What we saw after Game 1
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Masters said:
I see we shared some similar observations Jason
Though I was less impressed with Cribbs rounding into a true WR than youI'm not sure "rounding into a true WR" is all that impressed. He just looked substantially less confused than before. He looked much more decisive in his routes. I'm still not convinced he's an every down receiver just yet. I think Furrey at the Z works. Cribbs might be an effective slot receiver if he can get better at settling into zone coverages
-jj
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TheJokersWILD said:
Hey Jason, would you try Coye Francies at saftey after that hit he layed on that receiver lastnight? Great post by the wayI doubt it. Cornerback is such a rare skill combination, you have to exhaust all the possibilities that this kid can be a legit NFL corner before you try him at safety. There's a reason that top safeties make $30 million, and top CB's make $60 million - $80 million.
There will be plenty of opportunities to get him on the field in the dime and 7 DB sets. That way you can hone his coverage skills and give him a shot to develop.
-jj
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Masters said:
I see we shared some similar observations Jason Though I was less impressed with Cribbs rounding into a true WR than youI'm not sure "rounding into a true WR" is all that impressed. He just looked substantially less confused than before. He looked much more decisive in his routes. I'm still not convinced he's an every down receiver just yet. I think Furrey at the Z works. Cribbs might be an effective slot receiver if he can get better at settling into zone coverages
-jj
I think Furrey at the Z works.
-jj
I'd like to add that you really got me thinking here. Doesn't Braylon play the Z? What are you trying to say here?
Maybe I'm just too far out of the loop since moving to Arizona. Choppy Sopcast feeds that work only 30% of the time are no way to get my Browns fix.
-Al, who is definitely getting the Sunday Ticket this year.
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I think Furrey at the Z works.
-jj
I'd like to add that you really got me thinking here. Doesn't Braylon play the Z? What are you trying to say here?
Maybe I'm just too far out of the loop since moving to Arizona. Choppy Sopcast feeds that work only 30% of the time are no way to get my Browns fix.
-Al, who is definitely getting the Sunday Ticket this year.
I'd like to add that you really got me thinking here. Doesn't Braylon play the Z? What are you trying to say here?
Maybe I'm just too far out of the loop since moving to Arizona. Choppy Sopcast feeds that work only 30% of the time are no way to get my Browns fix.
-Al, who is definitely getting the Sunday Ticket this year.
Edwards has been working primarily at the X. I'm not sure why. I speculated that it might be in order to dictate some match-ups. I mean, Edwards is more than physical enough to play on the line, it's just unusual that you'd have a clear #1 and play him to your QB's off-hand side. But that seems to be the case. Of course they move the TE's around quite a bit, and you use a lot of 2 TE sets against the 3-4... so the X/Z stuff is a bit fluid
-jj
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One thing that's omitted above is the GLARING inability of the running backs to pick up the blitz. They either never entirely "filled the window" or the just got beaten. That led to pressure on the QB all night long. James Davis was perhaps the worst offender.
I would worry more about the defense if the Packers did that to us with Rogers in the game. That isn't to say that all was good on that side of the ball because it wasn't.
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Well, defense was our problem for the last however many god damn years. Yet we still draft a Center with the first pick. Lord have mercy on this team!
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Well, defense was our problem for the last however many god damn years. Yet we still draft a Center with the first pick. Lord have mercy on this team!
Chickenwang said:
Well, defense was our problem for the last however many god damn years. Yet we still draft a Center with the first pick. Lord have mercy on this team!LOL. What did you want, some overhyped defensive player who would suck? Listen, the Browns just don't have problems on defense, they have problems running the ball and the poor play at C was a big reason why.
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Ok, Ok... here's a not-so-quick look at last night's game.
You've got a lot of moving parts here... but nothing to get all in a tizzy about. Offensively, the front five played, overall a solid game. Moving, creating seams -- not gaping holes -- but seams. The pass protection was adequate. You had the one blown protection on the safety blitz allowing Kampmann to come in clean. But overall, I'd call it a C+ B- effort up front.
My best guess is, you're going to see this group pretty much from here on out. Foster is just not as gifted as St. Clair, and Mack still has some work to do. The only other backups there were to take note of was a solid performance by Isaac Sowells, whose moving better than I remember seeing him... until he decided to start collecting penalties, and Ryan Tucker who performed well, but probably not well enough to earn a start.
The weak link, in my opinion, is TE Robert Royal in the pass game. He's just not a good pass receiver. He wanders through the secondary, and has unusually weak hands for such a big guy. It seems he can't make a catch and take contact without putting the ball on the grass. Heiden being cleared to play can really help flex this offense. And that's going to have to be the solution short term, because Martin Rucker looks like he's on about step 2 of a 5 step process to becoming a legitimate NFL tight end. I would expect Walker to press for playing time. And, I would not be surprised to see another tight end brought in here off waivers as cuts start to happen.
The running backs, in limited action, showed little. Lewis looks like he has a little "camp legs"... a little slow, lacking some of the power that you'd normally see. A couple of days off will do him some good. Harrison moved like his feet hurt. And, Davis and Herron looked like rookies... which is unfortunate, because Herron's been in the league for quite a while. He is about as ineffective in blitz pick up as I've seen from a running back. If he actually does pick up the blitz, he's a haphazard blocker. I just don't see him making this club. Kinda makes you wish the Browns had picked up Herron's replacement at Northwestern.
The wide receivers, well... let's start with the positives. Josh Cribbs looks to be rounding into a receiver, Furrey's the pro everyone figured he was, and overall, I like the scheme in the passing game. Edwards was on again, off again. Getting some decent separation at times, but he's still fighting the football. Massoquoi needs to loosen up those hips, he's too vertical to get in and out of his breaks with any separation. Robiskie was as advertised. Polished, few mistakes, but he's just not particularly gifted athletically (by NFL standards). He's not terribly explosive, and doesn't have great top end speed... or rather, doesn't get up to full speed very quickly. It could be camp fatigue... time will tell.
And then there's the quarterbacks... Yikes. I certainly hope we can put to rest the post-scrimmage, "What about Ratliff?" talk. Sheesh! He's got a long, long way to go.
Quinn looked solid... but... you know how it goes. You can't miss in the red zone. That interception is the kind of thing that drives me crazy. It's not a mental breakdown, it's a physical malfunction. You can't make a spot throw moving to your right off your back foot. It's going to come off slow and right. If he was going to make that throw it has to be lofted another 3 yards to the left, or tuck it and run. You just can't physically dot that one. That's what makes Pittsburgh's #7, well, #7. He makes that throw. He arches that ball to the end line, and leads Edwards away from Smith - one of the league's most inept cover safeties - and goes to the bench. You've got to know what your body will do and what it won't.
Outside of that, Quinn was quick and efficient. His mechanics are spot on. He's got good presence, and great feet. On any throw but the INT, slow it down, watch him check off his reads with his feet... rotating his base... then watch that textbook weight shift. That front foot pops just a little bit as he loads up that back leg, then shifts that weight forward, pounding on that front leg. It's near-perfect. He's just got to maintain his mechanics when the pocket breaks down... or be better at managing his body in motion, if he's going to try to make that goal line throw... or more to the point, if he's going to lead a football team.
Anderson never really got his legs under him. His timing was off. He threw early, threw late, had no feel for the pocket. He was awful, just awful. He had two throws re-directed because he was too slow on his reads, and had no perception of the rush. The one that Royal tried to fair catch - that's a six man rush. You've got to get rid of that thing. And he's pattering around back there like he's wearing a red jersey. The INT, 5 man with a spy, and he's pump faking. Gotta see that! The swing pass to Harrison was a mess. Although, at least he didn't kill him with it... that's a positive. But his timing was so far off that he actually threw it way to early and led the coverage to the swing route... not to mention it was so early that he actually threw it backward, setting up a potential fumble situation. His mechanics were way off. He looked rattled. The misfire to Cribbs (wiped out by a penalty) he's got his hips and shoulders way ahead of the throw. He's almost parallel to the target when he releases it, like he's throwing darts. Bad stuff. He was completely out of synch Saturday night.
But that said, Anderson needs to get some more reps. He needs more of a shot then that offered him. A good play script and a start should give him a legitimate chance to wrest this job away from Quinn.
But, the first game goes to Quinn by a nose. It's still neck and neck, I'd think. But that's mostly because Anderson never got going. You're not supposed to go 3 and out, then go 45 minutes before you get the ball back. That's ridiculous.
Which brings me to the defense. What do we have? The deal with the devil that is hulking up your 3-4, i.e. getting 300+ pounders to 2-gap the front 3, leaves you vulnerable to base package passing attacks. You just can't create much of a push with heel-deep draft horses up front. You have to attack the line of scrimmage with those OLBs and safeties. You can't generate any pressure otherwise. So, when you're trying to keep it vanilla for the preseason, you end up with quarterbacks picking apart your zone coverages. That straight 3 down cover 3 they kept running, you'll probably never see that in the regular season. For crying out loud, that touchdown to Driver was a triple move, I think. Rodgers was back there forever.
So, let's look at the personnel. Rubin had a nice game, but he's obviously no Shaun Rodgers. And not playing Shaun Rodgers makes that a different defense. But as a group the D-line (1st group), held depth, had some cracks, but did a decent job playing 3 on 6 when the Browns laid back on the blitzes. It's nothing to get excited about just yet. I know this group will be much better once the scheme ratchets up.
What I don't know is how Titus Brown managed to get the start Saturday night. He's just not ready. He's consistently soft on the corner, he reacts late, slow in coverage, he's a real liability out there. Watch the touchdown toss at the goal line. He's got bad leverage, can't set the edge, bad body position, get's too square on the blocker... it's patently awful. I don't think we ever saw David Bowens... but we will. And I'm reasonably sure that Saturday was Titus' last start of the preseason.
The DBs did about as much as they could with a complete lack of pressure most of the time. You could see that when the Browns dialed up the blitz (all vertical blitzes by the way - meaning all defenders were blitzing directly to the quarterback from their positions.. and mostly from their base positions - just the vanilla stuff), the coverage generally held up. When there was no pressure, there were receivers coming open everywhere. I think you're beginning to see what kind of defense this will be. It's going to be shifting, moving, attacking defense, where different combinations are attacking the line of scrimmage from different angle on just about every play.
So, really I'm not all that concerned about what I saw on Defense. Wimbley looked good (Nice bullrush a couple of times, little in and out move, and pursuing everything downfield), Jackson is Jackson. Barton had a tough game... he seemed to have a lot of trouble getting his pad level down. That Veikune kid is going to press him for snaps, but obviously not for the starting job. Leon Williams is thinking too much out there... and that's not Leon's strong suit.
Corey Ivy needs to show that he still has the physical ability to play this game. He was physically over-matched, slow afoot, and out of position frequently. He needs to be better. Eric Wright flashed some solid cover skills, and Pool looks like he's got the system down. Outside of those starters, that Bernard kid looks like he wants a job, and Louis Leonard showed some decent movement at the nose. Interesting to see Corey Williams taking a couple of snaps over center too. It think we'll be seeing less and less of Adam Hoppel - he's not making this team. Although, I thought Melila Purcell earned some PT for the coming weeks. He might have a chance to stick.
Brandon Anderson seemed to be around the ball an awful lot, as did Coye Francies. Which is good for them. Looks like the end of the Nick Sorensen era based on some shoddy takling and the frequent presence of Abdullah. He's one of those "always in the frame" guys. He looks like a ball player. But overall, you really can't scout DB's from the broadcast tape. They're off the screen too frequently. There was unfortunately a good deal of tape on Corey Ivy. He's got some making up to do if he's going to make this team.
All told, I'd say your looking at C/C- performance. A couple of B's out there for a couple of guys - Walker, Wimbley, Veikune, Francies - couple of others played themselves one step closer to a new career in the service industry, or at the very least a new team. Other than that, there's not much to get excited over - good or bad. That's just what I saw.
-jj
What I don't know is how Titus Brown managed to get the start Saturday night. He's just not ready. He's consistently soft on the corner, he reacts late, slow in coverage, he's a real liability out there. Watch the touchdown toss at the goal line. He's got bad leverage, can't set the edge, bad body position, get's too square on the blocker... it's patently awful. I don't think we ever saw David Bowens... but we will. And I'm reasonably sure that Saturday was Titus' last start of the preseason.
I too was underwhelmed by Brown's play. Mangini does have a history of throwing a young guy to the wolves to see if he can step up: when Pete Kendall got traded, he moved Jacob Bender, a late round small school tackle, into the starting LG spot. I think that lasted a week of practices and maybe one preseason game.
I'm guessing he was doing the same thing with Brown. Bowens has some sort of nagging injury, so Mangini gave the young guy a shot. Unfortunately, he didn't step up.
@jason-j said:
Wimbley looked good (Nice bullrush a couple of times, little in and out move, and pursuing everything downfield)How do you think he looked against the run?
It seemed to me like he struggled a bit. On the 14 yard run, the Packers motioned a receiver in, who (along with the RT) locked Kenyon Coleman inside. Wimbley could've stopped the play by beating TE Donald Lee, but instead got stood up and pushed back.
If he can't hold up against tight ends, I don't know how he'll survive as a strongside OLB, which seems to be the plan for him.
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I'd like to add that you really got me thinking here. Doesn't Braylon play the Z? What are you trying to say here?
Maybe I'm just too far out of the loop since moving to Arizona. Choppy Sopcast feeds that work only 30% of the time are no way to get my Browns fix.
-Al, who is definitely getting the Sunday Ticket this year.
Edwards has been working primarily at the X. I'm not sure why. I speculated that it might be in order to dictate some match-ups. I mean, Edwards is more than physical enough to play on the line, it's just unusual that you'd have a clear #1 and play him to your QB's off-hand side. But that seems to be the case. Of course they move the TE's around quite a bit, and you use a lot of 2 TE sets against the 3-4... so the X/Z stuff is a bit fluid
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Edwards has been working primarily at the X. I'm not sure why. I speculated that it might be in order to dictate some match-ups. I mean, Edwards is more than physical enough to play on the line, it's just unusual that you'd have a clear #1 and play him to your QB's off-hand side. But that seems to be the case. Of course they move the TE's around quite a bit, and you use a lot of 2 TE sets against the 3-4... so the X/Z stuff is a bit fluid
If the plan coming in was to have a rookie be the #2 receiver, wouldn't it make sense to have him play off the line (at the Z)? That'd be especially true for Robiskie, who - as you said - needs an extra step or two to get to full speed.
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Edwards has been working primarily at the X. I'm not sure why. I speculated that it might be in order to dictate some match-ups. I mean, Edwards is more than physical enough to play on the line, it's just unusual that you'd have a clear #1 and play him to your QB's off-hand side. But that seems to be the case. Of course they move the TE's around quite a bit, and you use a lot of 2 TE sets against the 3-4... so the X/Z stuff is a bit fluid
If the plan coming in was to have a rookie be the #2 receiver, wouldn't it make sense to have him play off the line (at the Z)? That'd be especially true for Robiskie, who - as you said - needs an extra step or two to get to full speed.
Aloysius said:
If the plan coming in was to have a rookie be the #2 receiver, wouldn't it make sense to have him play off the line (at the Z)? That'd be especially true for Robiskie, who - as you said - needs an extra step or two to get to full speed.Typically, you wouldn't take anything away from your number 1 receiver, even if it's just the yard of space on the strong side of the formation. Not to mention, QB's tend to throw more to their "handed" side. Generally, you'd want to get your ace over there.
It's not unprecedented, but it is rare.
-jj
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What I don't know is how Titus Brown managed to get the start Saturday night. He's just not ready. He's consistently soft on the corner, he reacts late, slow in coverage, he's a real liability out there. Watch the touchdown toss at the goal line. He's got bad leverage, can't set the edge, bad body position, get's too square on the blocker... it's patently awful. I don't think we ever saw David Bowens... but we will. And I'm reasonably sure that Saturday was Titus' last start of the preseason.
I too was underwhelmed by Brown's play. Mangini does have a history of throwing a young guy to the wolves to see if he can step up: when Pete Kendall got traded, he moved Jacob Bender, a late round small school tackle, into the starting LG spot. I think that lasted a week of practices and maybe one preseason game.
I'm guessing he was doing the same thing with Brown. Bowens has some sort of nagging injury, so Mangini gave the young guy a shot. Unfortunately, he didn't step up.
@jason-j said:
Wimbley looked good (Nice bullrush a couple of times, little in and out move, and pursuing everything downfield)How do you think he looked against the run?
It seemed to me like he struggled a bit. On the 14 yard run, the Packers motioned a receiver in, who (along with the RT) locked Kenyon Coleman inside. Wimbley could've stopped the play by beating TE Donald Lee, but instead got stood up and pushed back.
If he can't hold up against tight ends, I don't know how he'll survive as a strongside OLB, which seems to be the plan for him.
Aloysius said:
I too was underwhelmed by Brown's play. Mangini does have a history of throwing a young guy to the wolves to see if he can step up: when Pete Kendall got traded, he moved Jacob Bender, a late round small school tackle, into the starting LG spot. I think that lasted a week of practices and maybe one preseason game.I'm guessing he was doing the same thing with Brown. Bowens has some sort of nagging injury, so Mangini gave the young guy a shot. Unfortunately, he didn't step up.
How do you think he looked against the run?
It seemed to me like he struggled a bit. On the 14 yard run, the Packers motioned a receiver in, who (along with the RT) locked Kenyon Coleman inside. Wimbley could've stopped the play by beating TE Donald Lee, but instead got stood up and pushed back.
If he can't hold up against tight ends, I don't know how he'll survive as a strongside OLB, which seems to be the plan for him.
I really don't put much stock in run defense in preseason games - particularly if this is a 3-4 from the Parcells tree. They run it almost straight up. No subs, very few positional shifts. They may blitz, but it will be a straight show blitz, or open overload. It's just not the same defense that you'll see in the regular season.
I'm not sure that Wimbley will be playing a straight 9 technique all that often. If he does, it'll take him some time to be consistently effective. But, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the number of free running defenders in Mangini/Ryan's actual gameday defense.
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yeah jason i think your right the D we saw was a very basic one. We wont show what we have until maybe game 3. So who here is excited about game 2? I am stoked to see quinn out there again. He might not be able to hit the long ball consistently but he can hit the intermediate passing great.
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Jason & Al, can you start your own thread, and just call it "Class" or "School"
Is anybody else enjoying their conversation as much as I am?
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Jason & Al, can you start your own thread, and just call it "Class" or "School"
Is anybody else enjoying their conversation as much as I am?
Jason & Al, can you start your own thread, and just call it "Class" or "School"
I'm still trying to figure out how much sucking up I need to do to get an A.
Professor J, do you need someone to pick up your dry cleaning?
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Aloysius said:
I too was underwhelmed by Brown's play. Mangini does have a history of throwing a young guy to the wolves to see if he can step up: when Pete Kendall got traded, he moved Jacob Bender, a late round small school tackle, into the starting LG spot. I think that lasted a week of practices and maybe one preseason game.I'm guessing he was doing the same thing with Brown. Bowens has some sort of nagging injury, so Mangini gave the young guy a shot. Unfortunately, he didn't step up.
How do you think he looked against the run?
It seemed to me like he struggled a bit. On the 14 yard run, the Packers motioned a receiver in, who (along with the RT) locked Kenyon Coleman inside. Wimbley could've stopped the play by beating TE Donald Lee, but instead got stood up and pushed back.
If he can't hold up against tight ends, I don't know how he'll survive as a strongside OLB, which seems to be the plan for him.
I really don't put much stock in run defense in preseason games - particularly if this is a 3-4 from the Parcells tree. They run it almost straight up. No subs, very few positional shifts. They may blitz, but it will be a straight show blitz, or open overload. It's just not the same defense that you'll see in the regular season.
I'm not sure that Wimbley will be playing a straight 9 technique all that often. If he does, it'll take him some time to be consistently effective. But, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the number of free running defenders in Mangini/Ryan's actual gameday defense.
-jj
I really don't put much stock in run defense in preseason games - particularly if this is a 3-4 from the Parcells tree. They run it almost straight up. No subs, very few positional shifts. They may blitz, but it will be a straight show blitz, or open overload. It's just not the same defense that you'll see in the regular season.
I'm not sure that Wimbley will be playing a straight 9 technique all that often. If he does, it'll take him some time to be consistently effective. But, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the number of free running defenders in Mangini/Ryan's actual gameday defense.
-jj
Good points JJ.
I remembered Parcells saying something along these lines: "it took Carl Banks about 3 years to really GET it; but when the light finally went on there was nobody better." I say such a thing because I see Wimbley's 11 sacks as a wide eyed rookie as untapped talent awaiting the right coach. Think about it, the Giants were loaded with LBers at the time so if Carl Banks had the WRONG coach - they could have easily given up on him prematurely. I'm hoping that light goes on with Wimbley and I'm guessing that gets easier if the talent around him gets better.
The other night, I wasn't too worried about the preseason schemes or even the game plan for that matter. However, I thought the tackling looked atrocious. There were a few occasions where guys were in the right place but they just couldn't make the tackle. For example, there was a play where #97 (Santonio Thomas) beat the block and had a clean shot at the RB in the backfield. This became just the opposite of a text book tackle. First, he was too high. Second, as he made contact there was no attempt to wrap. End result, the ballcarrier bounced off, reversed his field and made a decent gain.
Defenses are usually light years ahead of offenses this early on so I was unpleasantly surprised by it all. I know there's a reluctance to tackle in practice because we don't want to get too many guys injured. That said, when you don't ever do any tackling - you can't expect to look sharp at doing so simply because it's game day all of a sudden. I guess this is one of those skills where you say you play like you practice.
- Tom F.
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I really don't put much stock in run defense in preseason games - particularly if this is a 3-4 from the Parcells tree. They run it almost straight up. No subs, very few positional shifts. They may blitz, but it will be a straight show blitz, or open overload. It's just not the same defense that you'll see in the regular season.
I'm not sure that Wimbley will be playing a straight 9 technique all that often. If he does, it'll take him some time to be consistently effective. But, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the number of free running defenders in Mangini/Ryan's actual gameday defense.
-jj
Good points JJ.
I remembered Parcells saying something along these lines: "it took Carl Banks about 3 years to really GET it; but when the light finally went on there was nobody better." I say such a thing because I see Wimbley's 11 sacks as a wide eyed rookie as untapped talent awaiting the right coach. Think about it, the Giants were loaded with LBers at the time so if Carl Banks had the WRONG coach - they could have easily given up on him prematurely. I'm hoping that light goes on with Wimbley and I'm guessing that gets easier if the talent around him gets better.
The other night, I wasn't too worried about the preseason schemes or even the game plan for that matter. However, I thought the tackling looked atrocious. There were a few occasions where guys were in the right place but they just couldn't make the tackle. For example, there was a play where #97 (Santonio Thomas) beat the block and had a clean shot at the RB in the backfield. This became just the opposite of a text book tackle. First, he was too high. Second, as he made contact there was no attempt to wrap. End result, the ballcarrier bounced off, reversed his field and made a decent gain.
Defenses are usually light years ahead of offenses this early on so I was unpleasantly surprised by it all. I know there's a reluctance to tackle in practice because we don't want to get too many guys injured. That said, when you don't ever do any tackling - you can't expect to look sharp at doing so simply because it's game day all of a sudden. I guess this is one of those skills where you say you play like you practice.
- Tom F.
Good points JJ.
I remembered Parcells saying something along these lines: "it took Carl Banks about 3 years to really GET it; but when the light finally went on there was nobody better." I say such a thing because I see Wimbley's 11 sacks as a wide eyed rookie as untapped talent awaiting the right coach. Think about it, the Giants were loaded with LBers at the time so if Carl Banks had the WRONG coach - they could have easily given up on him prematurely. I'm hoping that light goes on with Wimbley and I'm guessing that gets easier if the talent around him gets better.
The other night, I wasn't too worried about the preseason schemes or even the game plan for that matter. However, I thought the tackling looked atrocious. There were a few occasions where guys were in the right place but they just couldn't make the tackle. For example, there was a play where #97 (Santonio Thomas) beat the block and had a clean shot at the RB in the backfield. This became just the opposite of a text book tackle. First, he was too high. Second, as he made contact there was no attempt to wrap. End result, the ballcarrier bounced off, reversed his field and made a decent gain.
Defenses are usually light years ahead of offenses this early on so I was unpleasantly surprised by it all. I know there's a reluctance to tackle in practice because we don't want to get too many guys injured. That said, when you don't ever do any tackling - you can't expect to look sharp at doing so simply because it's game day all of a sudden. I guess this is one of those skills where you say you play like you practice.
- Tom F.
I'll agree with you there. The tackling was atrocious. That's a matter of coach/player relationship. Are they selling out for you? Tackling (while technique is important) is far more about will. Do you want to do it?
But as far as defensive scheme goes, Mangini is not going to show much in a meaningless preseason game. If you remember last preseason, the Browns 1's (the 2008 Browns... you know, those guys) carved up the Jets defense. They scored on two of three drives, and should have scored on a third (actually the second), if not for an interception deep in Jets territory, that skipped off the hands of Syndric Steptoe and floated to Eric Barton. They moved the ball at will against what was going to be a Top 10 run defense.
I get the impression that Mangini is not flexing his coaching muscles in the preseason, but he is testing the will of the guys in the orange helmets.
-jj
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Jason & Al, can you start your own thread, and just call it "Class" or "School"
I'm still trying to figure out how much sucking up I need to do to get an A.
Professor J, do you need someone to pick up your dry cleaning?
Aloysius said:
I'm still trying to figure out how much sucking up I need to do to get an A.Professor J, do you need someone to pick up your dry cleaning?
If I were a Mod I would put you and Jason into a thread with about 4-5 other posters I respect, and lock everyone else the f*ck out.
Good stuff.
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Jason & Al, can you start your own thread, and just call it "Class" or "School"
I'm still trying to figure out how much sucking up I need to do to get an A.
Professor J, do you need someone to pick up your dry cleaning?
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I was in Mexico...so I didn't see the game...but looking at the stories and the stats...and the play by plays I come away with this:
Quinn and DA each had 2 series:
Quinn got the offense in scoring position on both...
DA had 3 and outs on both...
Quinn had a FG nullified by a penalty (he was not on the field for the penalty) and a TD pass dropped (yes, the 2nd pass was an INT) in the 2 minute drill...
DA had one of 2 passes INT'd (he had a 3rd incomplete nullified by a defensive penalty), and that on a long ball...
Now, 2 series in the first pre-season game doesn't say much...but when it is that lopsided it is 'something'.
Right now, DA needs to step up and step up big in the Detroit game...or Quinn has to have a melt-down for the 'competition' to go past the Detroit game.
IMHO
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