Saints release Warford
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God forbid we sign Warford.
lol, he's started all 101 games he played in for the Lions & Saints. ProBowler the last 3 years? Nah. Thanks. I had one of those once.
....if he doesn't fit the system, then he doesn't fit. But the system better be pretty good then...
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We will appeal to a higher authority.
According to Gip there is no such thing.
According to Gip there is no such thing.
Well, you are a higher authority than I when it comes to analyzing offensive linemen...I will grant that. But I would still not take your word over anyone whose profession it is to evaluate such things. You are just a rank amateur despite your pretenses.
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God forbid we sign Warford.
lol, he's started all 101 games he played in for the Lions & Saints. ProBowler the last 3 years? Nah. Thanks. I had one of those once.
....if he doesn't fit the system, then he doesn't fit. But the system better be pretty good then...
lol, he's started all 101 games he played in for the Lions & Saints. ProBowler the last 3 years? Nah. Thanks. I had one of those once.
....if he doesn't fit the system, then he doesn't fit. But the system better be pretty good then...
Talking strictly about the ensuing gloatfest that would happen
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God forbid we sign Warford.
lol, he's started all 101 games he played in for the Lions & Saints. ProBowler the last 3 years? Nah. Thanks. I had one of those once.
....if he doesn't fit the system, then he doesn't fit. But the system better be pretty good then...
lol, he's started all 101 games he played in for the Lions & Saints. ProBowler the last 3 years? Nah. Thanks. I had one of those once.
....if he doesn't fit the system, then he doesn't fit. But the system better be pretty good then...
Like I said above, admittedly I am no expert on the evaluation and scouting of offensive linemen. I don't even pretend to play one on TV. But to say that a multiple Pro Bowl player at a position "does not fit our system" sounds like me saying to someone: "Oh, I won the UK lottery...10 million pounds....or Euros or whatever....I could not possibly accept that money because, you know, it doesn't fit the monetary system I am used to". I would do the fucking conversion, thanks. Such a specious position.
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Sorry to burst your bubble my friend, but me not having an inkling to do it (and I actually never said anything about the quality of your trivia) does not equate in any way to anyone thinking one way or another who would do better. I could see someone weedeating a 100 acre property and think I knew a better way (whether true or not). Doesn't mean I have any interest in doing it for them.
Right....but it would not prevent you from being critical of them.
I can recall instances when yes you admitted it, and other instances when you in fact did not.
And I must admit that I thought of you recently in passing. It was around the time Don Shula passed. Since he was recognized on either ESPN or Fox or maybe both as winning Championships with two different teams, something you argued against and said that nobody recognized that. And here in this very message you are saying pre post Super Bowl.
He only won a Super Bowl with one team. He only won a final championship with one team. He won other conference championships, and lost Super Bowls with David Woodley and Marino.
And yes, that is what the board is for. But again the point is the manner in which you go about it. If you don't think that you come off as a jerk in a lot of cases then you are sadly mistaken, and maybe you should either just admit it or ask others on the board.
You only think I am a "jerk" because I disagree with you.
I don't believe that anyone you have had these "altercations" with on here have any problem with you having an opinion on something. Even if those are hard set opinions that won't change no matter what is said or what evidence is provided. It is the manner in which you respond.
That manner being....simply stating my opinion, and the cogency of the argument behind those opinions. Like here. I do not consider Shula to have won a Championship with the Colts, because he lost Super Bowl III to the Jets. Like I said, that is merely the equivalent of winning a conference title. It was not a championship.
From what I have learned is that you are a very nice man in real life, which means that some of your antics on here are a different persona, which is in fact one of the reasons that you have been compared to a certain former poster.
No, there is no comparison, at all. Ghoolie would purposefully take variant positions that he likely had no belief in just to stir shit up. I don't think I have ever taken a position that I don't believe in, unless it were in jest....but I don't recall ever doing that.
You obviously are an intelligent man by way of your chosen career, but when you come off as someone who knows everything about everything and arrogantly at that, it causes hostility and for people to call you out at any perceived error.
Sure, people have "called me out" at any perceived "error". (again, usually it is a matter of a difference of opinion). But, actually people have called me out for actual errors. I once made an error by stating that Brandon Weeden had started 15 games during his rookie season, and that it was the first game of the season that he missed. That was an error he did start the opening game of his rookie season, but missed another game. So, I made a factual error there, but he way one particular patron responded you would have thought he was an Evangelical Christian who had just been told God was Dead. I mean, you would have thought his entire belief in the universe had been questioned.
And then when that does happen, you then say it is because those people are so concerned and obsessed with you. In other cases that may be true (I can't speak for others), and I don't read every thread but this happens on a majority of threads I do happen to read. And again, when these things happen over and over with multiple different people it begins to show a trend. I am quite sure that none of that matters to you, which is fine, but in my opinion it is a bit hypocritical to not care what others feel but then voice displeasure when those same people attack/harass you.
I don't know....you seem to be doing quite a bit of obsessing right now yourself. And, I don't know...I don't think I say that I don't care what people say. I mean, if someone talks shit about you....that you believe merely reflects their own small mindedness.....human nature likely would lead you to say "I don't care what you say". If I didn't care what they said, then likely I would not give them the time of day to submit a response, fair to say? So having a response is a bit of way of showing "care". And again, is it not also human nature to voice displeasure when someone attacks you.......you.....you....whose mother was a hamster, whose father smelled of eldeberries....whose brother wears a pocket protector....whose sister married a chicken farmer....whose uncle eats onions like they were apples.....whose grandfather was a fishmonger....whose first cousin once removed went to prison for check forgery (oh, wait....that's my first cousin once removed).....
I am not going to respond to all of this because you obviously don't even want to "look at yourself in the mirror".
I will simply reply to a couple.
Thank you for making a point against yourself. Me saying anything about your trivia is EXACTLY what you would say there, technically being critical (even though I don't know that I was ever critical). Even if I were, that doesn't mean I ever said I could do better or wanting to do it.
The point with Mr. Shula isn't and never was that he won a SB with 2 teams. It was at the time of the original discussion that he won his league (which is true, and never will change). But since you brought it up, no it isn't like a conference champion, it would be like the NFL champion playing the XFL champion. But that wasn't even the point of me bringing it up in this discussion. The point of me bringing it up was the fact you stated that NOBODY (not meaning individuals) recognized that, when in fact both the NFL and ESPN certainly have. But hey, why should we listen to them when we can to Gipper.
And no, I don't think you are a jerk because I disagree with you, and its not just stating your opinion. Its the way you state that opinion. You have frequently been rude/nasty to others in stating that opinion. And there have been times I agreed with your opinion and still thought you went about it in a crappy way with others. If you don't see anything wrong then it is what it is.
And sorry pal, you missed a point again. I'll bet there are a vast majority of people who make errors on here and aren't called out. The difference is that they don't post with the arrogance that is perceived by others about you on here. You aren't being called out because of a difference in opinion. Having a different opinion and a discussion isn't calling out someone. And by the way, your were not compared to Ghoolie because of any variant positions. You were compared to him for having a different persona on here than in real life. That is unless what I have heard is incorrect and you are actually a rude, know it all jerk all the time. In which case then I will take back comparing you to him, as it was just meant in the sense of acting differently in real life and on the board
But if you don't see anything wrong/different (whatever word you want to use) with the way you communicate on here and how it can be perceived or different from others then nothing I or anyone else says will ever change your mind. Again all I am saying is that if you get into arguments (or are blocked, etc.) with multiple people then the only common thing in all of those is you. So by pure data and fact the evidence would point to the possibility of you being the issue. For instance, if I have been married and divorced 10 times, would it seem more likely that all 10 of them was the problem or maybe me?
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lol, he's started all 101 games he played in for the Lions & Saints. ProBowler the last 3 years? Nah. Thanks. I had one of those once.
....if he doesn't fit the system, then he doesn't fit. But the system better be pretty good then...
Like I said above, admittedly I am no expert on the evaluation and scouting of offensive linemen. I don't even pretend to play one on TV. But to say that a multiple Pro Bowl player at a position "does not fit our system" sounds like me saying to someone: "Oh, I won the UK lottery...10 million pounds....or Euros or whatever....I could not possibly accept that money because, you know, it doesn't fit the monetary system I am used to". I would do the fucking conversion, thanks. Such a specious position.
Like I said above, admittedly I am no expert on the evaluation and scouting of offensive linemen. I don't even pretend to play one on TV. But to say that a multiple Pro Bowl player at a position "does not fit our system" sounds like me saying to someone: "Oh, I won the UK lottery...10 million pounds....or Euros or whatever....I could not possibly accept that money because, you know, it doesn't fit the monetary system I am used to". I would do the fucking conversion, thanks. Such a specious position.
Not making an evaluation on any one player, but players certainly are better equipped in certain systems. For example, with his skill set, you think it would be a good idea for Brady to be the QB in a Triple Option? Or how about Tebow in a West Coast offense? Or you think maybe this year the Ravens will let Lamar throw it 60 times?
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I am not going to respond to all of this because you obviously don't even want to "look at yourself in the mirror".
I will simply reply to a couple.
Thank you for making a point against yourself. Me saying anything about your trivia is EXACTLY what you would say there, technically being critical (even though I don't know that I was ever critical). Even if I were, that doesn't mean I ever said I could do better or wanting to do it.
The point with Mr. Shula isn't and never was that he won a SB with 2 teams. It was at the time of the original discussion that he won his league (which is true, and never will change). But since you brought it up, no it isn't like a conference champion, it would be like the NFL champion playing the XFL champion. But that wasn't even the point of me bringing it up in this discussion. The point of me bringing it up was the fact you stated that NOBODY (not meaning individuals) recognized that, when in fact both the NFL and ESPN certainly have. But hey, why should we listen to them when we can to Gipper.
And no, I don't think you are a jerk because I disagree with you, and its not just stating your opinion. Its the way you state that opinion. You have frequently been rude/nasty to others in stating that opinion. And there have been times I agreed with your opinion and still thought you went about it in a crappy way with others. If you don't see anything wrong then it is what it is.
And sorry pal, you missed a point again. I'll bet there are a vast majority of people who make errors on here and aren't called out. The difference is that they don't post with the arrogance that is perceived by others about you on here. You aren't being called out because of a difference in opinion. Having a different opinion and a discussion isn't calling out someone. And by the way, your were not compared to Ghoolie because of any variant positions. You were compared to him for having a different persona on here than in real life. That is unless what I have heard is incorrect and you are actually a rude, know it all jerk all the time. In which case then I will take back comparing you to him, as it was just meant in the sense of acting differently in real life and on the board
But if you don't see anything wrong/different (whatever word you want to use) with the way you communicate on here and how it can be perceived or different from others then nothing I or anyone else says will ever change your mind. Again all I am saying is that if you get into arguments (or are blocked, etc.) with multiple people then the only common thing in all of those is you. So by pure data and fact the evidence would point to the possibility of you being the issue. For instance, if I have been married and divorced 10 times, would it seem more likely that all 10 of them was the problem or maybe me?
I am not going to respond to all of this because you obviously don't even want to "look at yourself in the mirror".
I will simply reply to a couple.
Thank you for making a point against yourself. Me saying anything about your trivia is EXACTLY what you would say there, technically being critical (even though I don't know that I was ever critical). Even if I were, that doesn't mean I ever said I could do better or wanting to do it.
The point with Mr. Shula isn't and never was that he won a SB with 2 teams. It was at the time of the original discussion that he won his league (which is true, and never will change). But since you brought it up, no it isn't like a conference champion, it would be like the NFL champion playing the XFL champion. But that wasn't even the point of me bringing it up in this discussion. The point of me bringing it up was the fact you stated that NOBODY (not meaning individuals) recognized that, when in fact both the NFL and ESPN certainly have. But hey, why should we listen to them when we can to Gipper.
And no, I don't think you are a jerk because I disagree with you, and its not just stating your opinion. Its the way you state that opinion. You have frequently been rude/nasty to others in stating that opinion. And there have been times I agreed with your opinion and still thought you went about it in a crappy way with others. If you don't see anything wrong then it is what it is.
And sorry pal, you missed a point again. I'll bet there are a vast majority of people who make errors on here and aren't called out. The difference is that they don't post with the arrogance that is perceived by others about you on here. You aren't being called out because of a difference in opinion. Having a different opinion and a discussion isn't calling out someone. And by the way, your were not compared to Ghoolie because of any variant positions. You were compared to him for having a different persona on here than in real life. That is unless what I have heard is incorrect and you are actually a rude, know it all jerk all the time. In which case then I will take back comparing you to him, as it was just meant in the sense of acting differently in real life and on the board
But if you don't see anything wrong/different (whatever word you want to use) with the way you communicate on here and how it can be perceived or different from others then nothing I or anyone else says will ever change your mind. Again all I am saying is that if you get into arguments (or are blocked, etc.) with multiple people then the only common thing in all of those is you. So by pure data and fact the evidence would point to the possibility of you being the issue. For instance, if I have been married and divorced 10 times, would it seem more likely that all 10 of them was the problem or maybe me?
Too much BS not going to bother
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All this being said.. If Deonte Brown is still on the board at our #1 during the 2021 draft, take him. It's never too early!
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A 1st round OG?
Might emerge as a need, but feels like we're entering a BPA period...
... at long last.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
A 1st round OG?
Might emerge as a need, but feels like we're entering a BPA period...
... at long last.
A 1st round OG?
No LB or edge or S next season would have been even in the second round this year.. Even WR outside of JaMarr Chase and Justyn Ross looks grim.
Sure, BPA, but Deonte will be one of the last remaining plus players inthe bottom half of the first.
There's always the worst possible option: Another first-round TE! Wydermyer from TAMU.
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I am not going to respond to all of this because you obviously don't even want to "look at yourself in the mirror".
I will simply reply to a couple.
Thank you for making a point against yourself. Me saying anything about your trivia is EXACTLY what you would say there, technically being critical (even though I don't know that I was ever critical). Even if I were, that doesn't mean I ever said I could do better or wanting to do it.
The point with Mr. Shula isn't and never was that he won a SB with 2 teams. It was at the time of the original discussion that he won his league (which is true, and never will change). But since you brought it up, no it isn't like a conference champion, it would be like the NFL champion playing the XFL champion. But that wasn't even the point of me bringing it up in this discussion. The point of me bringing it up was the fact you stated that NOBODY (not meaning individuals) recognized that, when in fact both the NFL and ESPN certainly have. But hey, why should we listen to them when we can to Gipper.
And no, I don't think you are a jerk because I disagree with you, and its not just stating your opinion. Its the way you state that opinion. You have frequently been rude/nasty to others in stating that opinion. And there have been times I agreed with your opinion and still thought you went about it in a crappy way with others. If you don't see anything wrong then it is what it is.
And sorry pal, you missed a point again. I'll bet there are a vast majority of people who make errors on here and aren't called out. The difference is that they don't post with the arrogance that is perceived by others about you on here. You aren't being called out because of a difference in opinion. Having a different opinion and a discussion isn't calling out someone. And by the way, your were not compared to Ghoolie because of any variant positions. You were compared to him for having a different persona on here than in real life. That is unless what I have heard is incorrect and you are actually a rude, know it all jerk all the time. In which case then I will take back comparing you to him, as it was just meant in the sense of acting differently in real life and on the board
But if you don't see anything wrong/different (whatever word you want to use) with the way you communicate on here and how it can be perceived or different from others then nothing I or anyone else says will ever change your mind. Again all I am saying is that if you get into arguments (or are blocked, etc.) with multiple people then the only common thing in all of those is you. So by pure data and fact the evidence would point to the possibility of you being the issue. For instance, if I have been married and divorced 10 times, would it seem more likely that all 10 of them was the problem or maybe me?
Too much BS not going to bother
Too much BS not going to bother
EXACTLY. You showing your true colors pal.
You reply all the time with people in long posts, and a lot of the time in a rude manner. But yet someone responds to you and its BS and not worth it.
So again, you sir come off as a big prick on here. Not just in my opinion, but to a vast majority of the posters.
And you want to act as if you are so superior in knowledge to everyone else, yet you get bent out of shape with others having a differing opinion.
But let's even take me out of the equation this time. Same deal as before, let's do a poll and see who people respect more between you and the numerous other people you spew your venom at frequently. And if you win they leave, and vice versa.
Or if you don't like that deal (since then where would you get to act like a narcissistic jerk), let's just see by going back through some old posts of yours and the guy you called names because he blocked you and see how many times that person said something wrong/error/etc. , and instead of admitting it dug their feet in just to "not be wrong." One example (of quite a few): NOBODY recognized Colts as a league champion. That has been PROVEN incorrect, and yet you still won't admit your error. There has ALWAYS been a difference in what you correctly were asserting (they didnt win the SB) and what was said is that they were recognized as their league champion. And even if you had said your opinion it wouldn't have been such a deal, but no with you being so set in you proclaimed that nobody thought differently than you. And you sure as heck won't read to see how my analogy of NFL/XFL is way more comparable than your conference example.
But again, we all know you won't respond to this because you have such a high opinion of yourself and any indication that you aren't this all knowing, genius about everything.
And your other part in this thread about system fit just shows that all you are is a little fan boy. But we can even put it in terms you DO know something about. What if we took a top of his field divorce lawyer (Pro Bowl G Warford, Saints system) and inserted him into a murder trial (Browns system).
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I think Gipper found his soul mate.
Gipper and Gunz, sittin’ in a tree. A-R-G-U-I-N-G.
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I think Gipper found his soul mate.
Gipper and Gunz, sittin’ in a tree. A-R-G-U-I-N-G.
I think Gipper found his soul mate.
Gipper and Gunz, sittin’ in a tree. A-R-G-U-I-N-G.
No, Gunz is all alone in that tree. I have not even read the last several of his posts. He says he is not obsessed, but then he apparently goes on and on and on obsessing.
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I think Gipper found his soul mate.
Gipper and Gunz, sittin’ in a tree. A-R-G-U-I-N-G.
I think Gipper found his soul mate.
miss Stiller already... RIP Jerry ?
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A 1st round OG?
No LB or edge or S next season would have been even in the second round this year.. Even WR outside of JaMarr Chase and Justyn Ross looks grim.
Sure, BPA, but Deonte will be one of the last remaining plus players inthe bottom half of the first.
There's always the worst possible option: Another first-round TE! Wydermyer from TAMU.
No LB or edge or S next season would have been even in the second round this year.. Even WR outside of JaMarr Chase and Justyn Ross looks grim.
Sure, BPA, but Deonte will be one of the last remaining plus players inthe bottom half of the first.
There's always the worst possible option: Another first-round TE! Wydermyer from TAMU.
Agree that the 2021 class is not looking very strong right now, but the underclass is yet to be heard from.
The 2020 class was improved considerably by its underclass declarations. Same is true of most classes.
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I think Gipper found his soul mate.
Gipper and Gunz, sittin’ in a tree. A-R-G-U-I-N-G.
I think Gipper found his soul mate.
Gipper and Gunz, sittin’ in a tree. A-R-G-U-I-N-G.
Maybe but gotta give Gunz points for trying an approach I've never seen tried before...
But we can even put it in terms you DO know something about. What if we took a top of his field divorce lawyer (Pro Bowl G Warford, Saints system) and inserted him into a murder trial (Browns system).
Well player, sir...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think Gipper found his soul mate.
Gipper and Gunz, sittin’ in a tree. A-R-G-U-I-N-G.
Maybe but gotta give Gunz points for trying an approach I've never seen tried before...
But we can even put it in terms you DO know something about. What if we took a top of his field divorce lawyer (Pro Bowl G Warford, Saints system) and inserted him into a murder trial (Browns system).
Well player, sir...
Maybe but gotta give Gunz points for trying an approach I've never seen tried before...
You mean talking to himself?
Well player, sir...
While I did not read Gunz post (would have fallen asleep).....on this point.....You might be surprised to know that, at least in the area I practice in (Akron...and some in Cleveland) , often times the top criminal lawyers also do a lot of divorce work. They are both litigative skills and those skills can adapt to both areas of law practice.
Now...if he had known much about the practice of law....he would have said "take a top Probate Lawyer and put him into a murder trial"...well, then, there you may have had something. But that would be more analogous to taking a cornerback and asking him to play Right Guard, and you would never try that.
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What?
Whaday say?
Speak up!
I love my life...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Maybe but gotta give Gunz points for trying an approach I've never seen tried before...
You mean talking to himself?
Well player, sir...
While I did not read Gunz post (would have fallen asleep).....on this point.....You might be surprised to know that, at least in the area I practice in (Akron...and some in Cleveland) , often times the top criminal lawyers also do a lot of divorce work. They are both litigative skills and those skills can adapt to both areas of law practice.
Now...if he had known much about the practice of law....he would have said "take a top Probate Lawyer and put him into a murder trial"...well, then, there you may have had something. But that would be more analogous to taking a cornerback and asking him to play Right Guard, and you would never try that.
I'll take your word for it on that. I certainly don't know about different types of lawyers. Yet I am sure the point wasn't lost on even you. The point wasn't to say that either type couldn't excel in a different subsection/system, it is that just inserting someone in a specified area doesn't always end in stellar results. As an example (and to take your general field out of the equation), take the top plastic surgeon in the country, how would you expect his skills to transfer into a neurosurgeon?
I guess we will have to disagree on the other point you were trying to make with CB and OG. I would actually say a better analogy would be a court stenographer and lawyer i.e. same field (law vs. Football)
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