The truth about the political board
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And some post shit on here as gospel while assuring everyone that if you don't buy it you are an un-American sombeach who hates our country. It gets tiresome
and reflects poorly on the BB as a football board. To defend that with the BIG Boy Pants BS is just that. There are fiscal conservatives just like me (and hoorta) who
have a strong belief that this president was a disaster well before COVID or the recent police killings. The constant TDS and UnAmerican BS is not an argument, it's a
personal attack meant to deflect from people listening to an opposing opinion and should be treated as such. People should not just have to stay away because they don't
like that aspect, because when that has happened then it has been a trump board and nothing more. I left for a short time until others with opinions different from that
came over and started posting again and got "the treatment" for doing so. That's what it is.
And some post shit on here as gospel while assuring everyone that if you don't buy it you are an un-American sombeach who hates our country. It gets tiresome
then don't read it. Besides MSNBC New York Times MSN Yahoo news Etc print shitt the people pretend is gospel. So what?
and reflects poorly on the BB as a football board. To defend that with the BIG Boy Pants BS is just that. There are fiscal conservatives just like me (and hoorta) who
let me finish that sentence. Who are voting for the least fiscally conservative people in the world because Trump is rude.
have a strong belief that this president was a disaster well before COVID or the recent police killings. The constant TDS and UnAmerican BS is not an argument, it's a
personal attack
at least half the posts you make are personal attacks. And spare me the fiscal conservative routine if you're voting for Hillary and Joe Biden.
meant to deflect from people listening to an opposing opinion and should be treated as such. People should not just have to stay away because they don't
like
yes they should. There's absolutely no need for you to be here if you aren't happy. Same with anybody on the right reading your personal attacks on a daily basis. But I understand. You want people punished whose personal attacks aren't the same as your personal attacks.
that aspect, because when that has happened then it has been a trump board and nothing more. I left for a short time until others with opinions different from that
what do you do any differently? Seriously?
came over and started posting again and got "the treatment" for doing so. That's what it is.
by the way at yiur age you might check and see if depends makes a version of the big boy pants.
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Left's playbook
1. Accuse Racism ( Racist, bot, Alt )
2. Deny your right to speak ( close forum )
3. Using the mob mentality ( I left for a short time until others with opinions different from that )
4. Play the victim ( those mean Trump supporters posts things hurt our feelings )
5. Appeal to authority fallacy ( CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, MSN, Yahoo )
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That’s fair. I’m definitely out of my element here. When was the first time l was an asswipe though?
Sorry. I didn't mean to respond to you, it was meant for someone else.?
Sorry. I didn't mean to respond to you, it was meant for someone else.?
Ah, no worries. Cysco was right, a little light trolling on my part. I’ll try not to make a habit of it.
I vote, l try to be informed, so l have an interest in the goings on in govt. I have my near and dear ideologies like anyone else, some in the liberal realm and some conservative, and l seek out nuggets of pertinent information to those ends.
That’s a small percentage of what goes on here though in my very very limited experience. The majority of it seems to be a battle royale of Dog shit vs. Cow shit, and the lengths that some of you will go to convince others that one is better than the other is at best a waste of time. But the level of commitment is evident. And that, to me, is wierd.
To relate it to football, it’s like someone trying to convince me that l’m not a Browns fan. My initial reaction would be “Ok, but do you need me for this?”
I thought the purpose of this post was a perceived notion that there was a push to remove the political board, and l am not in favor of that. I don’t put much faith in politicians, but those that do need an outlet, so why not here?
Perhaps an alternate solution, how about TWO political boards? The lefty and the righty boards. So instead of one big awkward and badly synchronized circle jerk, you could have two smooth operating circle jerks where the participants can stroke each other the way they like it?
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Left's playbook
1. Accuse Racism ( Racist, bot, Alt )
2. Deny your right to speak ( close forum )
3. Using the mob mentality ( I left for a short time until others with opinions different from that )
4. Play the victim ( those mean Trump supporters posts things hurt our feelings )
5. Appeal to authority fallacy ( CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, MSN, Yahoo )
Left's playbook
1. Accuse Racism ( Racist, bot, Alt )
2. Deny your right to speak ( close forum )
3. Using the mob mentality ( I left for a short time until others with opinions different from that )
4. Play the victim ( those mean Trump supporters posts things hurt our feelings )
5. Appeal to authority fallacy ( CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, MSN, Yahoo )
Glad that's what you think.... But in regard to #5- then don't go dragging up Fox or Red State as Gospel either... If you don't like leftist media. That was the main reason I posted the Robert Reich video- there's political propaganda coming from both sides of the spectrum.
Re: #4- Talk about hurt feelings. Your good old President sure loves to play the victim that those media folks are out to get him.
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A. of course there are legit different points of view. However, you never once criticized obaMao for eight years, and the years afterwards. That is NOT legit. Your criticisms are fine with Pres Trump - but you criticize based on hate, no particular reason. I asked you for ONE LEGIT example of your claims against him, and you didn't. won't.
B. therefore, it is the bias you won't let go of. I criticize Pres Trump's tweets too. He says some things that are very easily taken wrong? and cringe worthy. But I also admit what he is DOING FOR OUR COUNTRY, and you won't.
C. You bash him for his tweets, but you won't admit the
GREAT things he has done. That makes no sense at all. Perhaps you would rather have a smooth talking dishonest politician that lies to get into office, works against our 2nd Amendment, criticizes our Constitution, throws America and the American people under the bus around the world... can you hear me now?D. Fox does not have an agenda - you see hard core liberals all over. Different points of view all over. You will NOT see that on CNN. Pitiful defense attempt of your CNN.
E. What right wing conspiracy crap are you referring to? the deep state? it isn't crap. Big serious trouble?
it's happening now. 2 year old fake investigation based on a fake DNC/FBI dossier? Found nothin?
How about you stop with defending the entire "get Pres Trump" crap, because the evidence is right there. The emails are right there. the actions are right there. Former FBI agents say it is. Brennan, clapper, all the rest - can't wait for them to end up in prison for the garbage they did.
F. Look, you don't like being disagreed with. I got that with the Rosen fiasco. But I was right and you can't handle the truth.
G. Read A-G and Have a Nice Day and God Bless.
A ,B : I have damn good reasons to criticize Trump, (as do a few dozen other respected commentators- starting with George Will. That you lemming Cal had to bash- because he's not smooching up up to Trump's BS anymore.... and they (and my) opinions are NOT based on hate. Sorry Mr. Conspiracy theory. Then STFU with your Obama bashing... OK? I said Trump did around two great things for the USA- that Pence easily could have done- without being an asshole. Got it? probably not. PS- Trump has nothing BUT hate for people who disagree with him, but the MAGAs are too blind to see that....
C But OTOH rather have a politician (make that carnival barker, thanks Mr. Bloomberg) that treats Congressional subpoenas like toilet paper, and busts up a peaceful protest so he can do a phony photo op...
D FOX doesn't have an agenda? Damn- hell's bells maybe from your alternate reality POV, not mine... Reich is a tad too liberal for my tastes- but he called FOX out for their BS- but you lap up every word as Gospel....
Finally- you snowflake Trumptards can't stand being disagreed with, and will go to any lengths to concoct defenses for DT's many failures. I just may go all Ghoolie on you and start posting your daily Bernie\AOC crap to get a little balance around here.
PS- I had a chat with Steve about the previous Moderator. Would you like me to take over from the other side of the fence? You'd all be gone within a month.
So say it loud and say it proud... Trump is a scumbag, but I like his agenda..... And don't try the lame comeback- but Biden and the Democrats are worse... There- I already anticipated your BS....
A ,B : I have damn good reasons to criticize Trump, (as do a few dozen other respected commentators- starting with George Will. That you lemming Cal had to bash- because he's not smooching up up to Trump's BS anymore.... and they (and my) opinions are NOT based on hate. Sorry Mr. Conspiracy theory. Then STFU with your Obama bashing... OK? I said Trump did around two great things for the USA- that Pence easily could have done- without being an asshole. Got it? probably not. PS- Trump has nothing BUT hate for people who disagree with him, but the MAGAs are too blind to see that....
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Odd, you never give reasons, you just bash him for tweets, and ignore ALL THE GREAT THINGS PRES TRUMP HAS DONE FOR AMERICA. Logically, I would think an American that wasn't all self-centered - would vote for the best president to do GREAT THINGS FOR AMERICA. that is PRESTRUMP. You can't handle the truth, that's all. You libs knee jerk over emotions, instead of just admitting Pres Trump is annoying, but admitting HE HAS DONE GREAT THINGS FOR AMERICA. and you biden has done nothing. Fixed zero problems.
You do a lot of name calling for a mod that doesn't like name-calling.
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C But OTOH rather have a politician (make that carnival barker, thanks Mr. Bloomberg) that treats Congressional subpoenas like toilet paper, and busts up a peaceful protest so he can do a phony photo op...
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Congressional - you mean corrupt -try to destroy Pres Trump because HE won the election subpoenas? That is what I mean. You blabber about those subpoenas when all they were were political corrupt theater by your dems.
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D FOX doesn't have an agenda? Damn- hell's bells maybe from your alternate reality POV, not mine... Reich is a tad too liberal for my tastes- but he called FOX out for their BS- but you lap up every word as Gospel....
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No, you don't watch Fox. Fox has had Alan Colmes, Bob Beckel, many exteme liberals on the network. CNN has.....none. And lapping up every word, AHAHAHAHA, nice slur that means nothing because you can't handle the truth.
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Finally- you snowflake Trumptards can't stand being disagreed with, and will go to any lengths to concoct defenses for DT's many failures. I just may go all Ghoolie on you and start posting your daily Bernie\AOC crap to get a little balance around here.
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I haven't mentioned your Sanders or your heartthrob AOC for a long time now.
I'm happy to be disagreed with - but the constant slurring with no legit reason is annoying, I simply call out fake outrage and hateful slurs with ZERO evidence behind them...for what they are.
Knee jerkie. YOU are the one who can't stand to be disagreed with. You got pissed because your Josh Rosen sucked, after bitching about me saying as often as you rosen lovers dissed Josh Allen, that he Josh Allen was going to succeed. And your josh rosen is doomed, apparently, to be on his third team.
"Trumptards" ? "snowflake"?"lemming" ? from you, who "says" he doesn't like the name calling?
really now. lol. That is true TDS.
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PS- I had a chat with Steve about the previous Moderator. Would you like me to take over from the other side of the fence? You'd all be gone within a month.
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Yes, we would all be gone because you can NOT STAND for being disagreed with. And you demand we stop posting "right wing conspiracies" ??? really now? we'd already all be gone because we are conversative, and you mad that WE ELECTED PRES TRUMP? and are DANG PROUD OF IT?
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So say it loud and say it proud... Trump is a scumbag, but I like his agenda..... And don't try the lame comeback- but Biden and the Democrats are worse... There- I already anticipated your BS....
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You learned something, despite the hate. Good.
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hey, Hoorta ! check this out:
https://www.foxnews.com/media/deplorables-comedy-brandon-tatum
the video is outstanding! you have to join Fox. lol
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Left's playbook
1. Accuse Racism ( Racist, bot, Alt )
2. Deny your right to speak ( close forum )
3. Using the mob mentality ( I left for a short time until others with opinions different from that )
4. Play the victim ( those mean Trump supporters posts things hurt our feelings )
5. Appeal to authority fallacy ( CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, MSN, Yahoo )
Glad that's what you think.... But in regard to #5- then don't go dragging up Fox or Red State as Gospel either... If you don't like leftist media. That was the main reason I posted the Robert Reich video- there's political propaganda coming from both sides of the spectrum.
Re: #4- Talk about hurt feelings. Your good old President sure loves to play the victim that those media folks are out to get him.
Glad that's what you think.... But in regard to #5- then don't go dragging up Fox or Red State as Gospel either... If you don't like leftist media. That was the main reason I posted the Robert Reich video- there's political propaganda coming from both sides of the spectrum.
Re: #4- Talk about hurt feelings. Your good old President sure loves to play the victim that those media folks are out to get him.
Why does everything have to be about Trump? TDS This is about this board Trump has nothing to do with it grow up about him already.
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A ,B : I have damn good reasons to criticize Trump, (as do a few dozen other respected commentators- starting with George Will. That you lemming Cal had to bash- because he's not smooching up up to Trump's BS anymore.... and they (and my) opinions are NOT based on hate. Sorry Mr. Conspiracy theory. Then STFU with your Obama bashing... OK? I said Trump did around two great things for the USA- that Pence easily could have done- without being an asshole. Got it? probably not. PS- Trump has nothing BUT hate for people who disagree with him, but the MAGAs are too blind to see that....
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Odd, you never give reasons, you just bash him for tweets, and ignore ALL THE GREAT THINGS PRES TRUMP HAS DONE FOR AMERICA. Logically, I would think an American that wasn't all self-centered - would vote for the best president to do GREAT THINGS FOR AMERICA. that is PRESTRUMP. You can't handle the truth, that's all. You libs knee jerk over emotions, instead of just admitting Pres Trump is annoying, but admitting HE HAS DONE GREAT THINGS FOR AMERICA. and you biden has done nothing. Fixed zero problems.
You do a lot of name calling for a mod that doesn't like name-calling.
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C But OTOH rather have a politician (make that carnival barker, thanks Mr. Bloomberg) that treats Congressional subpoenas like toilet paper, and busts up a peaceful protest so he can do a phony photo op...
******************************************************
Congressional - you mean corrupt -try to destroy Pres Trump because HE won the election subpoenas? That is what I mean. You blabber about those subpoenas when all they were were political corrupt theater by your dems.
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D FOX doesn't have an agenda? Damn- hell's bells maybe from your alternate reality POV, not mine... Reich is a tad too liberal for my tastes- but he called FOX out for their BS- but you lap up every word as Gospel....
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No, you don't watch Fox. Fox has had Alan Colmes, Bob Beckel, many exteme liberals on the network. CNN has.....none. And lapping up every word, AHAHAHAHA, nice slur that means nothing because you can't handle the truth.
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Finally- you snowflake Trumptards can't stand being disagreed with, and will go to any lengths to concoct defenses for DT's many failures. I just may go all Ghoolie on you and start posting your daily Bernie\AOC crap to get a little balance around here.
**********************************************************
I haven't mentioned your Sanders or your heartthrob AOC for a long time now.
I'm happy to be disagreed with - but the constant slurring with no legit reason is annoying, I simply call out fake outrage and hateful slurs with ZERO evidence behind them...for what they are.
Knee jerkie. YOU are the one who can't stand to be disagreed with. You got pissed because your Josh Rosen sucked, after bitching about me saying as often as you rosen lovers dissed Josh Allen, that he Josh Allen was going to succeed. And your josh rosen is doomed, apparently, to be on his third team.
"Trumptards" ? "snowflake"?"lemming" ? from you, who "says" he doesn't like the name calling?
really now. lol. That is true TDS.
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PS- I had a chat with Steve about the previous Moderator. Would you like me to take over from the other side of the fence? You'd all be gone within a month.
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Yes, we would all be gone because you can NOT STAND for being disagreed with. And you demand we stop posting "right wing conspiracies" ??? really now? we'd already all be gone because we are conversative, and you mad that WE ELECTED PRES TRUMP? and are DANG PROUD OF IT?
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So say it loud and say it proud... Trump is a scumbag, but I like his agenda..... And don't try the lame comeback- but Biden and the Democrats are worse... There- I already anticipated your BS....
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You learned something, despite the hate. Good.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
A. of course there are legit different points of view. However, you never once criticized obaMao for eight years, and the years afterwards. That is NOT legit. Your criticisms are fine with Pres Trump - but you criticize based on hate, no particular reason. I asked you for ONE LEGIT example of your claims against him, and you didn't. won't.
B. therefore, it is the bias you won't let go of. I criticize Pres Trump's tweets too. He says some things that are very easily taken wrong? and cringe worthy. But I also admit what he is DOING FOR OUR COUNTRY, and you won't.
C. You bash him for his tweets, but you won't admit the
GREAT things he has done. That makes no sense at all. Perhaps you would rather have a smooth talking dishonest politician that lies to get into office, works against our 2nd Amendment, criticizes our Constitution, throws America and the American people under the bus around the world... can you hear me now?D. Fox does not have an agenda - you see hard core liberals all over. Different points of view all over. You will NOT see that on CNN. Pitiful defense attempt of your CNN.
E. What right wing conspiracy crap are you referring to? the deep state? it isn't crap. Big serious trouble?
it's happening now. 2 year old fake investigation based on a fake DNC/FBI dossier? Found nothin?
How about you stop with defending the entire "get Pres Trump" crap, because the evidence is right there. The emails are right there. the actions are right there. Former FBI agents say it is. Brennan, clapper, all the rest - can't wait for them to end up in prison for the garbage they did.
F. Look, you don't like being disagreed with. I got that with the Rosen fiasco. But I was right and you can't handle the truth.
G. Read A-G and Have a Nice Day and God Bless.
A ,B : I have damn good reasons to criticize Trump, (as do a few dozen other respected commentators- starting with George Will. That you lemming Cal had to bash- because he's not smooching up up to Trump's BS anymore.... and they (and my) opinions are NOT based on hate. Sorry Mr. Conspiracy theory. Then STFU with your Obama bashing... OK? I said Trump did around two great things for the USA- that Pence easily could have done- without being an asshole. Got it? probably not. PS- Trump has nothing BUT hate for people who disagree with him, but the MAGAs are too blind to see that....
C But OTOH rather have a politician (make that carnival barker, thanks Mr. Bloomberg) that treats Congressional subpoenas like toilet paper, and busts up a peaceful protest so he can do a phony photo op...
D FOX doesn't have an agenda? Damn- hell's bells maybe from your alternate reality POV, not mine... Reich is a tad too liberal for my tastes- but he called FOX out for their BS- but you lap up every word as Gospel....
Finally- you snowflake Trumptards can't stand being disagreed with, and will go to any lengths to concoct defenses for DT's many failures. I just may go all Ghoolie on you and start posting your daily Bernie\AOC crap to get a little balance around here.
PS- I had a chat with Steve about the previous Moderator. Would you like me to take over from the other side of the fence? You'd all be gone within a month.
So say it loud and say it proud... Trump is a scumbag, but I like his agenda..... And don't try the lame comeback- but Biden and the Democrats are worse... There- I already anticipated your BS....
A) I had a chat with Steve about the previous Moderator.
B.) Would you like me to take over from the other side of the fence?
My 2 cents.. and keep the change, ya filthy animals ?..
A) Steve's got my vote for handling this site about as well as anyone possibly could..?....hell, it's politics ..and about right now, they might only agree on washing your hands...
I just don't have the time to spend here, like some do... but i do enjoy reading the rights/lefts & independents, political views & opinions..heck! what sport can we really comment on about now anyhow? Square Dancing?
B.) a heck no! let Farmer Cal & the others keep dancing.. I have not seen a political bunt or blooper drop in yet...
? yee-haw! ya all''... and Happy Friday!
Play Nice! (or use PM's!!) A>B>T>M>S... anybody but the Mod Squad)
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Why bother DHB- they're a broken record.... If I didn't have to Moderate the other Forum, I'd put a bunch of them on ignore....
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yep. would censor every conservative. Facts don't matter. josh rosen was the superstar "perfect pocket passer".
like "Biden is better than Pres Trump because.... I hate Fox news"
TDSer: "Trump's tweets are a scandal, he'll lose the election, he's terrible."
Conservative: What about Benghazi? IRS? FBI/Intel spying on political opponents for fake reasons? What about Uranium One? What about the "Fast and Furious" to frame American gun companies and gun owners for mexican drug cartel violence? etc.
TDSer: YOU SHOULD STOP POSTING GO WATCH FOX NEWS, YOU FREAKING TRUMPTARD< !!!!!!!!!!!
emotional knee jerkie, that's my name for it.
Officially known as....
Trump Derangement Syndrome.
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FYI, Mr T, the tragic hero in Cal's fantasy story, did actually ban me once or twice, for saying things he didn't like.
Cal will now play some combination of me deserving it and the victim card, but any sane person could tell you what actually happened.
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Why bother DHB- they're a broken record.... If I didn't have to Moderate the other Forum, I'd put a bunch of them on ignore....
Why bother DHB- they're a broken record.... If I didn't have to Moderate the other Forum, I'd put a bunch of them on ignore....
Well hoorta if it helps you out and it's what you truly want I will not reply to you any more so that will be one less you have to hear from. Let me know please.
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Left's playbook
1. Accuse Racism ( Racist, bot, Alt )
2. Deny your right to speak ( close forum )
3. Using the mob mentality ( I left for a short time until others with opinions different from that )
4. Play the victim ( those mean Trump supporters posts things hurt our feelings )
5. Appeal to authority fallacy ( CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, MSN, Yahoo )
Glad that's what you think.... But in regard to #5- then don't go dragging up Fox or Red State as Gospel either... If you don't like leftist media. That was the main reason I posted the Robert Reich video- there's political propaganda coming from both sides of the spectrum.
Re: #4- Talk about hurt feelings. Your good old President sure loves to play the victim that those media folks are out to get him.
Glad that's what you think.... But in regard to #5- then don't go dragging up Fox or Red State as Gospel either... If you don't like leftist media. That was the main reason I posted the Robert Reich video- there's political propaganda coming from both sides of the spectrum.
Re: #4- Talk about hurt feelings. Your good old President sure loves to play the victim that those media folks are out to get him.
News stories from FOX are posted here very often. I'm sure by now you would have come across at one that was false or misleading, and you most likely never will because it's rare.
That's not to say FOX is perfect, just as it is to say that the Republican party isn't perfect, but they come across as pure as the driven snow compared to the corrupt political scum that is todays demonrat party and it's arm the liberal mainstream media. Thank God for FOX.
You are either an imbecile or got your head up your ass if you don't believe the media is out to get Trump. For you it's probably both.
Journalist rarely donate to the Republican party...this past election 97% of all campaign donations by journalists went to Hillary, 3% to Trump. What the fuck does that tell you? Gee, could it be perhaps most of them voted for Hillary too? Naaaah.
Shall I leave it at that or must I take you by the hand and show you the evidence?
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Why bother DHB- they're a broken record.... If I didn't have to Moderate the other Forum, I'd put a bunch of them on ignore....
Well hoorta if it helps you out and it's what you truly want I will not reply to you any more so that will be one less you have to hear from. Let me know please.
Well hoorta if it helps you out and it's what you truly want I will not reply to you any more so that will be one less you have to hear from. Let me know please.
Well, if I put you, Cal, and Gorka on ignore this forum would get reduced by at least 50%
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Well, if I put you, Cal, and Gorka on ignore this forum would get reduced by at least 50%
Seriously,, get over yourself
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FYI, Mr T, the tragic hero in Cal's fantasy story, did actually ban me once or twice, for saying things he didn't like.
Cal will now play some combination of me deserving it and the victim card, but any sane person could tell you what actually happened.
FYI, Mr T, the tragic hero in Cal's fantasy story, did actually ban me once or twice, for saying things he didn't like.
Cal will now play some combination of me deserving it and the victim card, but any sane person could tell you what actually happened.
no, I clearly said that T was given a lot of crap to get him to screw up. I know, because a few BRAGGED about it (lol, they posted) that they were successful.
I know, I talked to him on the phone a few times, we pm'd before that. I told him to just be fair and blow it off, but he couldn't - he lost his cool and did crap that got him banned. He knew that, didn't really care.
For all the bitching, woodpecker needs to start reading and learning. and Stop the lies. Never once said anything like "hero". T screwed up, and a few bragged about causing it. That's all.
Here is my exact quote:
" The moderator, a very good guy, was fair. But the left started hating him, because he didn't take sides. They gave him so much crap, that he got annoyed, and started deleting their crap. I told him, after a while, that they were trying to get him to respond in a bad way so they could get him gone and replaced.
But he got upset with all the hate attacks, didn't listen, and got gone. And a few of them admitted it, and laughed."
We first ended up talking about big gardens and gardening, and he started deleting posts, and posters really were giving him crap. So, they started harrassing him to respond in bad ways, and he got mad and did bad things. He was a good guy at that point - about gardening. Just lost his temper, was baited intentionally, and then did bad stuff and got banned. I saw it start and warned him, but he did bad stuff anyways.
all woody does is sit back and smart off, and get people to respond, then whines and cries that he is a victim of mean responses. But that is ok with the lefties because it's **their bird**
I know this, because I was talking to him on the phone before and afterwards for a short while.
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