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Browns Pull Trigger on Garrett's and Njoku's 5th Year Options

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  • OrionO Orion

    That's good.  Get-er-done!   And move on.

    I can't wait to see whether Njoku flourishes with Stef over Kitchens.

    @orion said:

    That's good.  Get-er-done!   And move on.

    I can't wait to see whether Njoku flourishes with Stef over Kitchens.

    He has to actually make it on the field first. He seems like he is always hurt. Remember when Landry freaked out on "Hard Knocks" about players who claimed being hurt too often? Now I'm thinking he was right. 

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  • NeroN Nero

    The extension is good news, but certainly they have to work Myles' contract. Njoku could be considered into a "prove it" deal: I like his attitude, he had some flashes, but also many drops, mental errors, some injuries... So IMO he hasn't shown that he was worth that 1st round pick yet. 

    @tour2ma said:

    I know business is business, but sometimes the richest deal is as much of a pride thing as it is a financial one. Myles doesn't strike me as one of those guys. Plus I feel like the suspension created a hole in his Browns' career that he may want to fill-in.

    I was thinking the same. I wish Myles' stayed here and made his career as a Brown, but if we keep rebuilding every year and not achieveing anything (Playoffs? Playoffs?) maybe the Mason incident is the only thing we have going for us: Not only he left a void in the team that probably switched the momentum of the whole season (everything went downhill from that point on), but he was supported by many fans and the team. 

    I'm a sentimental -maybe idealis-t guy, but I wish more players would stay true to their colors and wouldn't change teams so much. Money is money, but I love when a fandom identifies with some players simply because they gave everything for their one team. 

    @nero said:

    The extension is good news, but certainly they have to work Myles' contract. Njoku could be considered into a "prove it" deal: I like his attitude, he had some flashes, but also many drops, mental errors, some injuries... So IMO he hasn't shown that he was worth that 1st round pick yet. 

    I was thinking the same. I wish Myles' stayed here and made his career as a Brown, but if we keep rebuilding every year and not achieveing anything (Playoffs? Playoffs?) maybe the Mason incident is the only thing we have going for us: Not only he left a void in the team that probably switched the momentum of the whole season (everything went downhill from that point on), but he was supported by many fans and the team. 

    I'm a sentimental -maybe idealis-t guy, but I wish more players would stay true to their colors and wouldn't change teams so much. Money is money, but I love when a fandom identifies with some players simply because they gave everything for their one team. 

    When even Montana, Manning and Brady switch teams....

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  • If Myles Garrett hits Free agency at 26 this organization has financial problems and maybe a brain dysfunction as well.

    you get this done...period. 
     

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    @orion said:

    That's good.  Get-er-done!   And move on.

    I can't wait to see whether Njoku flourishes with Stef over Kitchens.

    He has to actually make it on the field first. He seems like he is always hurt. Remember when Landry freaked out on "Hard Knocks" about players who claimed being hurt too often? Now I'm thinking he was right. 

    @icecube said:

    He has to actually make it on the field first. He seems like he is always hurt. Remember when Landry freaked out on "Hard Knocks" about players who claimed being hurt too often? Now I'm thinking he was right. 

    Now?!  What took you so long?  Did you see the video?  Guys laying on the floor.  Nobody paying attention to anything.  That receiver room was a disgrace.  Nobody wanted to put any effort into anything.  So he got up there and blasted them.  And rightfully so.  (of course last year, all he did was ride a bike to nowhere while the others practiced)

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    @nero said:

    The extension is good news, but certainly they have to work Myles' contract. Njoku could be considered into a "prove it" deal: I like his attitude, he had some flashes, but also many drops, mental errors, some injuries... So IMO he hasn't shown that he was worth that 1st round pick yet. 

    I was thinking the same. I wish Myles' stayed here and made his career as a Brown, but if we keep rebuilding every year and not achieveing anything (Playoffs? Playoffs?) maybe the Mason incident is the only thing we have going for us: Not only he left a void in the team that probably switched the momentum of the whole season (everything went downhill from that point on), but he was supported by many fans and the team. 

    I'm a sentimental -maybe idealis-t guy, but I wish more players would stay true to their colors and wouldn't change teams so much. Money is money, but I love when a fandom identifies with some players simply because they gave everything for their one team. 

    When even Montana, Manning and Brady switch teams....

    @icecube said:

    When even Montana, Manning and Brady switch teams....

    You forgot Joe Willie and Bernie. End of career situations are completely different... and that's what all five were.

    Sometimes when a team says either, "We are no longer willing to commit to you," or simply, "You are done," to a player... the player simply isn't ready to hear it, let alone agree with it.

    Only Manning, who barely hung on long enough to see another Lombardi, had real success.

    Of course, TB12 is TBD...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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    @icecube said:

    When even Montana, Manning and Brady switch teams....

    You forgot Joe Willie and Bernie. End of career situations are completely different... and that's what all five were.

    Sometimes when a team says either, "We are no longer willing to commit to you," or simply, "You are done," to a player... the player simply isn't ready to hear it, let alone agree with it.

    Only Manning, who barely hung on long enough to see another Lombardi, had real success.

    Of course, TB12 is TBD...

    @tour2ma said:

    You forgot Joe Willie and Bernie. End of career situations are completely different... and that's what all five were.

    Sometimes when a team says either, "We are no longer willing to commit to you," or simply, "You are done," to a player... the player simply isn't ready to hear it, let alone agree with it.

    Only Manning, who barely hung on long enough to see another Lombardi, had real success.

    Of course, TB12 is TBD...

    Yea but don't forget the 2 seasons before his SB win, he was amazing, smashing records. 

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  • NeroN Nero

    The extension is good news, but certainly they have to work Myles' contract. Njoku could be considered into a "prove it" deal: I like his attitude, he had some flashes, but also many drops, mental errors, some injuries... So IMO he hasn't shown that he was worth that 1st round pick yet. 

    @tour2ma said:

    I know business is business, but sometimes the richest deal is as much of a pride thing as it is a financial one. Myles doesn't strike me as one of those guys. Plus I feel like the suspension created a hole in his Browns' career that he may want to fill-in.

    I was thinking the same. I wish Myles' stayed here and made his career as a Brown, but if we keep rebuilding every year and not achieveing anything (Playoffs? Playoffs?) maybe the Mason incident is the only thing we have going for us: Not only he left a void in the team that probably switched the momentum of the whole season (everything went downhill from that point on), but he was supported by many fans and the team. 

    I'm a sentimental -maybe idealis-t guy, but I wish more players would stay true to their colors and wouldn't change teams so much. Money is money, but I love when a fandom identifies with some players simply because they gave everything for their one team. 

    @nero said:

    I wish more players would stay true to their colors

    I don't understand what this thing you call "true" is.  The team deserves precisely as much loyalty as they show the player - no more, no less.  If they want more loyalty, pay the player more.

    The alternative, if we actually think the result would be different.. is a team or three that's owned by the players as a coop so as to show the owners and players how to succeed while running a team with team members [think JT on the Browns for example] on the board - or the FO, depending on how it's structured.

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  • getting the 5th year on Garrett is a fair deal from both sides imo..but the longer ya wait on signing Garrett long term? The price goes up with Yannick and a few others coming up next..

    I think we saw in Njoku what the packers saw in D.Randall...but the Packers let some other team make this 5th year choice..and we did & than dumped him..  Njoku.. Berry got U a 2nd draft gift, till about the trade deadline...U decide!!

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    @nero said:

    The extension is good news, but certainly they have to work Myles' contract. Njoku could be considered into a "prove it" deal: I like his attitude, he had some flashes, but also many drops, mental errors, some injuries... So IMO he hasn't shown that he was worth that 1st round pick yet. 

    I was thinking the same. I wish Myles' stayed here and made his career as a Brown, but if we keep rebuilding every year and not achieveing anything (Playoffs? Playoffs?) maybe the Mason incident is the only thing we have going for us: Not only he left a void in the team that probably switched the momentum of the whole season (everything went downhill from that point on), but he was supported by many fans and the team. 

    I'm a sentimental -maybe idealis-t guy, but I wish more players would stay true to their colors and wouldn't change teams so much. Money is money, but I love when a fandom identifies with some players simply because they gave everything for their one team. 

    When even Montana, Manning and Brady switch teams....

    @icecube said:

    When even Montana, Manning and Brady switch teams....

    I know, but I wouldn't consider they changed teams constantly. All 3 of them (Favre too) switched teams in the late years of their career but still have a very important place in their original team's fandom's memory. 

    @unsympathetic said:

    I don't understand what this thing you call "true" is.  The team deserves precisely as much loyalty as they show the player - no more, no less.  If they want more loyalty, pay the player more.

    100% agreed. That's why I called myself and idealist, because it is about mutual respect and a lot of the time that equals to payroll. I'm not putting all the blame on the players because owners and GMs have a lot of that responsibility. 

    In that sense, American Football is quite weird: on the one hand you have a cap limit and that determines how much they can negotiate with, on the other hand, there are VERY different salaries depending on the position. Every team spot has different positions and some of them are more important, but it amazes me how the best safety in the NFL can play in a team can have a lower contract than an average or mediocre quarterback. 

    I've always thought that must raise the tension in a locker room, at least a bit. 

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    @tour2ma said:

    You forgot Joe Willie and Bernie. End of career situations are completely different... and that's what all five were.

    Sometimes when a team says either, "We are no longer willing to commit to you," or simply, "You are done," to a player... the player simply isn't ready to hear it, let alone agree with it.

    Only Manning, who barely hung on long enough to see another Lombardi, had real success.

    Of course, TB12 is TBD...

    Yea but don't forget the 2 seasons before his SB win, he was amazing, smashing records. 

    @icecube said:

    Yea but don't forget the 2 seasons before his SB win, he was amazing, smashing records. 

    True, but that wasn't the reason he was brought to Denver was it?

    @gumby73 said:

    getting the 5th year on Garrett is a fair deal from both sides imo..but the longer ya wait on signing Garrett long term? The price goes up with Yannick and a few others coming up next..

    I think we saw in Njoku what the packers saw in D.Randall...but the Packers let some other team make this 5th year choice..and we did & than dumped him..  Njoku.. Berry got U a 2nd draft gift, till about the trade deadline...U decide!!

    Yup... Ripping up Myles' current deal and replacing it with a 7-year, front-loaded, $25-ish mm/yr deal would be the way to go IMO. It'll seem cheap before the ink is dry.

    Njoku? As someone said above...  you pull his 5th-year trigger now in case he proves it this year.. or at least come close. But 2020 will determine how hard we go after a new deal with him.

    Here are some MKC musings... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/04/browns-have-exercised-5th-year-options-on-myles-garrett-and-david-njoku.html

    She is reporting that effort will be made to extend both.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • I'd get that deal done w MG ASAP. 

    If we have fans at games this fall I'd be surprised.. so that may eat into the projected total cap / individual salary increases.

    The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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    @icecube said:

    Yea but don't forget the 2 seasons before his SB win, he was amazing, smashing records. 

    True, but that wasn't the reason he was brought to Denver was it?

    @gumby73 said:

    getting the 5th year on Garrett is a fair deal from both sides imo..but the longer ya wait on signing Garrett long term? The price goes up with Yannick and a few others coming up next..

    I think we saw in Njoku what the packers saw in D.Randall...but the Packers let some other team make this 5th year choice..and we did & than dumped him..  Njoku.. Berry got U a 2nd draft gift, till about the trade deadline...U decide!!

    Yup... Ripping up Myles' current deal and replacing it with a 7-year, front-loaded, $25-ish mm/yr deal would be the way to go IMO. It'll seem cheap before the ink is dry.

    Njoku? As someone said above...  you pull his 5th-year trigger now in case he proves it this year.. or at least come close. But 2020 will determine how hard we go after a new deal with him.

    Here are some MKC musings... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/04/browns-have-exercised-5th-year-options-on-myles-garrett-and-david-njoku.html

    She is reporting that effort will be made to extend both.

    @tour2ma said:

    True, but that wasn't the reason he was brought to Denver was it?

    He was brought in to win games and a ring  - he did both. Anytime you QB puts up 5,000 yds and 55 TDs, it gives you a better chance to win. He limped down the stretch but found a way to win a ring. 

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    @tour2ma said:

    True, but that wasn't the reason he was brought to Denver was it?

    He was brought in to win games and a ring  - he did both. Anytime you QB puts up 5,000 yds and 55 TDs, it gives you a better chance to win. He limped down the stretch but found a way to win a ring. 

    @icecube said:

    He was brought in to win games and a ring  - he did both. Anytime you QB puts up 5,000 yds and 55 TDs, it gives you a better chance to win. He limped down the stretch but found a way to win a ring. 

    What I believe Tour means is that Peyton made some record seasons, yes, but at the time he was traded to Denver it was looking more like he was going downhill and the Colts had a better shot with Luck. So his case was more like an 'end of career' situation. 

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