Saints release Warford
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We gotta have at least one camp battle to look forward to on offense.
Team Forbes!!
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We gotta have at least one camp battle to look forward to on offense.
Team Forbes!!
We gotta have at least one camp battle to look forward to on offense.
Team Forbes!!
You got Forbes, Hubbard and Teller. Pro Bowlers no. All Capable probably. Great depth here
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We gotta have at least one camp battle to look forward to on offense.
Team Forbes!!
You got Forbes, Hubbard and Teller. Pro Bowlers no. All Capable probably. Great depth here
You got Forbes, Hubbard and Teller. Pro Bowlers no. All Capable probably. Great depth here
Well....we have bodies that we can put in there, sure. (Let's not forget Nick Harris). But "great"? I will retain my reservations.
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You got Forbes, Hubbard and Teller. Pro Bowlers no. All Capable probably. Great depth here
Well....we have bodies that we can put in there, sure. (Let's not forget Nick Harris). But "great"? I will retain my reservations.
Well....we have bodies that we can put in there, sure. (Let's not forget Nick Harris). But "great"? I will retain my reservations.
And you expect “Great”at all five spots?
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/08/saints-release-larry-warford/
Do we go after him? Probowler last 3 years.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/08/saints-release-larry-warford/
Do we go after him? Probowler last 3 years.
Is it a need at this point?
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Well....we have bodies that we can put in there, sure. (Let's not forget Nick Harris). But "great"? I will retain my reservations.
And you expect “Great”at all five spots?
And you expect “Great”at all five spots?
No, but, I would hope for "Good". I don't know if we have Good.
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/05/08/saints-release-larry-warford/
Do we go after him? Probowler last 3 years.
Is it a need at this point?
Is it a need at this point?
Maybe. Again....following the conversation all along here.....it all depends on how you feel about the quality of either Forbe/Teller/Harris/Hubbard....or whomever mans that position. Or, err, actually, it depends on how well they would perform , which, I reiterate, is still a question in my mind.
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And you expect “Great”at all five spots?
No, but, I would hope for "Good". I don't know if we have Good.
No, but, I would hope for "Good". I don't know if we have Good.
Teller started 8 games gave up 1 sack. He’s 25.
I’ll take it. especially if we’ve essentially opened the spot up for competition and we are making him to earn it again.
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Teller rated as the top RG in the league in multiple weeks last year. Out of all the possible weaknesses in the starting lineup, RG is probably the last one we actually need to worry about..
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I'm not sure when Wyatt Teller became a superstar. Last year's regime didn't seem to think so. Most talking heads had RG as a secondary need in this year's draft. I'm not saying that we have to invest in a pro bowl RG right now, after all we DID just draft a center who might contend for the RG spot...along with a bunch of other bodies, but I wouldn't be adverse to adding more competition to that position.
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I'm not sure when Wyatt Teller became a superstar. Last year's regime didn't seem to think so. Most talking heads had RG as a secondary need in this year's draft. I'm not saying that we have to invest in a pro bowl RG right now, after all we DID just draft a center who might contend for the RG spot...along with a bunch of other bodies, but I wouldn't be adverse to adding more competition to that position.
I'm not sure when Wyatt Teller became a superstar. Last year's regime didn't seem to think so. Most talking heads had RG as a secondary need in this year's draft. I'm not saying that we have to invest in a pro bowl RG right now, after all we DID just draft a center who might contend for the RG spot...along with a bunch of other bodies, but I wouldn't be adverse to adding more competition to that position.
Teller took over late and played well (as numbers suggest) as the season went on.
I see Harris mentioned now a few times but if we are listening to the talking heads Most of the scouting reports limit Harris to the Center position.
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I'm not sure when Wyatt Teller became a superstar. Last year's regime didn't seem to think so. Most talking heads had RG as a secondary need in this year's draft. I'm not saying that we have to invest in a pro bowl RG right now, after all we DID just draft a center who might contend for the RG spot...along with a bunch of other bodies, but I wouldn't be adverse to adding more competition to that position.
Teller took over late and played well (as numbers suggest) as the season went on.
I see Harris mentioned now a few times but if we are listening to the talking heads Most of the scouting reports limit Harris to the Center position.
Teller took over late and played well (as numbers suggest) as the season went on.
I seem to remember that he was in, then out, then in again. That position was very fluid last year. It seemed like they were experimenting pretty much all season long.
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I'm not sure when Wyatt Teller became a superstar. Last year's regime didn't seem to think so. Most talking heads had RG as a secondary need in this year's draft. I'm not saying that we have to invest in a pro bowl RG right now, after all we DID just draft a center who might contend for the RG spot...along with a bunch of other bodies, but I wouldn't be adverse to adding more competition to that position.
I'm not sure when Wyatt Teller became a superstar.
Red herring argument. Nobody thought that.. even in this thread.
I seem to remember that he was in, then out, then in again
He was a 56.7 last year.. better than Hubbard and Robinson. This isn't Madden - you can't upgrade everything immediately. Even Cam Erving got OL starts last season for KC..
The question is not "Warford Or Teller: Who's Better" -- the question is ALWAYS "Given Our Salary Cap And Contract Situation, Is Player X Worth Millions"
As I posted above - RG isn't a strength, but it has to be at the bottom of the list of our weaknesses.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I'm not sure when Wyatt Teller became a superstar.
Red herring argument. Nobody thought that.. even in this thread.
I seem to remember that he was in, then out, then in again
He was a 56.7 last year.. better than Hubbard and Robinson. This isn't Madden - you can't upgrade everything immediately. Even Cam Erving got OL starts last season for KC..
The question is not "Warford Or Teller: Who's Better" -- the question is ALWAYS "Given Our Salary Cap And Contract Situation, Is Player X Worth Millions"
As I posted above - RG isn't a strength, but it has to be at the bottom of the list of our weaknesses.
Red herring argument. Nobody thought that.. even in this thread.
He was a 56.7 last year.. better than Hubbard and Robinson. This isn't Madden - you can't upgrade everything immediately. Even Cam Erving got OL starts last season for KC..
The question is not "Warford Or Teller: Who's Better" -- the question is ALWAYS "Given Our Salary Cap And Contract Situation, Is Player X Worth Millions"
As I posted above - RG isn't a strength, but it has to be at the bottom of the list of our weaknesses.
Is it? Assuming Jed Wills is the real deal, I would still say that the RG spot is still the one position on the offense that is the most unsettled, fair to say?
Now, on defense? :
A. The defensive line SHOULD be a well settled deal. If Vernon is healthy, our starters should be solid, and the group of backup/rotation guys gives us some good depth...seemingly.
B. LInebacker.....I AGREE that the LB situation is as unsettled as the RG position. Wilson, Takitaki, Goodson, and the rookie Jacobs. It IS higher on our concern list than RG, simply because we have 2-3 positions that may be considered questionable.
C. DB.....Ward/Williams I would say are entrenched at CB, backed up by Mitchell. Karl Joseph, Delpit, Sendejo? Not as unsettled as perhaps LB....but, agree, not what I think we should consider to be a rock solid group. Maybe this group will prove itself.
So, 3 iffy spots IMO: RG, LB, S. Hopefully all these guys come through.
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Red herring argument. Nobody thought that.. even in this thread.
He was a 56.7 last year.. better than Hubbard and Robinson. This isn't Madden - you can't upgrade everything immediately. Even Cam Erving got OL starts last season for KC..
The question is not "Warford Or Teller: Who's Better" -- the question is ALWAYS "Given Our Salary Cap And Contract Situation, Is Player X Worth Millions"
As I posted above - RG isn't a strength, but it has to be at the bottom of the list of our weaknesses.
Is it? Assuming Jed Wills is the real deal, I would still say that the RG spot is still the one position on the offense that is the most unsettled, fair to say?
Now, on defense? :
A. The defensive line SHOULD be a well settled deal. If Vernon is healthy, our starters should be solid, and the group of backup/rotation guys gives us some good depth...seemingly.
B. LInebacker.....I AGREE that the LB situation is as unsettled as the RG position. Wilson, Takitaki, Goodson, and the rookie Jacobs. It IS higher on our concern list than RG, simply because we have 2-3 positions that may be considered questionable.
C. DB.....Ward/Williams I would say are entrenched at CB, backed up by Mitchell. Karl Joseph, Delpit, Sendejo? Not as unsettled as perhaps LB....but, agree, not what I think we should consider to be a rock solid group. Maybe this group will prove itself.
So, 3 iffy spots IMO: RG, LB, S. Hopefully all these guys come through.
So, 3 iffy spots IMO: RG, LB, S.
I'll second that.
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Red herring argument. Nobody thought that.. even in this thread.
He was a 56.7 last year.. better than Hubbard and Robinson. This isn't Madden - you can't upgrade everything immediately. Even Cam Erving got OL starts last season for KC..
The question is not "Warford Or Teller: Who's Better" -- the question is ALWAYS "Given Our Salary Cap And Contract Situation, Is Player X Worth Millions"
As I posted above - RG isn't a strength, but it has to be at the bottom of the list of our weaknesses.
Is it? Assuming Jed Wills is the real deal, I would still say that the RG spot is still the one position on the offense that is the most unsettled, fair to say?
Now, on defense? :
A. The defensive line SHOULD be a well settled deal. If Vernon is healthy, our starters should be solid, and the group of backup/rotation guys gives us some good depth...seemingly.
B. LInebacker.....I AGREE that the LB situation is as unsettled as the RG position. Wilson, Takitaki, Goodson, and the rookie Jacobs. It IS higher on our concern list than RG, simply because we have 2-3 positions that may be considered questionable.
C. DB.....Ward/Williams I would say are entrenched at CB, backed up by Mitchell. Karl Joseph, Delpit, Sendejo? Not as unsettled as perhaps LB....but, agree, not what I think we should consider to be a rock solid group. Maybe this group will prove itself.
So, 3 iffy spots IMO: RG, LB, S. Hopefully all these guys come through.
3 iffy spots IMO: RG, LB, S
Bodies, not categories. There's two or three LB, there's two S, there's one RG.
Each of the three LB and at least one of the S [could argue 2, but even if you grant Delpit starts from preseason game 2] have less experience and skill for their position than Teller.
Neither of last year's drafted LB are superstars -- in fact they're far more questionably able to be NFL starters than Teller.
LB1
LB2
S1
RG
LB3 [Mack]
S2 [Delpit] -
I'm not sure when Wyatt Teller became a superstar.
Red herring argument. Nobody thought that.. even in this thread.
I seem to remember that he was in, then out, then in again
He was a 56.7 last year.. better than Hubbard and Robinson. This isn't Madden - you can't upgrade everything immediately. Even Cam Erving got OL starts last season for KC..
The question is not "Warford Or Teller: Who's Better" -- the question is ALWAYS "Given Our Salary Cap And Contract Situation, Is Player X Worth Millions"
As I posted above - RG isn't a strength, but it has to be at the bottom of the list of our weaknesses.
RG isn't a strength, but it has to be at the bottom of the list of our weaknesses.
Wouldn't our strongest position have to be at the bottom of a weaknesses list?
Just realized how Gipperish that question sounded...
Nevermind...
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RG isn't a strength, but it has to be at the bottom of the list of our weaknesses.
Wouldn't our strongest position have to be at the bottom of a weaknesses list?
Just realized how Gipperish that question sounded...
Nevermind...
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Red herring argument. Nobody thought that.. even in this thread.
He was a 56.7 last year.. better than Hubbard and Robinson. This isn't Madden - you can't upgrade everything immediately. Even Cam Erving got OL starts last season for KC..
The question is not "Warford Or Teller: Who's Better" -- the question is ALWAYS "Given Our Salary Cap And Contract Situation, Is Player X Worth Millions"
As I posted above - RG isn't a strength, but it has to be at the bottom of the list of our weaknesses.
Is it? Assuming Jed Wills is the real deal, I would still say that the RG spot is still the one position on the offense that is the most unsettled, fair to say?
Now, on defense? :
A. The defensive line SHOULD be a well settled deal. If Vernon is healthy, our starters should be solid, and the group of backup/rotation guys gives us some good depth...seemingly.
B. LInebacker.....I AGREE that the LB situation is as unsettled as the RG position. Wilson, Takitaki, Goodson, and the rookie Jacobs. It IS higher on our concern list than RG, simply because we have 2-3 positions that may be considered questionable.
C. DB.....Ward/Williams I would say are entrenched at CB, backed up by Mitchell. Karl Joseph, Delpit, Sendejo? Not as unsettled as perhaps LB....but, agree, not what I think we should consider to be a rock solid group. Maybe this group will prove itself.
So, 3 iffy spots IMO: RG, LB, S. Hopefully all these guys come through.
Is it? Assuming Jed Wills is the real deal, I would still say that the RG spot is still the one position on the offense that is the most unsettled, fair to say?
Now, on defense? :
A. The defensive line SHOULD be a well settled deal. If Vernon is healthy, our starters should be solid, and the group of backup/rotation guys gives us some good depth...seemingly.
B. LInebacker.....I AGREE that the LB situation is as unsettled as the RG position. Wilson, Takitaki, Goodson, and the rookie Jacobs. It IS higher on our concern list than RG, simply because we have 2-3 positions that may be considered questionable.
C. DB.....Ward/Williams I would say are entrenched at CB, backed up by Mitchell. Karl Joseph, Delpit, Sendejo? Not as unsettled as perhaps LB....but, agree, not what I think we should consider to be a rock solid group. Maybe this group will prove itself.
So, 3 iffy spots IMO: RG, LB, S. Hopefully all these guys come through.
Who is this Jacobs LB the Browns got?
I would think you SHOULD know the names of Browns players who would be expected to start
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Red herring argument. Nobody thought that.. even in this thread.
He was a 56.7 last year.. better than Hubbard and Robinson. This isn't Madden - you can't upgrade everything immediately. Even Cam Erving got OL starts last season for KC..
The question is not "Warford Or Teller: Who's Better" -- the question is ALWAYS "Given Our Salary Cap And Contract Situation, Is Player X Worth Millions"
As I posted above - RG isn't a strength, but it has to be at the bottom of the list of our weaknesses.
Is it? Assuming Jed Wills is the real deal, I would still say that the RG spot is still the one position on the offense that is the most unsettled, fair to say?
Now, on defense? :
A. The defensive line SHOULD be a well settled deal. If Vernon is healthy, our starters should be solid, and the group of backup/rotation guys gives us some good depth...seemingly.
B. LInebacker.....I AGREE that the LB situation is as unsettled as the RG position. Wilson, Takitaki, Goodson, and the rookie Jacobs. It IS higher on our concern list than RG, simply because we have 2-3 positions that may be considered questionable.
C. DB.....Ward/Williams I would say are entrenched at CB, backed up by Mitchell. Karl Joseph, Delpit, Sendejo? Not as unsettled as perhaps LB....but, agree, not what I think we should consider to be a rock solid group. Maybe this group will prove itself.
So, 3 iffy spots IMO: RG, LB, S. Hopefully all these guys come through.
Is it? Assuming Jed Wills is the real deal, I would still say that the RG spot is still the one position on the offense that is the most unsettled, fair to say?
Now, on defense? :
A. The defensive line SHOULD be a well settled deal. If Vernon is healthy, our starters should be solid, and the group of backup/rotation guys gives us some good depth...seemingly.
B. LInebacker.....I AGREE that the LB situation is as unsettled as the RG position. Wilson, Takitaki, Goodson, and the rookie Jacobs. It IS higher on our concern list than RG, simply because we have 2-3 positions that may be considered questionable.
C. DB.....Ward/Williams I would say are entrenched at CB, backed up by Mitchell. Karl Joseph, Delpit, Sendejo? Not as unsettled as perhaps LB....but, agree, not what I think we should consider to be a rock solid group. Maybe this group will prove itself.
So, 3 iffy spots IMO: RG, LB, S. Hopefully all these guys come through.
The secondary has a lot to prove. First, they have to be healthy and avoid the soft tissue injuries. Secondly, Greedy has proven nothing at this point. He flashed here and there but he’s a capable depth guy at this point.
I am hopeful though our D coordinator did a lot last season with IMO less than what we have here.In regard to the Dline Vernon needs to be healthy. He hasn’t played a whole season since 2016. It’s Hard to count on him. Id feel better with a Vernon for Clowney swap out.
I think we need a veteran LB that can play 20-25 productive snaps a game too
I can’t think about RG Let’s roll with the Oline we have - let Callahan coach them up.
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