Browns players taking a knee
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translate it as being...." I hate your country....the one your ancestors died defending.....the one that rolls out the red carpet for immigrants, so they can achieve goals beyond their dreams." I've known many black people throughout my life. Some I consider my brothers, and would do anything for. Others....not so much. Exactly like the relationships I've had with white people...some good...some bad. But...the numerous occurrences of unarmed black men being killed by these stupid ass cops, who think they are Dirty Harry, makes me want to puke. If the local government officials are too dumb to hire responsible people as public servants, to PROTECT our citizens, then changes are needed. We all talk about the racial tension with the riots in the '60's. It was bad, but not like today. Things have not improved over the years. They're much worse now than ever.
How is it that in the same paragraph so badly interpret the gesture...and then turn around actually seem to comprehend it and defend the right of people to do it?
I come back again to when I have to kneel in church....you are showing reverence and respect...and at the same time, in some instances, you are confessing you own faults and your own inadequacies, and asking that you become a better, more enlightened purpose....which seems to me what is happening here.
Does it really take one being raised a Catholic to understand that this is what the act of kneeling has been about? (I don't know...I don't recall ever being asked to kneel at my wife's Lutheran church the times I went there...including being married there. We may have been asked to stand, but not to kneel.
I explained it this way....that is MY interpretation. Just because it is not yours, doesn't make it a bad interpretation. I thought you were a lawyer...not a psychologist. While I acknowledge that I could possibly have faults, if I did I would never admit or apologize for them. Keep in mind....this is opinion, so not necessarily how you might see things.
I explained it this way....that is MY interpretation. Just because it is not yours, doesn't make it a bad interpretation. I thought you were a lawyer...not a psychologist.
Trust me, a large portion of what lawyers do is psychology.
While I acknowledge that I could possibly have faults, if I did I would never admit or apologize for them. Keep in mind....this is opinion, so not necessarily how you might see things.
I am not asking you to apologize for your faults (not to me anyway...see my above comment about who you may be addressing while kneeling). But, as a lawyer/judge...it is part of my job to identify contradictions in person's comments/statements. So...it is not a matter of how I see things...it is that you express wide differences and contradictions in how say YOU see things yourself.
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I explained it this way....that is MY interpretation. Just because it is not yours, doesn't make it a bad interpretation. I thought you were a lawyer...not a psychologist.
Trust me, a large portion of what lawyers do is psychology.
While I acknowledge that I could possibly have faults, if I did I would never admit or apologize for them. Keep in mind....this is opinion, so not necessarily how you might see things.
I am not asking you to apologize for your faults (not to me anyway...see my above comment about who you may be addressing while kneeling). But, as a lawyer/judge...it is part of my job to identify contradictions in person's comments/statements. So...it is not a matter of how I see things...it is that you express wide differences and contradictions in how say YOU see things yourself.
So...it is not a matter of how I see things...it is that you express wide differences and contradictions in how say YOU see things yourself.
What is so hard to understand??
A person can be both against and for abortion (I am)
A person can be both for tight boarder security and for legal immigration (I am)
A person can be both for the police and against the bad cops (I am)
A person can be against racism while not supporting the BLM organization (I am)
A person can be both for the right to bear arms yet wants tougher gun ownership regulations (I am)
A person can believe in a higher power (God) yet believe we are not alone in the universe (I do)
A person can be a Browns fan and still pick them to go 6-10 and win the preseason prognostication pole most years (I do)
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So...it is not a matter of how I see things...it is that you express wide differences and contradictions in how say YOU see things yourself.
What is so hard to understand??
A person can be both against and for abortion (I am)
A person can be both for tight boarder security and for legal immigration (I am)
A person can be both for the police and against the bad cops (I am)
A person can be against racism while not supporting the BLM organization (I am)
A person can be both for the right to bear arms yet wants tougher gun ownership regulations (I am)
A person can believe in a higher power (God) yet believe we are not alone in the universe (I do)
A person can be a Browns fan and still pick them to go 6-10 and win the preseason prognostication pole most years (I do)
^ This message was sponsored by neither a republican or a democrat and shows what a registered Independent thinker actually looks like.
What is so hard to understand??
A person can be both against and for abortion (I am)
A person can be both for tight boarder security and for legal immigration (I am)
A person can be both for the police and against the bad cops (I am)
A person can be against racism while not supporting the BLM organization (I am)
A person can be both for the right to bear arms yet wants tougher gun ownership regulations (I am)
A person can both believe in a higher power (God) yet believe we are not alone in the universe (I do)
A person can be a Browns fan and still pick them to go 6-10 and win the preseason prognostication pole most years (I do)
^ This message was sponsored by neither a republican or a democrat and shows what a registered Independent thinker actually looks like.
It was not YOUR comments that seemed to be contradictory, it was Lodi's. I am pretty much with you on most of what you say above...and do not believe them to be contradictory.
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What is so hard to understand??
A person can be both against and for abortion (I am)
A person can be both for tight boarder security and for legal immigration (I am)
A person can be both for the police and against the bad cops (I am)
A person can be against racism while not supporting the BLM organization (I am)
A person can be both for the right to bear arms yet wants tougher gun ownership regulations (I am)
A person can both believe in a higher power (God) yet believe we are not alone in the universe (I do)
A person can be a Browns fan and still pick them to go 6-10 and win the preseason prognostication pole most years (I do)
^ This message was sponsored by neither a republican or a democrat and shows what a registered Independent thinker actually looks like.
It was not YOUR comments that seemed to be contradictory, it was Lodi's. I am pretty much with you on most of what you say above...and do not believe them to be contradictory.
It was not YOUR comments that seemed to be contradictory, it was Lodi's. I am pretty much with you on most of what you say above...and do not believe them to be contradictory.
Now I know I'm in the Matrix....... you and I just agreed!
Now where's that red pill?
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It was not YOUR comments that seemed to be contradictory, it was Lodi's. I am pretty much with you on most of what you say above...and do not believe them to be contradictory.
Now I know I'm in the Matrix....... you and I just agreed!
Now where's that red pill?
Now I know I'm in the Matrix....... you and I just agreed!
Now where's that red pill?
Well, I said "most. So don't get too excited.
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Well, I said "most. So don't get too excited.
Ahhh. That's better.
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I explained it this way....that is MY interpretation. Just because it is not yours, doesn't make it a bad interpretation. I thought you were a lawyer...not a psychologist.
Trust me, a large portion of what lawyers do is psychology.
While I acknowledge that I could possibly have faults, if I did I would never admit or apologize for them. Keep in mind....this is opinion, so not necessarily how you might see things.
I am not asking you to apologize for your faults (not to me anyway...see my above comment about who you may be addressing while kneeling). But, as a lawyer/judge...it is part of my job to identify contradictions in person's comments/statements. So...it is not a matter of how I see things...it is that you express wide differences and contradictions in how say YOU see things yourself.
I explained it this way....that is MY interpretation. Just because it is not yours, doesn't make it a bad interpretation. I thought you were a lawyer...not a psychologist.
Trust me, a large portion of what lawyers do is psychology.
While I acknowledge that I could possibly have faults, if I did I would never admit or apologize for them. Keep in mind....this is opinion, so not necessarily how you might see things.
But, as a lawyer/judge...it is part of my job to identify contradictions in person's comments/statements. So...it is not a matter of how I see things...it is that you express wide differences and contradictions in how say YOU see things yourself.
I kinda think contradictions are a big force right now. Internal conflicts to sort out. I know l got them.
The whole statue removal thing. Admittedly it rubs me the wrong way. History and art are 2 things l’m driven to protect.
I don’t really see the Confederacy as a big all encompassing thing where everyone was on board with the cause. I see an awful lot of young men roped into a horrid situation because a few puppet masters pulled out their “fuck you” cards at the table.
That’s my own internal conflict, and l am in no way on board with what they fought for. But l do care that our history, even the sordid parts, are evident and in your face.
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Sure.... But there's a "correct" translation.
If someone says gato in Spanish, and they tell you it means cat, you can't then just translate it as dog. I mean you could, but you'd be objectively wrong.
There's no need for translation or interpretation. Kap literally said what he was doing. Interpreting it any other way is just objectively "translating" it incorrectly.
You could be offended by it I guess, but you can't say what he meant to say when he literally told us what he was saying.
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Sure.... But there's a "correct" translation.
If someone says gato in Spanish, and they tell you it means cat, you can't then just translate it as dog. I mean you could, but you'd be objectively wrong.
There's no need for translation or interpretation. Kap literally said what he was doing. Interpreting it any other way is just objectively "translating" it incorrectly.
You could be offended by it I guess, but you can't say what he meant to say when he literally told us what he was saying.
Sure.... But there's a "correct" translation.
If someone says gato in Spanish, and they tell you it means cat, you can't then just translate it as dog. I mean you could, but you'd be objectively wrong.
There's no need for translation or interpretation. Kap literally said what he was doing. Interpreting it any other way is just objectively "translating" it incorrectly.
You could be offended by it I guess, but you can't say what he meant to say when he literally told us what he was saying.
Totally agree, however that knife cuts both ways.
Drew Brees was ambushed, er asked about his opinion regarding kneeling during the flag. He very articulately went on to describe what the flag means to him and why, and that he doesn't agree with anyone kneeling and not standing during the anthem.
He never once said he was in any way against the anti-racism movement. He never once said that he didn't know exactly why they were kneeling..... yet he was incorrectly objectively "translated" by the woke Titteridiot mob forcing him to cower down and apologize for something he has no right to be sorry for.
I hear why they are going to kneel. Moreover, I know why as I'm not completely obtuse (< heck I just used a big word) yet I don't have to agree with it, much less like it, to still be sympathetic to their cause..... no matter what the woke mob screams at this hard working, rule following, positive part of humanity, yet somehow just a privileged dude.
I can be both against the war, yet support the soldiers.... although in this case, it seems to be a Bizarro World version of that.
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Sure.... But there's a "correct" translation.
If someone says gato in Spanish, and they tell you it means cat, you can't then just translate it as dog. I mean you could, but you'd be objectively wrong.
There's no need for translation or interpretation. Kap literally said what he was doing. Interpreting it any other way is just objectively "translating" it incorrectly.
You could be offended by it I guess, but you can't say what he meant to say when he literally told us what he was saying.
Totally agree, however that knife cuts both ways.
Drew Brees was ambushed, er asked about his opinion regarding kneeling during the flag. He very articulately went on to describe what the flag means to him and why, and that he doesn't agree with anyone kneeling and not standing during the anthem.
He never once said he was in any way against the anti-racism movement. He never once said that he didn't know exactly why they were kneeling..... yet he was incorrectly objectively "translated" by the woke Titteridiot mob forcing him to cower down and apologize for something he has no right to be sorry for.
I hear why they are going to kneel. Moreover, I know why as I'm not completely obtuse (< heck I just used a big word) yet I don't have to agree with it, much less like it, to still be sympathetic to their cause..... no matter what the woke mob screams at this hard working, rule following, positive part of humanity, yet somehow just a privileged dude.
I can be both against the war, yet support the soldiers.... although in this case, it seems to be a Bizarro World version of that.
Totally agree, however that knife cuts both ways.
Drew Brees was ambushed, er asked about his opinion regarding kneeling during the flag. He very articulately went on to describe what the flag means to him and why, and that he doesn't agree with anyone kneeling and not standing during the anthem.
He never once said he was in any way against the anti-racism movement. He never once said that he didn't know exactly why they were kneeling..... yet he was incorrectly objectively "translated" by the woke Titteridiot mob forcing him to cower down and apologize for something he has no right to be sorry for.
I hear why they are going to kneel. Moreover, I know why as I'm not completely obtuse (< heck I just used a big word) yet I don't have to agree with it, much less like it, to still be sympathetic to their cause..... no matter what the woke mob screams at this hard working, rule following, positive part of humanity, yet somehow just a privileged dude.
I can be both against the war, yet support the soldiers.... although in this case, it seems to be a Bizarro World version of that.
I understand. Some on here can't operate in a gray area but I get it.
I will say though it may not have necessarily been a "woke Twitter mob" that changed Brees mind but instead the actual teammates he works alongside every day. His brothers that share his blood, swear and tears. All that jazz. It probably had a much bigger impact on him than randos in Twitter.
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I explained it this way....that is MY interpretation. Just because it is not yours, doesn't make it a bad interpretation. I thought you were a lawyer...not a psychologist.
Trust me, a large portion of what lawyers do is psychology.
While I acknowledge that I could possibly have faults, if I did I would never admit or apologize for them. Keep in mind....this is opinion, so not necessarily how you might see things.
But, as a lawyer/judge...it is part of my job to identify contradictions in person's comments/statements. So...it is not a matter of how I see things...it is that you express wide differences and contradictions in how say YOU see things yourself.
I kinda think contradictions are a big force right now. Internal conflicts to sort out. I know l got them.
The whole statue removal thing. Admittedly it rubs me the wrong way. History and art are 2 things l’m driven to protect.
I don’t really see the Confederacy as a big all encompassing thing where everyone was on board with the cause. I see an awful lot of young men roped into a horrid situation because a few puppet masters pulled out their “fuck you” cards at the table.
That’s my own internal conflict, and l am in no way on board with what they fought for. But l do care that our history, even the sordid parts, are evident and in your face.
History and art are 2 things l’m driven to protect.
I don’t really see the Confederacy as a big all encompassing thing
You are wildly objectively wrong with this. Those "pieces of art" were created explicitly to remind black people that they are controlled by white people - yes, to justify those towns installing Jim Crow laws. The text of the Cornerstone Speech [first link] shows that Southerners convinced themselves that slavery was good for black people [Just like.. Fox News watchers!] and that whites are naturally better than blacks. There's nothing you're protecting other than racist losers, dude. The Lost Cause is fake news. Poor people getting caught up in things..... is both life and not a justification.
Sure, "put them in museums" is one argument --- except that those statues were deliberately inexpensive. From the second link: It's like they went to the Wal-Mart for statues rather than actually commissioning something marble or granite. What's the difference between keeping for posterity all 143 of your grandmother's cheap and ugly mismatched chotchkys - or just putting her two Tiffany's on a shelf in your family room and landfilling the rest?
To be clear: I'm calling the South losers because they.. lost the war. Not only are their values repugnant, they got their butts whupped.
And the North will do it again each time the South rises again.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Play the Anthem before the players enter the field.
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So...it is not a matter of how I see things...it is that you express wide differences and contradictions in how say YOU see things yourself.
What is so hard to understand??
A person can be both against and for abortion (I am)
A person can be both for tight boarder security and for legal immigration (I am)
A person can be both for the police and against the bad cops (I am)
A person can be against racism while not supporting the BLM organization (I am)
A person can be both for the right to bear arms yet wants tougher gun ownership regulations (I am)
A person can believe in a higher power (God) yet believe we are not alone in the universe (I do)
A person can be a Browns fan and still pick them to go 6-10 and win the preseason prognostication pole most years (I do)
^ This message was sponsored by neither a republican or a democrat and shows what a registered Independent thinker actually looks like.
What is so hard to understand??
A person can be both against and for abortion (I am)
A person can be both for tight boarder security and for legal immigration (I am)
A person can be both for the police and against the bad cops (I am)
A person can be against racism while not supporting the BLM organization (I am)
A person can be both for the right to bear arms yet wants tougher gun ownership regulations (I am)
A person can believe in a higher power (God) yet believe we are not alone in the universe (I do)
A person can be a Browns fan and still pick them to go 6-10 and win the preseason prognostication pole most years (I do)
^ This message was sponsored by neither a republican or a democrat and shows what a registered Independent thinker actually looks like.
Maybe my favorite non-football related post I’ve ever read on this site.
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Play the Anthem before the players enter the field.
I have always asked: Why is it that it is sports that is the ONLY form of entertainment that the anthem is played? It is not played before you watch a movie, see a play, watch a concert (unless it is Jimi Hendrix at Woodstock)....it is only a sporting event. And not even all sporting events. They don't play it before a golf tournament, a tennis match, and I don't think they play it before boxing matches or like MMA events (I am only speculating here, never having gone to one of those live events.) Just team sports, it seems.
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Play the Anthem before the players enter the field.
I have always asked: Why is it that it is sports that is the ONLY form of entertainment that the anthem is played? It is not played before you watch a movie, see a play, watch a concert (unless it is Jimi Hendrix at Woodstock)....it is only a sporting event. And not even all sporting events. They don't play it before a golf tournament, a tennis match, and I don't think they play it before boxing matches or like MMA events (I am only speculating here, never having gone to one of those live events.) Just team sports, it seems.
I have always asked: Why is it that it is sports that is the ONLY form of entertainment that the anthem is played? It is not played before you watch a movie, see a play, watch a concert (unless it is Jimi Hendrix at Woodstock)....it is only a sporting event. And not even all sporting events. They don't play it before a golf tournament, a tennis match, and I don't think they play it before boxing matches or like MMA events (I am only speculating here, never having gone to one of those live events.) Just team sports, it seems.
Honestly, that's a good question.
And I wonder if the people who were so up in arms about the kneeling in the first place stand at home when the National Anthem is played before a game when they are watching it on the TV.?
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History and art are 2 things l’m driven to protect.
I don’t really see the Confederacy as a big all encompassing thing
You are wildly objectively wrong with this. Those "pieces of art" were created explicitly to remind black people that they are controlled by white people - yes, to justify those towns installing Jim Crow laws. The text of the Cornerstone Speech [first link] shows that Southerners convinced themselves that slavery was good for black people [Just like.. Fox News watchers!] and that whites are naturally better than blacks. There's nothing you're protecting other than racist losers, dude. The Lost Cause is fake news. Poor people getting caught up in things..... is both life and not a justification.
Sure, "put them in museums" is one argument --- except that those statues were deliberately inexpensive. From the second link: It's like they went to the Wal-Mart for statues rather than actually commissioning something marble or granite. What's the difference between keeping for posterity all 143 of your grandmother's cheap and ugly mismatched chotchkys - or just putting her two Tiffany's on a shelf in your family room and landfilling the rest?
To be clear: I'm calling the South losers because they.. lost the war. Not only are their values repugnant, they got their butts whupped.
And the North will do it again each time the South rises again.
You are wildly objectively wrong with this. Those "pieces of art" were created explicitly to remind black people that they are controlled by white people - yes, to justify those towns installing Jim Crow laws. The text of the Cornerstone Speech [first link] shows that Southerners convinced themselves that slavery was good for black people [Just like.. Fox News watchers!] and that whites are naturally better than blacks. There's nothing you're protecting other than racist losers, dude. The Lost Cause is fake news. Poor people getting caught up in things..... is both life and not a justification.
Sure, "put them in museums" is one argument --- except that those statues were deliberately inexpensive. From the second link: It's like they went to the Wal-Mart for statues rather than actually commissioning something marble or granite. What's the difference between keeping for posterity all 143 of your grandmother's cheap and ugly mismatched chotchkys - or just putting her two Tiffany's on a shelf in your family room and landfilling the rest?
To be clear: I'm calling the South losers because they.. lost the war. Not only are their values repugnant, they got their butts whupped.
And the North will do it again each time the South rises again.
The last several posts l’ve read from you have been ginsu sharp. Man you’re really good at this. Poignant, researched and succinct. Hats off.
I threw that out for the duality of it all, and to take my licks. Art and history used to be honorable things to stand up for. Sort of a commentary of the times l suppose. It’s not easy being a middle aged dude relearning things. Thanks for the licks and keep it up.
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I have always asked: Why is it that it is sports that is the ONLY form of entertainment that the anthem is played? It is not played before you watch a movie, see a play, watch a concert (unless it is Jimi Hendrix at Woodstock)....it is only a sporting event. And not even all sporting events. They don't play it before a golf tournament, a tennis match, and I don't think they play it before boxing matches or like MMA events (I am only speculating here, never having gone to one of those live events.) Just team sports, it seems.
Honestly, that's a good question.
And I wonder if the people who were so up in arms about the kneeling in the first place stand at home when the National Anthem is played before a game when they are watching it on the TV.?
Honestly, that's a good question.
And I wonder if the people who were so up in arms about the kneeling in the first place stand at home when the National Anthem is played before a game when they are watching it on the TV.?
I’m an unabashed baseball fan, and the anthem is a big deal for me at games. It’s part of the experience. I certainly don’t stand at home watching on tv, but l get a real kick out of the pause in life at games.
Ever been in line for beer when the Anthem happens? Everything pauses. And everyone understands. There is zero boat rocking. It’s really really cool.
That’s the moment man. It all comes together. My ambitions are to want that pause for everyone.
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Honestly, that's a good question.
And I wonder if the people who were so up in arms about the kneeling in the first place stand at home when the National Anthem is played before a game when they are watching it on the TV.?
I’m an unabashed baseball fan, and the anthem is a big deal for me at games. It’s part of the experience. I certainly don’t stand at home watching on tv, but l get a real kick out of the pause in life at games.
Ever been in line for beer when the Anthem happens? Everything pauses. And everyone understands. There is zero boat rocking. It’s really really cool.
That’s the moment man. It all comes together. My ambitions are to want that pause for everyone.
I’m an unabashed baseball fan, and the anthem is a big deal for me at games. It’s part of the experience. I certainly don’t stand at home watching on tv, but l get a real kick out of the pause in life at games.
Ever been in line for beer when the Anthem happens? Everything pauses. And everyone understands. There is zero boat rocking. It’s really really cool.
That’s the moment man. It all comes together. My ambitions are to want that pause for everyone.
Is that it, or are you standing because that is what is socially expected? (And I'll admit, I get goosebumps EVERY time I hear the anthem live before an Indians game. I get what you are saying and to be honest, while I totally understand why guys are kneeling, I'm not sure I'd be able to do it. But I believe in the choice to do so)
Someone I know posted last night on Facebook about how "When I went to school we said the Pledge of Allegiance every day", basically alluding to that is why older people have more respect for the country, etc... I'm 44, and we said the Pledge every day too - and overwhelmingly the kids I did it with didn't give two fucks about it. Generally, that is what happends when you are forced to do something by rote.
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I’m an unabashed baseball fan, and the anthem is a big deal for me at games. It’s part of the experience. I certainly don’t stand at home watching on tv, but l get a real kick out of the pause in life at games.
Ever been in line for beer when the Anthem happens? Everything pauses. And everyone understands. There is zero boat rocking. It’s really really cool.
That’s the moment man. It all comes together. My ambitions are to want that pause for everyone.
Is that it, or are you standing because that is what is socially expected? (And I'll admit, I get goosebumps EVERY time I hear the anthem live before an Indians game. I get what you are saying and to be honest, while I totally understand why guys are kneeling, I'm not sure I'd be able to do it. But I believe in the choice to do so)
Someone I know posted last night on Facebook about how "When I went to school we said the Pledge of Allegiance every day", basically alluding to that is why older people have more respect for the country, etc... I'm 44, and we said the Pledge every day too - and overwhelmingly the kids I did it with didn't give two fucks about it. Generally, that is what happends when you are forced to do something by rote.
Is that it, or are you standing because that is what is socially expected? (And I'll admit, I get goosebumps EVERY time I hear the anthem live before an Indians game. I get what you are saying and to be honest, while I totally understand why guys are kneeling, I'm not sure I'd be able to do it. But I believe in the choice to do so)
Someone I know posted last night on Facebook about how "When I went to school we said the Pledge of Allegiance every day", basically alluding to that is why older people have more respect for the country, etc... I'm 44, and we said the Pledge every day too - and overwhelmingly the kids I did it with didn't give two fucks about it. Generally, that is what happends when you are forced to do something by rote.
Ah, we are the exact same age. You got an October birthday?
A bit of both l suppose to the first question. That’s actually a good question with rabbit hole answers for me personally.
I took my dad to a Tribe v Reds game once. He SAT during the Anthem. He’s a former hippie and very much marches to the beat of his own drum. We’ve never discussed that, but that’s seared into my brain. And it’s my dad. Stickin’ it to the Man.
Myself, l truly get a rise out of the Anthem at a game. My daughter is usually my game buddy, and afterwards we usually head nod or comment on the rendition. It’s not an easy song to sing and requires some range.
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