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What is the biggest factor in Browns winning season??

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  • ATOMA ATOM wrote on
    #18

    chomps

  • OrionO Orion

    @icecube said:

    I don't buy the "whole new system" thing.

    I do.

    It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire.  Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces.  They have to learn how to work together.

    Too much newness to expect great things.  I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype.   ---  i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem.  Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough.  After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field.

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on
    #19

    @orion said:

    I do.

    It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire.  Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces.  They have to learn how to work together.

    Too much newness to expect great things.  I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype.   ---  i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem.  Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough.  After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field.

    That's what I'm worried about too. I think all the teams with new coaching staffs may be behind the 8 ball.

    Like others mentioned,  the defense is a concern. I'm glad Wilks is gone, that scheme sucked. But it may take time to gel 

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  • B blitzz2 wrote on
    #20

    OL Play, protect the cornerstone..

    LB, pretty thin there, guess we will see if Mack and Co step up. Hopefully after training camp cuts, there will be some unexpected LB cuts.

    Coaching. Freddie was way in over his head,  Stef. hopefully plants the foundation going forward.

  • OrionO Orion

    @icecube said:

    There are a limited amount of routes ran,

    Yes there are...but there are routes that some offensive systems really don't run.

    We have the talent to be successful.  If the ducks line up nicely.

    I Icecube wrote on
    #21

    @orion said:

    Yes there are...but there are routes that some offensive systems really don't run.

    We have the talent to be successful.  If the ducks line up nicely.

    True. If there is an epiphany. Let Stef have a chance. Let him run it. 

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #22

    Scoring more than the other teams.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Biggest factor?

    Health...

    I Icecube wrote on
    #23

    @tour2ma said:

    Biggest factor?

    Health...

    That's a given, but other than injuries...

  • I Icecube

    @tour2ma said:

    Biggest factor?

    Health...

    That's a given, but other than injuries...

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #24

    @icecube said:

    That's a given, but other than injuries...

    More than a given in our case. It's of paramount importance.

    Save maybe QB and Safety we don't have the depth to lose any starter without a serious talent fall off.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @icecube said:

    That's a given, but other than injuries...

    More than a given in our case. It's of paramount importance.

    Save maybe QB and Safety we don't have the depth to lose any starter without a serious talent fall off.

    I Icecube wrote on
    #25

    @tour2ma said:

    More than a given in our case. It's of paramount importance.

    Save maybe QB and Safety we don't have the depth to lose any starter without a serious talent fall off.

    Are many teams any different? 

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on
    #26

    Hold the other team to fewer points every game.

    I win the chicken dinner.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on
    #27

    If ya want a honest answer on what not* to do? Ask Nick Chubb 

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  • I Icecube

    @tour2ma said:

    More than a given in our case. It's of paramount importance.

    Save maybe QB and Safety we don't have the depth to lose any starter without a serious talent fall off.

    Are many teams any different? 

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #28

    @icecube said:

    Are many teams any different? 

    Have to define "many", but yes, more than a couple are very different.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    Hold the other team to fewer points every game.

    I win the chicken dinner.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #29

    @ballpeen said:

    Hold the other team to fewer points every game.

    I win the chicken dinner.

    BUZZZZ  too late.   Other got their hand on that poultry before you.    But we will leave a couple of wings for you. 

    ballpeenB 1 Reply
  • htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on
    #30

    Coaching.

    We all saw just how different the same talent performed with Hue compared to Greg.

    “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on
    #31

    People seem to forget that this team is LOADED.  Not only that, but

    1. they fixed their biggest weakness by replacing the head coach, upgrading from Kitchens to Stefanski.
    2. They also fixed their second-biggest weakness by buffing the OL with Conklin and Wills.  
    3. Buried in all this good news is that they added the BEST TE in the league in Austin Hooper.  And that is critical to beating the Steelers because a dynamic pass-catching TE slows their pass rush a lot.

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  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    People seem to forget that this team is LOADED.  Not only that, but

    1. they fixed their biggest weakness by replacing the head coach, upgrading from Kitchens to Stefanski.
    2. They also fixed their second-biggest weakness by buffing the OL with Conklin and Wills.  
    3. Buried in all this good news is that they added the BEST TE in the league in Austin Hooper.  And that is critical to beating the Steelers because a dynamic pass-catching TE slows their pass rush a lot.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #32

    @kvoethe said:

    People seem to forget that this team is LOADED.

    Substitute "Starting lineup" for "team" and my point is remade. 🙂

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #33

    This "loaded" team better score a ton of points because I still see a defense that is mediocre at best. 

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  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    This "loaded" team better score a ton of points because I still see a defense that is mediocre at best. 

    I Icecube wrote on
    #34

    @dutch-oven said:

    This "loaded" team better score a ton of points because I still see a defense that is mediocre at best. 

    Do you think Woods will make a difference?

  • I Icecube

    @dutch-oven said:

    This "loaded" team better score a ton of points because I still see a defense that is mediocre at best. 

    Do you think Woods will make a difference?

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #35

    @icecube said:

    Do you think Woods will make a difference?

    The Browns get a new DC every year... nothing really changes, with the exception of that one year with Dick Jauron. 

    We'll see. My worries about the defense are more about the general talent on that side of the ball. There's some talent for sure, but their are some big, gaping holes too. 

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  • nickersN nickers wrote on
    #36

    Coaching!

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @icecube said:

    Do you think Woods will make a difference?

    The Browns get a new DC every year... nothing really changes, with the exception of that one year with Dick Jauron. 

    We'll see. My worries about the defense are more about the general talent on that side of the ball. There's some talent for sure, but their are some big, gaping holes too. 

    I Icecube wrote on
    #37

    @dutch-oven said:

    The Browns get a new DC every year... nothing really changes, with the exception of that one year with Dick Jauron. 

    We'll see. My worries about the defense are more about the general talent on that side of the ball. There's some talent for sure, but their are some big, gaping holes too. 

    https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/CLE

    I got to admit, LBs not looking great. And Greedy needs to step up. 

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