades?
Gipper, go take a nice walk along a dude beach & calm the f' down.. 8 foot spacing maybe a good idea
I am as calm as that sea breeze. Really. (you don't understand me if you think this upsets me...this is relaxing. ...this is just pure entertainment. Now...litigation, that can upset my stomach...certainly not this)
And I am hopeful Peeps works out just fine....for US/OUR team. The Browns.
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People
....Jones wood have a full head separation in a header in sock-car game(opps! match)..great leg length advanage in the cycle kicks also .. one heck of a reach as a 1st baseman in baseball ..but not a chance that my brother can skate on a ice rink ️,,,,how many 6'5" brothers you know that can skate except maybe on roller blades?
Gipper, go take a nice walk along a dude beach & calm the f' down.. 8 foot spacing maybe a good idea
People
....Jones wood have a full head separation in a header in sock-car game(opps! match)..great leg length advanage in the cycle kicks also .. one heck of a reach as a 1st baseman in baseball ..but not a chance that my brother can skate on a ice rink ️,,,,how many 6'5" brothers you know that can skate except maybe on roller blades?
Gipper, go take a nice walk along a dude beach & calm the f' down.. 8 foot spacing maybe a good idea
LMAO...
Just thought you should know...
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I've always stated that it is a different mindset. I have to switch the mindset when switching between sports. Between field goals, touchdowns, and punts, did you know that the latter is the most repeated play? It could be similar to your "little time attacking the goal".
I like American Football better (I enjoy playing soccer, I barely watch lately), but what soccer is better than any other sport is in the excitement for the goal. There are not many goals, thus each one becomes more important. I have celebrated touchdowns, yeah, but it's not the same because any given play someone can score one. In American Football every play is a beautiful choreography and is spectacular, and I like it better because of that, but you also have countless of commercials that make the games unnecesarily longer. You spend 3 and a half hours, and 30min at most are actual gameplay. 50 are replays and the rest are ads.
Oh, and I hate people falling in soccer constantly. I HATE IT. They prefer a faul instead of trying to keep playing. It's bad comedy how theatrical players have become from the 2000's onwards.
To each his own. I still find it ironic that people despise soccer over baseball when clearly the latter is the sport where less impact has each action. You play over a hundred games, with many innings each, and countless "at bats".I don't want to "convert" people to soccer because even I like American Football better, but I don't understand how, while still not liking it, people don't understand why soccer has so many fans.
That shows you may not comprehend baseball. A couple of things: 1. On every single pitch the potential exists for an exciting play....be it a home run, or extra base hit...or a spectacular defensive play...or strike out. Sure, not every single pitch has that....but every one has the potential for that. 2. And every at bat is a "duel" between hitter and batter. An intense dual, just not with guns or swords. (beyond that, I am not sure you expressed yourself properly: "where less impact has each action" ? I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
(beyond that, I am not sure you expressed yourself properly: "where less impact has each action" ? I am not sure what you are trying to say here.
I'm saying that there are so many games, innings and pitches in baseball, that although in each pitch can happen something interesting (just like in any sport), the repercussion in the season is less important.
Let's say you are only a hitter, and don't hit the ball in a pitch. Don't worry, because you have 3 strikes to be out, and 2 of your team mates must be out too to end the inning, and you have 9 innings. So if the pitcher made a perfect game, it would be 3x3x9, which is 81 plays in a game (with no balls, we have a perfect pitcher here), so each chance you have represents 1,23% of the game (in a game with a perfect pitcher).
Now let's look at the season: 162 games. That means that every game represents 0,62% of the season. So each pitch represents (0,0062 x 0,0123) = 7,59 x 10 e-5. And that's counting perfect pitchers in every game. In American Football, the 2012 Patriots had 74 snaps per game. You know how much each snap represents? 8,44 x10e-5. (You take 1 and divide by 74 and 16 games).
So every snap in American Football is already 10 times more important than each pitch of the MLB if it had perfect pitchers. -
Oh, and I hate people falling in soccer constantly.
It's called "taking a dive"... An old Philly Flyer (NHL) named Bill Barber made a career out of drawing tripping penalties on an opponent...
Story is pretty much the same in football and futball... to really appreciate the game you have to watch the game going on away from the ball. It's the way to see what's coming in either sport. Not easy to do, but rewarding.
It's called "taking a dive"... An old Philly Flyer (NHL) named Bill Barber made a career out of drawing tripping penalties on an opponent...
Story is pretty much the same in football and futball... to really appreciate the game you have to watch the game going on away from the ball. It's the way to see what's coming in either sport. Not easy to do, but rewarding.
Yeah, as Woody said "floppig". I didn't want to look for the therm so thanks for telling.
And the bold part hits in the nail. You have to watch the team as a whole: positioning, movements. In fútbol most of the time it is not about what the guy carrying the ball does, but what is the rest of the team doing. There are only few players that can make a play on their own.
In NFL is something that I have been training myself to, because every play every player has its assignments and everything goes from 0 to 10 in the snap, so it's more difficult to simplify the game to the point you can proccess it fast enough. -
It's called "taking a dive"... An old Philly Flyer (NHL) named Bill Barber made a career out of drawing tripping penalties on an opponent...
Story is pretty much the same in football and futball... to really appreciate the game you have to watch the game going on away from the ball. It's the way to see what's coming in either sport. Not easy to do, but rewarding.
Yeah, as Woody said "floppig". I didn't want to look for the therm so thanks for telling.
And the bold part hits in the nail. You have to watch the team as a whole: positioning, movements. In fútbol most of the time it is not about what the guy carrying the ball does, but what is the rest of the team doing. There are only few players that can make a play on their own.
In NFL is something that I have been training myself to, because every play every player has its assignments and everything goes from 0 to 10 in the snap, so it's more difficult to simplify the game to the point you can proccess it fast enough.Yeah, as Woody said "floppig". I didn't want to look for the therm so thanks for telling.
And the bold part hits in the nail. You have to watch the team as a whole: positioning, movements. In fútbol most of the time it is not about what the guy carrying the ball does, but what is the rest of the team doing. There are only few players that can make a play on their own.
In NFL is something that I have been training myself to, because every play every player has its assignments and everything goes from 0 to 10 in the snap, so it's more difficult to simplify the game to the point you can proccess it fast enough. Flopping comes from basketball... much of the time when defender "embellishes" the force of a pick or a charge, but shooters and players setting picks do it as well. Flopping probably applies even better to futbol... except for trips...
Like hockey, futball has more choreographed movement, more set plays than are obvious only if you don't follow the ball/puck.
Football? Yeah, we know its choreographed to the max, but if you follow the ball you only see the result, not what created it.
Once upon a time following the guards took you to every play. Now? There's a lot more deception, but it's still a good place to start for Offense.
For D, start with the ILB(s) at the top of the box most downs. However, in obvious throwing situations like 3rd and long the big green space in the middle of the 2ndary works as long as the TV crew stays with a wide shot. You can always see the sack you may miss in replay... but you may never be shown the reason the QB held the ball too long.
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I won't join the soccer conversation (nice flamebaiting, Dutch lol). But I think this pick means that Woody will change his avatar soon... And that's not something I will blame him for.
I'll give it a little bit. The Scottish Hammer is still a beast
Also, I'm on your side of the soccer debate. They just don't know what they're talking about, it's ok. I look forward to a future in the US where baseball is on life support and soccer is thriving.
I'll give it a little bit. The Scottish Hammer is still a beast
Also, I'm on your side of the soccer debate. They just don't know what they're talking about, it's ok. I look forward to a future in the US where baseball is on life support and soccer is thriving.
No doubt baseball is on the way out Woody. All of April is gone in the MLB season, and except for the few hardcore fans, I doubt anyone has missed it. Nothing more meaningless than a regular season game. (I like Nero's math) They could easily knock off 62 or more games, except they couldn't pay those astronomical salaries. Those IMHO will be the thing that eventually kills off the sport. That, and to an ever increasing number of sports fans, it's just too damn boring. If Gip says something could happen on every pitch, well 90% of the time, nothing does. Most fans at a game are more interested in when they're going to get their next beer than in the actual game. You could go to the beach, drink, watch the waves come in "ooohhh THAT was a big one!!!" Not spend money on a ticket, and probably have as much fun. :)
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