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We have a now veteran QB (3rd year....Prescott going into 5th year). And actually, Prescott has only 1 year where he threw for more TDs that Baker's 27 in his rookie season, and that was this past year with 30. In his 4 years he has thrown 22, 22, 23, and 30 TDs....in all seasons he has started all 16 games. Baker has one year of 22 tds, and one with 27 (in a partial season)
I would wager that if things go right that Baker will surpass any numbers that Dak has ever put up.
Our defense is also made up of a lot of veterans: Garrett in his 4th year is now a veteran. Vernon, Richardson, Ogunjobi, Ward, Joseph, Goodson, Terence Mitchell. We do have some young players as well.
Nope, if they are to be favored, it would be mainly the 3 pt. home field advantage. Plus maybe a point or two for having a veteran SB winning HC instead of a first time HC.
Back to my original point we could catch the Cowboys either way and the Cowboys have been the definition of bipolar (maybe the coaching change clears that up) beating teams like the Eagles and Rams by 20+ and then laying eggs against the Bills at home and the Jets on the road. I could see us catching the beating more than giving it.
like him or not Dak has put together 3 great seasons.I would take Cowboys and -3 at home.
Back to my original point we could catch the Cowboys either way and the Cowboys have been the definition of bipolar (maybe the coaching change clears that up) beating teams like the Eagles and Rams by 20+ and then laying eggs against the Bills at home and the Jets on the road. I could see us catching the beating more than giving it.
like him or not Dak has put together 3 great seasons.Don't know if I would classify them as great. Good, sure. Great? Not in today's football world.
I would take Cowboys and -3 at home.
Yea, like I said....just the 3 pt home field advantage
Maybe we can get more opinions on whether or not these seasons by Dak constitute "great" seasons in this day an age:
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 64 64 40-24-0 1363 2071 65.8 15778 97 4.7 36 1.7 782 90 7.6 7.8 11.6 246.5 97.0 136 826 6.77 6.92 6.2 8 14 60 2016* 23 DAL QB 4 16 16 13-3-0 311 459 67.8 3667 23 5.0 4 0.9 185 83 8.0 8.6 11.8 229.2 104.9 78.8 25 143 7.28 7.86 5.2 5 5 16 2017 24 DAL QB 4 16 16 9-7-0 308 490 62.9 3324 22 4.5 13 2.7 162 81 6.8 6.5 10.8 207.8 86.6 69.5 32 185 6.01 5.74 6.1 0 4 14 2018* 25 DAL QB 4 16 16 10-6-0 356 526 67.7 3885 22 4.2 8 1.5 206 90 7.4 7.5 10.9 242.8 96.9 56.2 56 347 6.08 6.22 9.6 3 5 14 2019 26 DAL QB 4 16 16 8-8-0 388 596 65.1 4902 30 5.0 11 1.8 229 62 8.2 8.4 12.6 306.4 99.7 23 151 7.68 7.84 3.7 16 -
Back to my original point we could catch the Cowboys either way and the Cowboys have been the definition of bipolar (maybe the coaching change clears that up) beating teams like the Eagles and Rams by 20+ and then laying eggs against the Bills at home and the Jets on the road. I could see us catching the beating more than giving it.
like him or not Dak has put together 3 great seasons.Don't know if I would classify them as great. Good, sure. Great? Not in today's football world.
I would take Cowboys and -3 at home.
Yea, like I said....just the 3 pt home field advantage
Maybe we can get more opinions on whether or not these seasons by Dak constitute "great" seasons in this day an age:
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 64 64 40-24-0 1363 2071 65.8 15778 97 4.7 36 1.7 782 90 7.6 7.8 11.6 246.5 97.0 136 826 6.77 6.92 6.2 8 14 60 2016* 23 DAL QB 4 16 16 13-3-0 311 459 67.8 3667 23 5.0 4 0.9 185 83 8.0 8.6 11.8 229.2 104.9 78.8 25 143 7.28 7.86 5.2 5 5 16 2017 24 DAL QB 4 16 16 9-7-0 308 490 62.9 3324 22 4.5 13 2.7 162 81 6.8 6.5 10.8 207.8 86.6 69.5 32 185 6.01 5.74 6.1 0 4 14 2018* 25 DAL QB 4 16 16 10-6-0 356 526 67.7 3885 22 4.2 8 1.5 206 90 7.4 7.5 10.9 242.8 96.9 56.2 56 347 6.08 6.22 9.6 3 5 14 2019 26 DAL QB 4 16 16 8-8-0 388 596 65.1 4902 30 5.0 11 1.8 229 62 8.2 8.4 12.6 306.4 99.7 23 151 7.68 7.84 3.7 16 Maybe we can get more opinions on whether or not these seasons by Dak constitute "great" seasons in this day an age:
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 64 64 40-24-0 1363 2071 65.8 15778 97 4.7 36 1.7 782 90 7.6 7.8 11.6 246.5 97.0 136 826 6.77 6.92 6.2 8 14 60 2016* 23 DAL QB 4 16 16 13-3-0 311 459 67.8 3667 23 5.0 4 0.9 185 83 8.0 8.6 11.8 229.2 104.9 78.8 25 143 7.28 7.86 5.2 5 5 16 2017 24 DAL QB 4 16 16 9-7-0 308 490 62.9 3324 22 4.5 13 2.7 162 81 6.8 6.5 10.8 207.8 86.6 69.5 32 185 6.01 5.74 6.1 0 4 14 2018* 25 DAL QB 4 16 16 10-6-0 356 526 67.7 3885 22 4.2 8 1.5 206 90 7.4 7.5 10.9 242.8 96.9 56.2 56 347 6.08 6.22 9.6 3 5 14 2019 26 DAL QB 4 16 16 8-8-0 388 596 65.1 4902 30 5.0 11 1.8 229 62 8.2 8.4 12.6 306.4 99.7 23 151 7.68 7.84 3.7 16 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
i don’t know what your standard is
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Maybe we can get more opinions on whether or not these seasons by Dak constitute "great" seasons in this day an age:
Passing
Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 64 64 40-24-0 1363 2071 65.8 15778 97 4.7 36 1.7 782 90 7.6 7.8 11.6 246.5 97.0 136 826 6.77 6.92 6.2 8 14 60 2016* 23 DAL QB 4 16 16 13-3-0 311 459 67.8 3667 23 5.0 4 0.9 185 83 8.0 8.6 11.8 229.2 104.9 78.8 25 143 7.28 7.86 5.2 5 5 16 2017 24 DAL QB 4 16 16 9-7-0 308 490 62.9 3324 22 4.5 13 2.7 162 81 6.8 6.5 10.8 207.8 86.6 69.5 32 185 6.01 5.74 6.1 0 4 14 2018* 25 DAL QB 4 16 16 10-6-0 356 526 67.7 3885 22 4.2 8 1.5 206 90 7.4 7.5 10.9 242.8 96.9 56.2 56 347 6.08 6.22 9.6 3 5 14 2019 26 DAL QB 4 16 16 8-8-0 388 596 65.1 4902 30 5.0 11 1.8 229 62 8.2 8.4 12.6 306.4 99.7 23 151 7.68 7.84 3.7 16 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
i don’t know what your standard is
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
i don’t know what your standard is
Well, when 10-12 QBs per year are throwing for 4000 yards, and when QBs are throwing for upwards of 35-40 TDs per year, I would say that Dak did have one really good year (2019) and 3 mediocre years. (where his 3300ish and 22-23 ish TDs would not have put him into the top 10 or 15 in those categories per year)
E.g. in 2018, Baker's rookie year, he had more TDs 27 vs 22 and was only about 160 (3885 vs 3725) yards less than Dak...in only 13 games vs 16 for Dak.
And Baker's "Bad" season last year of 22 TDs and 3827 yards, was as good as or better than Dak's first 3 years. (Baker's year was "bad" admittedly because of the 21 Ints. he threw....which is quite a few more than Dak has thrown in any year in his careeer). But that is just in comparison to Baker, not to any other QB in the league.
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01.htm
i don’t know what your standard is
Well, when 10-12 QBs per year are throwing for 4000 yards, and when QBs are throwing for upwards of 35-40 TDs per year, I would say that Dak did have one really good year (2019) and 3 mediocre years. (where his 3300ish and 22-23 ish TDs would not have put him into the top 10 or 15 in those categories per year)
E.g. in 2018, Baker's rookie year, he had more TDs 27 vs 22 and was only about 160 (3885 vs 3725) yards less than Dak...in only 13 games vs 16 for Dak.
And Baker's "Bad" season last year of 22 TDs and 3827 yards, was as good as or better than Dak's first 3 years. (Baker's year was "bad" admittedly because of the 21 Ints. he threw....which is quite a few more than Dak has thrown in any year in his careeer). But that is just in comparison to Baker, not to any other QB in the league.
Well, when 10-12 QBs per year are throwing for 4000 yards, and when QBs are throwing for upwards of 35-40 TDs per year, I would say that Dak did have one really good year (2019) and 3 mediocre years. (where his 3300ish and 22-23 ish TDs would not have put him into the top 10 or 15 in those categories per year)
E.g. in 2018, Baker's rookie year, he had more TDs 27 vs 22 and was only about 160 (3885 vs 3725) yards less than Dak...in only 13 games vs 16 for Dak.
And Baker's "Bad" season last year of 22 TDs and 3827 yards, was as good as or better than Dak's first 3 years. (Baker's year was "bad" admittedly because of the 21 Ints. he threw....which is quite a few more than Dak has thrown in any year in his careeer). But that is just in comparison to Baker, not to any other QB in the league.
Well 2018 was a Pro Bowl year for Dak and 2016 he threw for 23 TDS and only 4 INTs.
i don’t even know what to make or where to start with your last paragraph
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Well, when 10-12 QBs per year are throwing for 4000 yards, and when QBs are throwing for upwards of 35-40 TDs per year, I would say that Dak did have one really good year (2019) and 3 mediocre years. (where his 3300ish and 22-23 ish TDs would not have put him into the top 10 or 15 in those categories per year)
E.g. in 2018, Baker's rookie year, he had more TDs 27 vs 22 and was only about 160 (3885 vs 3725) yards less than Dak...in only 13 games vs 16 for Dak.
And Baker's "Bad" season last year of 22 TDs and 3827 yards, was as good as or better than Dak's first 3 years. (Baker's year was "bad" admittedly because of the 21 Ints. he threw....which is quite a few more than Dak has thrown in any year in his careeer). But that is just in comparison to Baker, not to any other QB in the league.
Well 2018 was a Pro Bowl year for Dak and 2016 he threw for 23 TDS and only 4 INTs.
i don’t even know what to make or where to start with your last paragraph
i could give a flip about the Cowboys but he’s put up great numbers overall in four years.Well 2018 was a Pro Bowl year for Dak and 2016 he threw for 23 TDS and only 4 INTs.
i don’t even know what to make or where to start with your last paragraph
What you make of it is this: In 2019 Baker had 22 TDs....and 3827 yards. Which numbers are essentially as good or better than 3 out of 4 seasons that Dak has played.
Even in Daks "good season" the team only went 8-8 and did not make the playoffs.
Or you can make this of it: I would NOT trade Baker's future for Dak's. OK, sure, one was #1 overall, and the under was an underrated 4th round pick. Be that as it may.....I like Baker's chances, if we were just comparing those two. But we can't just compare those two, because you set the "standard" by saying Dak had put together 3 GREAT seasons, meaning you were comparing him to the rest of the QBs in the NFL.
So, 2019, Dak was second in the league with most passing yards. He was 4th with 30 TDs.
In 2018 he was 15th in passing yards. He was 16th in TDs
In 2017 he was 16th in passing yards. He was 14th in TDs
in 2016 he was 19th in passing yards. He was 16th in TDs.
These stats tell us that statistically, he has been a middle of the road NFL QB. But...he may be getting better, since this last season was by far better than his previous 3. You may want to throw in some other stats, don't know if that will help. He has had good, low Ints. percentages (does that mean he is cautious) He is having a "great-ish" career....for a 4th round draft pick, I will grant you that.
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We got thrown out of Jerry's place in 2012, after the 3rd PI call in a row on Buster Skrine. Refs gave the Cowboys that game.
Beautiful stadium, but it's weird in a way....not many tailgaters at Cowboy games it seems. There were many Browns fans about doing that.
Someone said it costs like 50-100 bucks to park there. Is there public transportation to get to the stadium? At those prices maybe everyone decides to ride to the games, thus not tailgating.
Someone said it costs like 50-100 bucks to park there. Is there public transportation to get to the stadium? At those prices maybe everyone decides to ride to the games, thus not tailgating.
I do recall it was pricey, but it didn't stop us. But you might be right on the public transportation.
I have heard that the Dallas-Fort Worth area has the highest cost-of-living outside of the coastal cities in the USA.
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Well 2018 was a Pro Bowl year for Dak and 2016 he threw for 23 TDS and only 4 INTs.
i don’t even know what to make or where to start with your last paragraph
What you make of it is this: In 2019 Baker had 22 TDs....and 3827 yards. Which numbers are essentially as good or better than 3 out of 4 seasons that Dak has played.
Even in Daks "good season" the team only went 8-8 and did not make the playoffs.
Or you can make this of it: I would NOT trade Baker's future for Dak's. OK, sure, one was #1 overall, and the under was an underrated 4th round pick. Be that as it may.....I like Baker's chances, if we were just comparing those two. But we can't just compare those two, because you set the "standard" by saying Dak had put together 3 GREAT seasons, meaning you were comparing him to the rest of the QBs in the NFL.
So, 2019, Dak was second in the league with most passing yards. He was 4th with 30 TDs.
In 2018 he was 15th in passing yards. He was 16th in TDs
In 2017 he was 16th in passing yards. He was 14th in TDs
in 2016 he was 19th in passing yards. He was 16th in TDs.
These stats tell us that statistically, he has been a middle of the road NFL QB. But...he may be getting better, since this last season was by far better than his previous 3. You may want to throw in some other stats, don't know if that will help. He has had good, low Ints. percentages (does that mean he is cautious) He is having a "great-ish" career....for a 4th round draft pick, I will grant you that.
What you make of it is this: In 2019 Baker had 22 TDs....and 3827 yards. Which numbers are essentially as good or better than 3 out of 4 seasons that Dak has played.
Even in Daks "good season" the team only went 8-8 and did not make the playoffs.
Or you can make this of it: I would NOT trade Baker's future for Dak's. OK, sure, one was #1 overall, and the under was an underrated 4th round pick. Be that as it may.....I like Baker's chances, if we were just comparing those two. But we can't just compare those two, because you set the "standard" by saying Dak had put together 3 GREAT seasons, meaning you were comparing him to the rest of the QBs in the NFL.
So, 2019, Dak was second in the league with most passing yards. He was 4th with 30 TDs.
In 2018 he was 15th in passing yards. He was 16th in TDs
In 2017 he was 16th in passing yards. He was 14th in TDs
in 2016 he was 19th in passing yards. He was 16th in TDs.
These stats tell us that statistically, he has been a middle of the road NFL QB. But...he may be getting better, since this last season was by far better than his previous 3. You may want to throw in some other stats, don't know if that will help. He has had good, low Ints. percentages (does that mean he is cautious) He is having a "great-ish" career....for a 4th round draft pick, I will grant you that.
He (Baker) had 21 INTs I think you and I value different qualities and stats with our QBs
there is no use arguing anymore.
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We are playing the Jags Week 12
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What you make of it is this: In 2019 Baker had 22 TDs....and 3827 yards. Which numbers are essentially as good or better than 3 out of 4 seasons that Dak has played.
Even in Daks "good season" the team only went 8-8 and did not make the playoffs.
Or you can make this of it: I would NOT trade Baker's future for Dak's. OK, sure, one was #1 overall, and the under was an underrated 4th round pick. Be that as it may.....I like Baker's chances, if we were just comparing those two. But we can't just compare those two, because you set the "standard" by saying Dak had put together 3 GREAT seasons, meaning you were comparing him to the rest of the QBs in the NFL.
So, 2019, Dak was second in the league with most passing yards. He was 4th with 30 TDs.
In 2018 he was 15th in passing yards. He was 16th in TDs
In 2017 he was 16th in passing yards. He was 14th in TDs
in 2016 he was 19th in passing yards. He was 16th in TDs.
These stats tell us that statistically, he has been a middle of the road NFL QB. But...he may be getting better, since this last season was by far better than his previous 3. You may want to throw in some other stats, don't know if that will help. He has had good, low Ints. percentages (does that mean he is cautious) He is having a "great-ish" career....for a 4th round draft pick, I will grant you that.
He (Baker) had 21 INTs I think you and I value different qualities and stats with our QBs
there is no use arguing anymore.
He (Baker) had 21 INTs I think you and I value different qualities and stats with our QBs
there is no use arguing anymore.
I said that was Baker's one drawback.
On the other hand, it may be indicative of Baker taking more risks, and Dak being a far more conservative QB.
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supposed to be announced in about a half hr.
Jim Donovan says it will be the fourth weakest schedule in the NFL.
about time we caught a break.
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Cool having the home opener on primetime
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So much for the rumor that they were going to put all the non -conference games in the beginning of the season.
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So much for rumors like "all the AFC/NFC meetings will be in the 1st 4 weeks".
Tough opening turnaround for us with BLT on a Sunday then hosting the Bengals the following Thursday nite.
Also gets a little crazy at the end with 3 games in a 12-day span... hosting BLT on MNF than at NYG and at NYJ.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
So much for rumors like "all the AFC/NFC meetings will be in the 1st 4 weeks".
Tough opening turnaround for us with BLT on a Sunday then hosting the Bengals the following Thursday nite.
Also gets a little crazy at the end with 3 games in a 12-day span... hosting BLT on MNF than at NYG and at NYJ.
So much for rumors like "all the AFC/NFC meetings will be in the 1st 4 weeks".
Tough opening turnaround for us with BLT on a Sunday then hosting the Bengals the following Thursday nite.
Also gets a little crazy at the end with 3 games in a 12-day span... hosting BLT on MNF than at NYG and at NYJ.
Christmas in NYC anyone?
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So much for rumors like "all the AFC/NFC meetings will be in the 1st 4 weeks".
Tough opening turnaround for us with BLT on a Sunday then hosting the Bengals the following Thursday nite.
Also gets a little crazy at the end with 3 games in a 12-day span... hosting BLT on MNF than at NYG and at NYJ.
Christmas in NYC anyone?
Christmas in NYC anyone?
In Coronaville? I don't think so.??
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Mid December Monday Night game vs Baltimore will be a tad nipply.
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Ravens with time to prepare (we should know Lamar by now but still). Week 1 maybe catch them off guard. They will be seeing new Browns schemes.
Burrow second start in the Pound Like that too.
Redskins at home. Yep.
great shot at 3-0.
Brutal stretch after the bye but three of those at homes.
Tanking NY teams at the end.
Beat the Steelers at home to seal a playoff spot.
this could be the most favorable schedule in a long time
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