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  • @barry said:

    You mind me asking what kind of job you have where you are tested daily? Also, a good point was brought up about the bathrooms being a problem (people congregating).

    I am in the coast guard. We save lives daily. We are just making sure that we all are in good health. I guess a certain temperature means we may have some kinda something. In the last few months we have saved many people and disputed many drugs coming into the us. We didn't get a port call on a 90 day patrol, but everyone is safe and healthy.

    BarryB Barry wrote on last edited by
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    @cambridgeho said:

    I am in the coast guard. We save lives daily. We are just making sure that we all are in good health. I guess a certain temperature means we may have some kinda something. In the last few months we have saved many people and disputed many drugs coming into the us. We didn't get a port call on a 90 day patrol, but everyone is safe and healthy.

    Wow, let me repeat Icecube and say thank you. You are one of the silent heroes whom we don't read about every day but who literally put their lives on the line daily. 

    A somewhat related, curious question. Has the pandemic affected the rate of drug interdiction or episodes you encounter? It may be too early in it to call it but my guess is that the bad guys are using this period to try to slip in under the door.

  • They let Cambridge ho's in the coast guard?   Cool.

    BarryB Barry wrote on last edited by Barry
    #31

    @orion said:

    They let Cambridge ho's in the coast guard?   Cool.

    Hey, he's cool in my book. The only problem I may have with him is that....the Browns...ok...the Cavs...maybe before...but putting the Indians ahead of hot, naked women? Damn, I hope that's not in order. ?

  • @the-gipper said:

    If everything was roughly the same as they are now.....then no one would be going to games and they would not be allowed.  So that particular question is superfluous.   Your question is:  How much better must things get before the league/cities/states  would allow fans to go to games,  and if they were allowed, would you go?

    And don't be so foolish to think that a question like you asked would not be turned into a debate.  You invited a debate by asking it. 

    Things are already "better" here in FL (depending on how you define what "better" means). Our beaches have gone from closed, to "partially open" (i.e. you were allowed to walk or jog or swim, but not sit in a chair...huh?) and now the beaches are fully open - you're allowed to lay or sit. Some of our eateries are open for dinning in, starting tomorrow - with restrictions (only allowed 25% occupancy at any one time). If this loosening of restrictions do not lead to an increase of CV, then I think things are truly "better." 

    This whole thing wreaks of hidden agendas so it's hard to trust ANY of what we are told. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @icecube said:

    Things are already "better" here in FL (depending on how you define what "better" means). Our beaches have gone from closed, to "partially open" (i.e. you were allowed to walk or jog or swim, but not sit in a chair...huh?) and now the beaches are fully open - you're allowed to lay or sit. Some of our eateries are open for dinning in, starting tomorrow - with restrictions (only allowed 25% occupancy at any one time). If this loosening of restrictions do not lead to an increase of CV, then I think things are truly "better." 

    Well.....there is the key.....are things "better"  or is it just that people are tired of dealing with the restrictions?    If the cases spike tremendously, then maybe we will see that it is just the latter. 

    There are so many stories/rumors, you don't know what to believe.  Some say that the hot sun kills the virus, and thus those Florida beaches would be safe  (but that does not mean that the virus could not be in the bathrooms and in the internal areas.)

    This whole thing wreaks of hidden agendas so it's hard to trust ANY of what we are told. 

    Or, more likely there are few hidden agendas, just people that want to find something nefarious where it does not exist. 

  • @barry said:

    You mind me asking what kind of job you have where you are tested daily? Also, a good point was brought up about the bathrooms being a problem (people congregating).

    I am in the coast guard. We save lives daily. We are just making sure that we all are in good health. I guess a certain temperature means we may have some kinda something. In the last few months we have saved many people and disputed many drugs coming into the us. We didn't get a port call on a 90 day patrol, but everyone is safe and healthy.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #33

    @cambridgeho said:

    I am in the coast guard. We save lives daily. We are just making sure that we all are in good health. I guess a certain temperature means we may have some kinda something. In the last few months we have saved many people and disputed many drugs coming into the us. We didn't get a port call on a 90 day patrol, but everyone is safe and healthy.

    How do you "dispute" drugs coming into the US?  Just curious about that terminology.

    Nevertheless, good job.  Where are you stationed out of?   Here in the Great Lakes? 

  • @the-gipper said:

    If everything was roughly the same as they are now.....then no one would be going to games and they would not be allowed.  So that particular question is superfluous.   Your question is:  How much better must things get before the league/cities/states  would allow fans to go to games,  and if they were allowed, would you go?

    And don't be so foolish to think that a question like you asked would not be turned into a debate.  You invited a debate by asking it. 

    You can be really boring sometimes...and predictable.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @barry said:

    You can be really boring sometimes...and predictable.

    But only when it comes to shitting in someone else's thread.

  • @barry said:

    You can be really boring sometimes...and predictable.

    But only when it comes to shitting in someone else's thread.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    But only when it comes to shitting in someone else's thread.

    Except, naturally, again you are an  ignorant  feckless orifice  of what was being asked and what was being said.

    I gave a very specific answer to a very specific question that had  a very specific contingency therein.  He just didn't like the answer because, apparently it was truthful...and because he realized he didn't ask the question that he really intended to ask. 

    I mean, he asked "what color is the sky"....and when I answered "blue".....he kind of pissed because he really meant to ask what color is the sky at night. 

  • @barry said:

    You mind me asking what kind of job you have where you are tested daily? Also, a good point was brought up about the bathrooms being a problem (people congregating).

    I am in the coast guard. We save lives daily. We are just making sure that we all are in good health. I guess a certain temperature means we may have some kinda something. In the last few months we have saved many people and disputed many drugs coming into the us. We didn't get a port call on a 90 day patrol, but everyone is safe and healthy.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    Would I attend? No. I've already passed on far more important events.

    @cambridgeho said:

    I am in the coast guard. We save lives daily. We are just making sure that we all are in good health. I guess a certain temperature means we may have some kinda something. In the last few months we have saved many people and disputed many drugs coming into the us. We didn't get a port call on a 90 day patrol, but everyone is safe and healthy.

    I want to add my thanks as well... but for your avatar. 😉

    Was the no "port call" an isolation decision?

  • D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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    I would go. 

  • @barry said:

    You can be really boring sometimes...and predictable.

    But only when it comes to shitting in someone else's thread.

    BarryB Barry wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    But only when it comes to shitting in someone else's thread.

    You're right. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    But only when it comes to shitting in someone else's thread.

    You're right. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @barry said:

    You're right. 

    You shit on your own thread because you had no clue how to ask the question you really wanted answered, so I had to fix it for you.

    You're Welcome. 

  • @cambridgeho said:

    I am in the coast guard. We save lives daily. We are just making sure that we all are in good health. I guess a certain temperature means we may have some kinda something. In the last few months we have saved many people and disputed many drugs coming into the us. We didn't get a port call on a 90 day patrol, but everyone is safe and healthy.

    Wow, let me repeat Icecube and say thank you. You are one of the silent heroes whom we don't read about every day but who literally put their lives on the line daily. 

    A somewhat related, curious question. Has the pandemic affected the rate of drug interdiction or episodes you encounter? It may be too early in it to call it but my guess is that the bad guys are using this period to try to slip in under the door.

    cambridgehoC cambridgeho wrote on last edited by
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    @barry said:

    Wow, let me repeat Icecube and say thank you. You are one of the silent heroes whom we don't read about every day but who literally put their lives on the line daily. 

    A somewhat related, curious question. Has the pandemic affected the rate of drug interdiction or episodes you encounter? It may be too early in it to call it but my guess is that the bad guys are using this period to try to slip in under the door.

    It's normal ops still.

  • @cambridgeho said:

    I am in the coast guard. We save lives daily. We are just making sure that we all are in good health. I guess a certain temperature means we may have some kinda something. In the last few months we have saved many people and disputed many drugs coming into the us. We didn't get a port call on a 90 day patrol, but everyone is safe and healthy.

    How do you "dispute" drugs coming into the US?  Just curious about that terminology.

    Nevertheless, good job.  Where are you stationed out of?   Here in the Great Lakes? 

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    @the-gipper said:

    How do you "dispute" drugs coming into the US?  Just curious about that terminology.

    Nevertheless, good job.  Where are you stationed out of?   Here in the Great Lakes? 

    Sorry, meant disrupt. I have been stationed on the great lakes, Lorain and buffalo. Right now I am stationed out of Portsmouth VA. 270' life.

  • Would I attend? No. I've already passed on far more important events.

    @cambridgeho said:

    I am in the coast guard. We save lives daily. We are just making sure that we all are in good health. I guess a certain temperature means we may have some kinda something. In the last few months we have saved many people and disputed many drugs coming into the us. We didn't get a port call on a 90 day patrol, but everyone is safe and healthy.

    I want to add my thanks as well... but for your avatar. 😉

    Was the no "port call" an isolation decision?

    cambridgehoC cambridgeho wrote on last edited by
    #42

    @tour2ma said:

    Would I attend? No. I've already passed on far more important events.

    I want to add my thanks as well... but for your avatar. 😉

    Was the no "port call" an isolation decision?

    Yes, by the countries. 

  • @orion said:

    They let Cambridge ho's in the coast guard?   Cool.

    Hey, he's cool in my book. The only problem I may have with him is that....the Browns...ok...the Cavs...maybe before...but putting the Indians ahead of hot, naked women? Damn, I hope that's not in order. ?

    cambridgehoC cambridgeho wrote on last edited by
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    @barry said:

    Hey, he's cool in my book. The only problem I may have with him is that....the Browns...ok...the Cavs...maybe before...but putting the Indians ahead of hot, naked women? Damn, I hope that's not in order. ?

    These are in order of things that let me down.

  • If there's been no progress? Hard pass from me, then. 

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    @dutch-oven said:

    If there's been no progress? Hard pass from me, then. 

    Yeah, not interested, even if they allow fans. 

    @barry said:

    Interesting results so far. About 2/3 wouldn't go and 1/3 would, if it's status quo in September. I would imagine that the league would have several areas of concern they'd have to consider in order to have games. 1) Level of interests by fans to attend. If, for example, 2/3 of season ticket holders don't attend, how could teams legally fill those seats? A waiver would have to be signed. If you were a season ticket holder would you sign one? I don't think many would without some form of payment.

    Second, the NFL would have to have fans and players sign a non-liability statement which would make it impossible for anyone to sue the NFL for damages if/when someone was to get sick and/or die.

    Third, if a few people did die what kind of PR hit would the NFL take?

    Things will change between now and then. Will be interesting to see what happens. Any thoughts about it?

    As a season ticket holder- they can't legally fill my seat with someone else if I don't attend. They can't do non-liability agreements either because you'd have no way of proving you contracted covid at a game. I'm betting if games get cancelled or played with no fans in the stands- they're just going to tell the season ticket holders we're giving you a credit on your 2021 tickets and no refunds. I'm almost willing to bet on it. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Except, naturally, again you are an  ignorant  feckless orifice  of what was being asked and what was being said.

    I gave a very specific answer to a very specific question that had  a very specific contingency therein.  He just didn't like the answer because, apparently it was truthful...and because he realized he didn't ask the question that he really intended to ask. 

    I mean, he asked "what color is the sky"....and when I answered "blue".....he kind of pissed because he really meant to ask what color is the sky at night. 

    Gipper, you know what he meant, and you had to butt in and get technical about it. It was a straightforward question- and YOU brought up the contingency. Don't make me start deleting your smart ass retorts and name calling. 

  • @barry said:

    You're right. 

    You shit on your own thread because you had no clue how to ask the question you really wanted answered, so I had to fix it for you.

    You're Welcome. 

    BarryB Barry wrote on last edited by Barry
    #45

    @the-gipper said:

    You shit on your own thread because you had no clue how to ask the question you really wanted answered, so I had to fix it for you.

    You're Welcome. 

    Your problem (yes it is your problem), is that you consistently and willingly go far down a wrong path. You do it by throwing out meaningless 'objections' or 'challenges' to assumptions with which a person with half a brain understands the context in which it is asked. In other words your 'clarifications' add no value to the conversation whatsoever and it's only purpose, as far as I can tell, is that it gives you some feel of exceptionalism over others. This is shown by your constant referencing that people should 'thank you', or by your challenging people by telling them they are 'afraid of the 'truth', etc. for which I can only understand you to mean that you believe that you are the only one on the side of 'truth' and if only we agree with you will we 'understand'.  

    And then you are so weak that you get into pissing contests with anyone who disagrees with you, but it's not the usual kind of pissing contests you see in forums like these. It's your goal to personally insult the person more and more until  they just get exhausted and quit responding. Then you are 'satisfied' that you won. 

    What a bunch of shit. I'm new here and when I first started reading this forum really liked the people and the comments (I still do). There are people in here that know football a lot better than I do and I am excited to learn more. But you are constantly turning this forum into your own playpen, acting out all your unhappiness and bitterness with people in here, and it gets old, at least for me (perhaps others might not feel the same). The thing is, you sometimes raise excellent points, and your referencing Browns things from yesteryear are great. But, imo,  those times are just completely drowned out by your obnoxious behaviour.

    So, for the record, I am not pissed. That would take too much energy and, to be frank, you're not worth it. There is just so much negativity in your writing that I choose to pass over them, and not to respond to your comments, except one time to explain it here as a reply to your several references to me. Part of my deciding not to engage you is also because I think it's too bad that so much of this forum's time and energy is spent focused around you and your insulting people or 'correcting' them. But hey, that's what social media is all about. We can't all be satisfied with the directions it takes. Other people on here may disagree with me, and I have no doubt that you will feel compelled to answer in your usual way, but I thought I owed you an explanation.  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    If there's been no progress? Hard pass from me, then. 

    Yeah, not interested, even if they allow fans. 

    @barry said:

    Interesting results so far. About 2/3 wouldn't go and 1/3 would, if it's status quo in September. I would imagine that the league would have several areas of concern they'd have to consider in order to have games. 1) Level of interests by fans to attend. If, for example, 2/3 of season ticket holders don't attend, how could teams legally fill those seats? A waiver would have to be signed. If you were a season ticket holder would you sign one? I don't think many would without some form of payment.

    Second, the NFL would have to have fans and players sign a non-liability statement which would make it impossible for anyone to sue the NFL for damages if/when someone was to get sick and/or die.

    Third, if a few people did die what kind of PR hit would the NFL take?

    Things will change between now and then. Will be interesting to see what happens. Any thoughts about it?

    As a season ticket holder- they can't legally fill my seat with someone else if I don't attend. They can't do non-liability agreements either because you'd have no way of proving you contracted covid at a game. I'm betting if games get cancelled or played with no fans in the stands- they're just going to tell the season ticket holders we're giving you a credit on your 2021 tickets and no refunds. I'm almost willing to bet on it. 

    @the-gipper said:

    Except, naturally, again you are an  ignorant  feckless orifice  of what was being asked and what was being said.

    I gave a very specific answer to a very specific question that had  a very specific contingency therein.  He just didn't like the answer because, apparently it was truthful...and because he realized he didn't ask the question that he really intended to ask. 

    I mean, he asked "what color is the sky"....and when I answered "blue".....he kind of pissed because he really meant to ask what color is the sky at night. 

    Gipper, you know what he meant, and you had to butt in and get technical about it. It was a straightforward question- and YOU brought up the contingency. Don't make me start deleting your smart ass retorts and name calling. 

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
    #46

    @hoorta said:

    Yeah, not interested, even if they allow fans. 

    As a season ticket holder- they can't legally fill my seat with someone else if I don't attend. They can't do non-liability agreements either because you'd have no way of proving you contracted covid at a game. I'm betting if games get cancelled or played with no fans in the stands- they're just going to tell the season ticket holders we're giving you a credit on your 2021 tickets and no refunds. I'm almost willing to bet on it. 

    Gipper, you know what he meant, and you had to butt in and get technical about it. It was a straightforward question- and YOU brought up the contingency. Don't make me start deleting your smart ass retorts and name calling. 

    Yes, I brought up the contingencies, because those contingencies were of all consuming importance in giving a reasonable and realistic  and proper answer to the question.....as evidenced by your own response above, which was almost precisely  the same as my answer:  that it depends on if games are canceled or if they will allow fans into the games.   So,  I guess  I am giving smart answers since it was the same as yours.     If it takes getting technical to provide a right answer, so be it. 

    And why would you ignore the  equally smart ass retorts and name calling directed toward me?   (because you know that I can handle them by  myself?)

  • @the-gipper said:

    You shit on your own thread because you had no clue how to ask the question you really wanted answered, so I had to fix it for you.

    You're Welcome. 

    Your problem (yes it is your problem), is that you consistently and willingly go far down a wrong path. You do it by throwing out meaningless 'objections' or 'challenges' to assumptions with which a person with half a brain understands the context in which it is asked. In other words your 'clarifications' add no value to the conversation whatsoever and it's only purpose, as far as I can tell, is that it gives you some feel of exceptionalism over others. This is shown by your constant referencing that people should 'thank you', or by your challenging people by telling them they are 'afraid of the 'truth', etc. for which I can only understand you to mean that you believe that you are the only one on the side of 'truth' and if only we agree with you will we 'understand'.  

    And then you are so weak that you get into pissing contests with anyone who disagrees with you, but it's not the usual kind of pissing contests you see in forums like these. It's your goal to personally insult the person more and more until  they just get exhausted and quit responding. Then you are 'satisfied' that you won. 

    What a bunch of shit. I'm new here and when I first started reading this forum really liked the people and the comments (I still do). There are people in here that know football a lot better than I do and I am excited to learn more. But you are constantly turning this forum into your own playpen, acting out all your unhappiness and bitterness with people in here, and it gets old, at least for me (perhaps others might not feel the same). The thing is, you sometimes raise excellent points, and your referencing Browns things from yesteryear are great. But, imo,  those times are just completely drowned out by your obnoxious behaviour.

    So, for the record, I am not pissed. That would take too much energy and, to be frank, you're not worth it. There is just so much negativity in your writing that I choose to pass over them, and not to respond to your comments, except one time to explain it here as a reply to your several references to me. Part of my deciding not to engage you is also because I think it's too bad that so much of this forum's time and energy is spent focused around you and your insulting people or 'correcting' them. But hey, that's what social media is all about. We can't all be satisfied with the directions it takes. Other people on here may disagree with me, and I have no doubt that you will feel compelled to answer in your usual way, but I thought I owed you an explanation.  

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @barry said:

    Your problem (yes it is your problem), is that you consistently and willingly go far down a wrong path.

    Err...you mean the right path. 

    You do it by throwing out meaningless 'objections' or 'challenges' to assumptions with which a person with half a brain understands the context in which it is asked.

    That context being that they are by no means meaningless, but rather were critical to the reality of the situation

    In other words your 'clarifications' add no value to the conversation whatsoever and it's only purpose, as far as I can tell, is that it gives you some feel of exceptionalism over others.

    The purpose was simply to give a full, complete, cogent answer.  And I don't know for exceptionalism...I only know that it provided accuracy.

    This is shown by your constant referencing that people should 'thank you', or by your challenging people by telling them they are 'afraid of the 'truth', etc. for which I can only understand you to mean that you believe that you are the only one on the side of 'truth' and if only we agree with you will we 'understand'.  

    I think I just used it once....to you.  And certainly I don't think that there are "sides"  to the truth. In fact, I don't think you or anyone really disagreed with my answers,  you just apparently didn't like it that I didn't give a black and white answer to a complex question that required some analysis. (which, by the way....isn't that exactly what you said was needed about a subject in another thread?)

    And then you are so weak that you get into pissing contests with anyone who disagrees with you,

    Actually, all I did was to give, like I said, a complete and analytical  and reasoned answer to the question you asked.  And, again, I don't think anyone really disagreed with that answer.  It was YOU who started the pissing contest because I didn't give you the black and white answer you wanted.  Do you really not recognize your responsibility there?

    but it's not the usual kind of pissing contests you see in forums like these. It's your goal to personally insult the person more and more until  they just get exhausted and quit responding. Then you are 'satisfied' that you won. 

    Have you been keeping score?  I haven't?  All I have been doing is trying to talk football....and give honest, complete information on any question. 

    What a bunch of shit. I'm new here and when I first started reading this forum really liked the people and the comments (I still do). There are people in here that know football a lot better than I do and I am excited to learn more. But you are constantly turning this forum into your own playpen, acting out all your unhappiness and bitterness with people in here,

    I have no unhappiness nor bitterness toward anyone here....Perhaps I do engage in the occasional "slamfest"  with a couple of people....but that is because I know that they can give as good as they can get.

    and it gets old, at least for me (perhaps others might not feel the same). The thing is, you sometimes raise excellent points, and your referencing Browns things from yesteryear are great. But, imo,  those times are just completely drowned out by your obnoxious behaviour.

    Or, maybe, as it seems, you are just overly sensitive. 

    So, for the record, I am not pissed. That would take too much energy and, to be frank, you're not worth it.

    Oops, too late. 

    There is just so much negativity in your writing that I choose to pass over them, and not to respond to your comments,

    apparently not.

    except one time to explain it here as a reply to your several references to me.

    I never made any reference to you that was not in reply to a reference by you to me.  Again...take responsibility for your own actions. 

    Part of my deciding not to engage you is also because I think it's too bad that so much of this forum's time and energy is spent focused around you and your insulting people or 'correcting' them.

    So, you are saying that it is more acceptable to let bad/wrong information go unchallenged than it is to give the correct information because someone might be offended because they have been given the right data?  

    But hey, that's what social media is all about. We can't all be satisfied with the directions it takes. Other people on here may disagree with me, and I have no doubt that you will feel compelled to answer in your usual way, but I thought I owed you an explanation.  

    No, you didn't owe me an explanation. It is not something I would have ever expected or asked for. Perhaps you felt you owed yourself a justification.   So be it. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    You shit on your own thread because you had no clue how to ask the question you really wanted answered, so I had to fix it for you.

    You're Welcome. 

    Your problem (yes it is your problem), is that you consistently and willingly go far down a wrong path. You do it by throwing out meaningless 'objections' or 'challenges' to assumptions with which a person with half a brain understands the context in which it is asked. In other words your 'clarifications' add no value to the conversation whatsoever and it's only purpose, as far as I can tell, is that it gives you some feel of exceptionalism over others. This is shown by your constant referencing that people should 'thank you', or by your challenging people by telling them they are 'afraid of the 'truth', etc. for which I can only understand you to mean that you believe that you are the only one on the side of 'truth' and if only we agree with you will we 'understand'.  

    And then you are so weak that you get into pissing contests with anyone who disagrees with you, but it's not the usual kind of pissing contests you see in forums like these. It's your goal to personally insult the person more and more until  they just get exhausted and quit responding. Then you are 'satisfied' that you won. 

    What a bunch of shit. I'm new here and when I first started reading this forum really liked the people and the comments (I still do). There are people in here that know football a lot better than I do and I am excited to learn more. But you are constantly turning this forum into your own playpen, acting out all your unhappiness and bitterness with people in here, and it gets old, at least for me (perhaps others might not feel the same). The thing is, you sometimes raise excellent points, and your referencing Browns things from yesteryear are great. But, imo,  those times are just completely drowned out by your obnoxious behaviour.

    So, for the record, I am not pissed. That would take too much energy and, to be frank, you're not worth it. There is just so much negativity in your writing that I choose to pass over them, and not to respond to your comments, except one time to explain it here as a reply to your several references to me. Part of my deciding not to engage you is also because I think it's too bad that so much of this forum's time and energy is spent focused around you and your insulting people or 'correcting' them. But hey, that's what social media is all about. We can't all be satisfied with the directions it takes. Other people on here may disagree with me, and I have no doubt that you will feel compelled to answer in your usual way, but I thought I owed you an explanation.  

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
    #48

    @barry said:

    Other people on here may disagree with me...

    Or not... 🙂

    FYI... place your pointer over screen name and a pop up opens with an interesting option and potential solution.

  • @barry said:

    Other people on here may disagree with me...

    Or not... 🙂

    FYI... place your pointer over screen name and a pop up opens with an interesting option and potential solution.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #49

    @tour2ma said:

    Or not... 🙂

    FYI... place your pointer over screen name and a pop up opens with an interesting option and potential solution.

    Yes, he is advocating that you go the route of the invertebrate, as he has.