Flynn Charges Dropped

calfoxwc

Thanks for the cigar, Tiam !

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Dste Ace

Sorry, I was confusing the original phone conversations between Flynn and the Russian ambassador with the FBI wiretapping of Flynn.

The original conversations with Flynn and the ambassador were the basis of the FISA warrant. You certainly won't get any argument from me concerning nefarious shit from the FBI. But let's be honest here, the FBI didn't suddenly just become a corrupt organization because Obama was elected. The FBI has a long and sordid history that goes back decades. COINTELPRO, the Civil Rights movement, Latin America, Ruby Ridge, Whitey Bulger, the Associated Press impersonation case, etc., etc., etc.

But to say that because Obama knew that Flynn was wiretapped by the FBI means he ordered the investigation is a bit of a stretch. And there is no evidence to support that charge.

Flynn was fired because he lied to the FBI and Mike Pence. "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies."---Donald Trump

Flynn lied to the FBI. He pled guilty of lying to the FBI in federal court. So, now he says he didn't lie to the FBI? Isn't that technically perjury?

Dste Ace

And I go back to my original question "What if Obama had done it?" Would Republicans be quaking with outrage at those bastards in the Justice Dept. if Susan Rice had done what Flynn did? I'm pretty sure they would have been calling for her head on a stick.

DieHardBrownsFan

Flynn is a crook and should be in jail. Barr is just another kiss ass Trumptard who does the bidding of his fat orange fake god.

Dste Ace

Lest anyone think that I'm beating the drum for Obama or the downfall of Trump, I'm on record on this board as holding both political parties in contempt. For the last 35-40 years I have believed that this country is circling the drain, and the current occupant of the WH is doing his best to speed the process up. Sorry, but it's obvious that Trump is only about his own glorification. As Maximus said in Gladiator, "The time for honoring yourself will soon be at an end."

The more things change, the more they remain the same. Republicans hold the WH---sooner or later the Dems will be there and will apply their own brand of bullshit to the cause. I am simultaneously amused/disgusted by each party's outlook that "it's perfectly ok as long as we're doing it." The whole Flynn affair is a microcosm of that view.

Devin Nunes was outraged when he learned that the FBI had listened in on conversations between Flynn and Sergey Kislyak. "The big problem I see here is that you have an American citizen who had his phone calls recorded." This despite the fact that he knew, as the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, that the FBI routinely uses the NSA's eavesdropping techniques to monitor the Russian delegation. Still, after Flynn resigned, several traditional surveillance defenders rushed to the defense of his privacy rights as an American citizen. In an editorial, the Wall Street Journal dropped its usual use of the term "intelligence professional" to question whether "U.S. spooks" had a court order to listen in on Flynn's conversations. They ignored one of the biggest gaps in U.S. surveillance law---one which they both have defended---that allows the government to spy on Americans without any probable cause by targeting communications from overseas. After the reauthorization of this law in 2013, the WSJ praised Obama as an "unapologetic asserter of Presidential powers." In 2015 a Republican and Dem Representative coauthored an amendment that would require the FBI to get a search warrant in the exact same situation Flynn found himself in. Devin Nunes led the charge to shoot down the amendment. NSA hawks leap to the defense of privacy rights when it involves them or their political allies. Marco Rubio has often argued for expanding and permanently extending many of the NSA's surveillance programs. But in 2015 he reacted with outrage when he heard that the NSA was spying on the Israeli government and swept up some his own communications in the process.

Soon, we may see Biden in the WH, senile and constantly going on tv and babbling incoherent bullshit to his adoring minions. Which, when you think about, is exactly what we have had for the last 3 1/2 years.

And finally, a few words from The Master, who can certainly say it a hell of a lot better than I can:

Vambo

@diehardbrownsfan said:

Flynn is a crook and should be in jail. Barr is just another kiss ass Trumptard who does the bidding of his fat orange fake god.

TDS ALERT!