Evaluate the QBs
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Zombo said:
I didn't watch the game, but I see where we scored zero points.So Pro Bowler Anderson obviously still has the advantage.
He has accomplished something, whereas Quinn, in year three, still has done nothing...
Zombo
--Not trying to be a dick .. but if Quinn doesn't take "the bull by the horns" ... let's go with the guy that we KNOW can win 10, hit 29 and throw for 3,7000...
Pro Bowler DA who couldn't move the #1s against GB's #2.........
Quinn had two nice drives in his 2 posessions. The first stalled out near the red zone because Cribbs read the coverage wrong on 3rd down. A FG was kicked and good, but Fraley held and then the 2nd attempt was missed. That was 1s against 1s
With a 1:50 to go Quinn marched the team right down the field into scoring position, BE dropped a TD and next down Quinn made a mistake by doing that little jump throw, which cost him power on the throw, resulting in the DB cutting under and picking. That was mostly 1s against 2s.
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Zombo said:
Awesome plan, Soupfag.That's quite a bounty on my head. You sound like a big, tough guy that doesn't mess around.
I'm sure I'm getting banned now that Soupfag is upset that I didn't watch the game and is pledging his weekend blowjob money to make sure I never post again...
I can hear The Grim Reaper coming down the hallway ... Skippy? is that you? ... Rif? ... NO! NO! NO!
Zombo
--I'm banned. Soupfag took me down. Don't mess with Soupfag.
That's some funny stuff says hammertime. Oops.
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Zombo said:
I've seen Derek Anderson throw for 5 TDs in an NFL game and I've seen absolutely nothing from Brady Quinn but a nice little loss to the worst defense in the NFL last year.I am seriously not trying to be a dick ... but when does Brady Quinn start impressing me as a pro? I'm ready.
Zombo
And you have seen him throw 3 and 4 picks a game.
How many pro games has Quinn played in healthy? 1. How did he look in that game?
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Anderson looked awful. Quinn looked much better. That is what you missed.
Who was it that said, "When you have two QBs, you have no QBs".
Being better than DA's putrid performance isn't going to do it for me.
From the raw numbers, the other QB played as well as, or better than, BQ.
Maybe, just maybe, Mangini will start the QB he knows best. Wouldn't that speak volumes???
Who was it that said, "When you have two QBs, you have no QBs".
Being better than DA's putrid performance isn't going to do it for me.
From the raw numbers, the other QB played as well as, or better than, BQ.
Maybe, just maybe, Mangini will start the QB he knows best. Wouldn't that speak volumes???
You guys who haven't even SEEN THE GAME that are commenting on this are really starting to sound pretty foolish.
Ratliff looked like a week-old bag of ass, warmed over. But yeah, he still looked better than one of our "co-starters."
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Zombo said:
Awesome plan, Soupfag.That's quite a bounty on my head. You sound like a big, tough guy that doesn't mess around.
I'm sure I'm getting banned now that Soupfag is upset that I didn't watch the game and is pledging his weekend blowjob money to make sure I never post again...
I can hear The Grim Reaper coming down the hallway ... Skippy? is that you? ... Rif? ... NO! NO! NO!
Zombo
--I'm banned. Soupfag took me down. Don't mess with Soupfag.
Bounty lol. You call that an attempt to talk shit lol. God these old people crack me up
Im just sick of posing fans posting on this board.
You have no idea what your talking about, all you care about is your post count.
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Other thoughts...
-You have to wonder how the offense would have faired if we didn't have this damn QB competition going on. Quinn moved the ball both times. Given more than two opportunities, we may have had some points on the board. If DA were the starter, maybe there would have been a chance for his rhythm to kick in (although, we know from 20+ starts his rhythm is present not often enough).
-The right side of the line looked terrible. St. Clair looked slow. I'm thinking Quinn's quick reads and medium range pass comfort zone may be crucial this year. Hanging in the pocket waiting for the deep out to develop may not be a go-to option.
-Quinn's feet were very quiet and calm while he progressed through his reads. Ratliff had rookie happy feet often.
-Our D isn't looking to good when Rogers isn't in there.
-I think we ought to give this new coaching staff a break on preseason game #1. A little patience.
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Zombo said:
Awesome plan, Soupfag.That's quite a bounty on my head. You sound like a big, tough guy that doesn't mess around.
I'm sure I'm getting banned now that Soupfag is upset that I didn't watch the game and is pledging his weekend blowjob money to make sure I never post again...
I can hear The Grim Reaper coming down the hallway ... Skippy? is that you? ... Rif? ... NO! NO! NO!
Zombo
--I'm banned. Soupfag took me down. Don't mess with Soupfag.
ROFLMAO
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Zombo said:
I've seen Derek Anderson throw for 5 TDs in an NFL game and I've seen absolutely nothing from Brady Quinn but a nice little loss to the worst defense in the NFL last year.I am seriously not trying to be a dick ... but when does Brady Quinn start impressing me as a pro? I'm ready.
Zombo
And you have seen him throw 3 and 4 picks a game.
How many pro games has Quinn played in healthy? 1. How did he look in that game?
Masters said:
And you have seen him throw 3 and 4 picks a game.How many pro games has Quinn played in healthy? 1. How did he look in that game?
That's just it: don't we think it's about time the guy with 27 starts to his name shows us an ounce of evidence he's progressed and learned from it all? 31 NFL Executives say he hasn't and so does a considerable amount of our fanbase.
I would have preferred to see us matching TDs with GB so Quinn wasn't where he needed to be either.
That said, when DA took snaps our offense looked like it was in quicksand. When Quinn played QB - we at least moved the changes and had some degree of time of possession to rest the defense.
Ratliff showed me some positive flashes and 1 of his INTs went rhough the receivers hands. Who knows if the other INT wasn't from one of the inexperienced receivers making the wrong turn or wrong route adjustment. It could have just been a poor throw, which happens this time of year.
I'd say the QB evaluations go like this:
Quinn = C-
Ratliff = D+
DA = F
Nobody made the honor roll but DA made the Dean's List - the SHIT list
The guy with 27 starts to his name needs to show me better footwork, poise, mechanics, pocket presence, reading skills, accuracy, vision and above all, flocking coherence.
Do you know how many organizations wouldn't even consider DA for a starting job? All 31 that told us so.
- Tom F. (I didn't talk about how unchallenged Green Bay's offense was last night. It was pretty disturbing though)
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I say, he needs to "manage the game", "get us into the playoffs" and win atleast 1 playoff game (don't implode). Those are my "pie in the sky" lofty hopes...L oL
But from what I saw of the team yesterday...
UGH!
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Zombo said:
Ok, I lied. I WAS trying to be a dick. Sounds like Anderson was dreadful and Quinn showed promise but then threw a bad pick. OK Round One to Quinn.Problem is, I've seen better catfights in the alley behind my house.
I just want somebody to step up and clearly earn the job with command of the offense, rather than the less of two evils.
There's really not much here to analyze here, which I think makes it totally appropriate that I didn't watch the game. There was nothing to see.
I hope it leads to a great week of practice and someone stepping up next weekend and showing us all he's going to take over this offense and win football games.
Personally, I hope it's Quinn. But if it's not, I don't know if I can take another week of pussies like Soupfag crying about it.
Boo hoo hoo ... he looked better ... if only Braylon caught that ball ...
Please, dear God, let a QB step up so that we fans can concentrate on the real reason why Pittsburgh and Baltimore own us: Defense.
Zombo
Way to keep up the post count with another useless post
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One other observation, and it was by Bernie coloring the game, he recognized DA throwing into Cover 2 (tight coverage) again...and this was before the INT. That shit drives me crazy!
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Zombo said:
I've seen Derek Anderson throw for 5 TDs in an NFL game and I've seen absolutely nothing from Brady Quinn but a nice little loss to the worst defense in the NFL last year.I am seriously not trying to be a dick ... but when does Brady Quinn start impressing me as a pro? I'm ready.
Zombo
Wow dude, you sure are hung up on that 29 TDs, 3700 yds stat from 2007. Did you also forget the 19 INTs against one of the easiest schedules? You mention the 5 TD game, but what about the multiple 4 INT games between 2006 and 2007? What about the fact that all his wins, except ONE, were against losing teams? You love DA's stats, but he was 0-3 as a starter in 2006, 10-5 in '07, and 3-6 in '08. Seems to me that he does not bring a winning record as a starter to the table. Seems to me the fluke year for him is '07, and you want to hang the team's future on that? Quinn only has 3 games to his name. Its time that we at least see what Quinn can do so that a decision can be made at the end of the year as to whether a QB needs to be drafted or not.
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Zombo said:
We know what Anderson can do, Quinn has done nothing ... what am I missing?Zombo
--Brady Quinn, we all love you, DO SOMETHING...
Yeah, we saw it yesterday. Throw two passes, both of which should have been intercepted, one of which was.
Great xxxxing quarterbacking display right there!
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Quinn. I watched the way he acted when he'd drop back. He reminds me of Tom Brady in the way he looks. Now I'm not saying he's another Tom Brady. He just looks like him with the way he seems calm and poised, for the most part.
Quinn LOOKS like a QB whereas DA looks like he's panicking a lot.
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Zombo said:
Ok, I lied. I WAS trying to be a dick. Sounds like Anderson was dreadful and Quinn showed promise but then threw a bad pick. OK Round One to Quinn.Problem is, I've seen better catfights in the alley behind my house.
I just want somebody to step up and clearly earn the job with command of the offense, rather than the less of two evils.
There's really not much here to analyze here, which I think makes it totally appropriate that I didn't watch the game. There was nothing to see.
I hope it leads to a great week of practice and someone stepping up next weekend and showing us all he's going to take over this offense and win football games.
Personally, I hope it's Quinn. But if it's not, I don't know if I can take another week of pussies like Soupfag crying about it.
Boo hoo hoo ... he looked better ... if only Braylon caught that ball ...
Please, dear God, let a QB step up so that we fans can concentrate on the real reason why Pittsburgh and Baltimore own us: Defense.
Zombo
This is where I can completely agree with you. But I really think this year needs to be Quinn under center. Its time to find out what he can do over a full season. We all know what DA can, and cannot do. If Quinn isn't the guy to be the face of the franchise, then that guy will need to be drafted/acquired in the offseason.
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Zombo said:
I've seen Derek Anderson throw for 5 TDs in an NFL game and I've seen absolutely nothing from Brady Quinn but a nice little loss to the worst defense in the NFL last year.I am seriously not trying to be a dick ... but when does Brady Quinn start impressing me as a pro? I'm ready.
Zombo
Since you didn't watch the game...Anderson was horrible last night..I'm watching the game right now. Seriously he was just as bad as his worst performance at any point. That half a season and a great 5 td game (against a shitty Bengals team) are so far in the past with him it's not even funny. Quinn might not be the long term answer but Anderson is not even a decent backup in this league. I hope the guy knows how to invest his giant contract because he's not much better than Charlie Frye.
The interception Quinn threw was a crappy pass...it a little behind Edwards (who didn't help much in trying ot fight for the ball) but the pass on the play before was perfect and Edwards dropped it, just like last season.
Watch the game next week or watch the replay at some point this week and then I'd love to see how you can justify starting Anderson over Quinn this season.
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Zombo said:
I've seen Derek Anderson throw for 5 TDs in an NFL game and I've seen absolutely nothing from Brady Quinn but a nice little loss to the worst defense in the NFL last year.I am seriously not trying to be a dick ... but when does Brady Quinn start impressing me as a pro? I'm ready.
Zombo
Since you didn't watch the game...Anderson was horrible last night..I'm watching the game right now. Seriously he was just as bad as his worst performance at any point. That half a season and a great 5 td game (against a shitty Bengals team) are so far in the past with him it's not even funny. Quinn might not be the long term answer but Anderson is not even a decent backup in this league. I hope the guy knows how to invest his giant contract because he's not much better than Charlie Frye.
The interception Quinn threw was a crappy pass...it a little behind Edwards (who didn't help much in trying ot fight for the ball) but the pass on the play before was perfect and Edwards dropped it, just like last season.
Watch the game next week or watch the replay at some point this week and then I'd love to see how you can justify starting Anderson over Quinn this season.
Since you didn't watch the game...Anderson was horrible last night..I'm watching the game right now. Seriously he was just as bad as his worst performance at any point. That half a season and a great 5 td game (against a shitty Bengals team) are so far in the past with him it's not even funny. Quinn might not be the long term answer but Anderson is not even a decent backup in this league. I hope the guy knows how to invest his giant contract because he's not much better than Charlie Frye.
The interception Quinn threw was a crappy pass...it a little behind Edwards (who didn't help much in trying ot fight for the ball) but the pass on the play before was perfect and Edwards dropped it, just like last season.
Watch the game next week or watch the replay at some point this week and then I'd love to see how you can justify starting Anderson over Quinn this season.
Good points Mark!
I gotta hand it to Zombo - the entertainment level went through the roof when he showed up. I forgot all about the QBs for a happy second or two.
Unfortunately, our offense looks like quick sand when DA is leading it. Hopefully, we will become the 32nd NFL team to see this very soon. I've got my fingers and toes crossed.
All I can think of for poor Loverboy are those lyrics by John Cougar: "When the walls come tumbling down" or we could go old school with Neil Diamond's "Love on the rocks"
- Tom F.
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@jadbf said:
Acutally I was hoping BOTH QBs came out and played well. I was hoping to read about a few long passes for strikes by DA and Quinn moving the offense.I agree niether played well enough for us to be encouraged.
As for Dabol AND Mangini. The one thing I will say is. Who ever they deem to win this competition at the end. I hope the actually then taylor the offense to suit that guy. Don't expect DA to go through a 7 step drop with multiple reads, and underneath crossing routes. Give him 3 step drops and seam and go routes. Let him be a gunslinger, I'd actually say that's part of DA's problem right now. It's mental. He's no longer a gunslinging QB with an accurate cannon. He's trying to fit into the mold that others want him to be. and I am just not sure he can do that.
On DA, that's exactly right. Look at Brett Favre when he was with the packers. He flourished in a west coast offense. He kept his gunslinging ways, and still won. I think Mangini should let DA be DA.
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To me its hands down that BQ should be named the starter today and let's get this thing rolling. Give BQ all the reps to start getting his timing down with the #1's.
Tivo the game last night and watched it and thought BQ was overly impressive. Led the team in 2 drives down in GB territory and yes he threw a pick but no QB is perfect and they all make mistakes. BQ will be here for a long time, the kid is a gamer. We all know what we have in DA and BR is a good #2 and that's it. It was the first game and they are still learning EM system so just hang in there and everything will turn out just fine.
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Zombo said:
Ok, I lied. I WAS trying to be a dick. Sounds like Anderson was dreadful and Quinn showed promise but then threw a bad pick. OK Round One to Quinn.Problem is, I've seen better catfights in the alley behind my house.
I just want somebody to step up and clearly earn the job with command of the offense, rather than the less of two evils.
There's really not much here to analyze here, which I think makes it totally appropriate that I didn't watch the game. There was nothing to see.
I hope it leads to a great week of practice and someone stepping up next weekend and showing us all he's going to take over this offense and win football games.
Personally, I hope it's Quinn. But if it's not, I don't know if I can take another week of pussies like Soupfag crying about it.
Boo hoo hoo ... he looked better ... if only Braylon caught that ball ...
Please, dear God, let a QB step up so that we fans can concentrate on the real reason why Pittsburgh and Baltimore own us: Defense.
Zombo
Way to keep up the post count with another useless post
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