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Why is Balt. good every year?

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    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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    John Harbaugh is at the top of the list of reasons. 

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      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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      Good management/talent evaluation.  Good coaching.  Things the Browns have lacked. 

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        -Well established successful defensive system/philosophy.  They have guys that leave and they still do well.  
         

        -they have never had QB play that has crippled them.  They’ve had Some game managers over the years but they’ve played well.  

        -Billock and Then Harbaugh.

        -kicker is an absolute weapon and a clear advantage over most teams

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          -Well established successful defensive system/philosophy.  They have guys that leave and they still do well.  
           

          -they have never had QB play that has crippled them.  They’ve had Some game managers over the years but they’ve played well.  

          -Billock and Then Harbaugh.

          -kicker is an absolute weapon and a clear advantage over most teams

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          @sdbacker80 said:

          -Well established successful defensive system/philosophy.  They have guys that leave and they still do well.  
           

          -they have never had QB play that has crippled them.  They’ve had Some game managers over the years but they’ve played well.  

          -Billock and Then Harbaugh.

          -kicker is an absolute weapon and a clear advantage over most teams

          — exact opposite of the Browns of the last couple decades

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            ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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            They think D first.

            If you have a really good D, you are in every game.  If you give up 30+ points a game, you can't always keep up with that.  If you give up 17 or under, most teams have a shot.

            I know offense is sexy, but D is what wins you games.

            Put your effort in to the D.

            If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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              John Harbaugh is at the top of the list of reasons. 

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              @d-bone said:

              John Harbaugh is at the top of the list of reasons. 

              He's definitely at or near the top. 

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                -Well established successful defensive system/philosophy.  They have guys that leave and they still do well.  
                 

                -they have never had QB play that has crippled them.  They’ve had Some game managers over the years but they’ve played well.  

                -Billock and Then Harbaugh.

                -kicker is an absolute weapon and a clear advantage over most teams

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                @sdbacker80 said:

                -Well established successful defensive system/philosophy.  They have guys that leave and they still do well.  
                 

                -they have never had QB play that has crippled them.  They’ve had Some game managers over the years but they’ve played well.  

                -Billock and Then Harbaugh.

                -kicker is an absolute weapon and a clear advantage over most teams

                The one clear mistake was giving Flacco that big deal coming off the SB win. But what choice did they have? Win a ring and let the QB who won it walk? Oh, wait, they did do that with Dilfer. 

                That 2000 D was up there with anyone, including the '85 Bears and 70's Steelers. 

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                  -Well established successful defensive system/philosophy.  They have guys that leave and they still do well.  
                   

                  -they have never had QB play that has crippled them.  They’ve had Some game managers over the years but they’ve played well.  

                  -Billock and Then Harbaugh.

                  -kicker is an absolute weapon and a clear advantage over most teams

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                  @sdbacker80 said:

                  -Well established successful defensive system/philosophy.  They have guys that leave and they still do well.  
                   

                  -they have never had QB play that has crippled them.  They’ve had Some game managers over the years but they’ve played well.  

                  -Billock and Then Harbaugh.

                  -kicker is an absolute weapon and a clear advantage over most teams

                  Kyle Boller was horrible but yeah otherwise they've been solid.

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                    GorkaG Gorka wrote on last edited by
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                    Asking why Pitt is a contender every year must be getting old.

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                      OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                      Why is Balt. good every year?

                      Because they're the Browns.  The Browns were always a solid team (sprinkle in a sporadic bad season).

                      After they took off on us we got a new franchise (don't even start Gipper) that should've been called the Impostors.

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                        Asking why Pitt is a contender every year must be getting old.

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                        @gorka said:

                        Asking why Pitt is a contender every year must be getting old.

                        Well, how many playoff games have the Steelers won in the last 10 years? I'm not sure 8-8 qualifies as "good." We'll see how "good" Pitt is after Ben is gone. 

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                          Why is Balt. good every year?

                          Because they're the Browns.  The Browns were always a solid team (sprinkle in a sporadic bad season).

                          After they took off on us we got a new franchise (don't even start Gipper) that should've been called the Impostors.

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                          @orion said:

                          Why is Balt. good every year?

                          Because they're the Browns.  The Browns were always a solid team (sprinkle in a sporadic bad season).

                          After they took off on us we got a new franchise (don't even start Gipper) that should've been called the Impostors.

                          Oh man, that was the 3rd Beetlejuice... 

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                            @orion said:

                            Why is Balt. good every year?

                            Because they're the Browns.  The Browns were always a solid team (sprinkle in a sporadic bad season).

                            After they took off on us we got a new franchise (don't even start Gipper) that should've been called the Impostors.

                            Oh man, that was the 3rd Beetlejuice... 

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                            Oh man, that was the 3rd Beetlejuice... 

                            It is just factually false. And you all know it

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                                @gorka said:

                                Asking why Pitt is a contender every year must be getting old.

                                Well, how many playoff games have the Steelers won in the last 10 years? I'm not sure 8-8 qualifies as "good." We'll see how "good" Pitt is after Ben is gone. 

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                                Well, how many playoff games have the Steelers won in the last 10 years? I'm not sure 8-8 qualifies as "good." We'll see how "good" Pitt is after Ben is gone. 

                                Your post only questions why Balt is good and why they are always contenders, not why they have won so many playoff games.

                                But to address your jumping to another point...

                                In the last 10 years Baltimore has appeared in the playoffs 7 times, winning 8 times, losing 6.

                                In the last 10 years Pitt has appeared in the playoffs 6 times, winning 5 times, losing 6.

                                The sad thing is that those two vermin are always contenders while the two situated Ohio exist in a state of perpetual suckdom.

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                                    They think D first.

                                    If you have a really good D, you are in every game.  If you give up 30+ points a game, you can't always keep up with that.  If you give up 17 or under, most teams have a shot.

                                    I know offense is sexy, but D is what wins you games.

                                    Put your effort in to the D.

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                                    ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by ballpeen
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                                    @ballpeen said:

                                    They think D first.

                                    If you have a really good D, you are in every game.  If you give up 30+ points a game, you can't always keep up with that.  If you give up 17 or under, most teams have a shot.

                                    I know offense is sexy, but D is what wins you games.

                                    Put your effort in to the D.

                                    Not surer why one replied with a sad icon?  Balt. has always been D first team.

                                    Build a solid D,  have a good enough O.

                                    That is how I would do it.

                                    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                                      @ballpeen said:

                                      They think D first.

                                      If you have a really good D, you are in every game.  If you give up 30+ points a game, you can't always keep up with that.  If you give up 17 or under, most teams have a shot.

                                      I know offense is sexy, but D is what wins you games.

                                      Put your effort in to the D.

                                      Not surer why one replied with a sad icon?  Balt. has always been D first team.

                                      Build a solid D,  have a good enough O.

                                      That is how I would do it.

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                                      OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                                      @ballpeen said:

                                      Not surer why one replied with a sad icon?  Balt. has always been D first team.

                                      ...changed it to 'confused'.  I'm just not one of those 'Defense Wins Championships' guys.   I firmly believe that defenses don't score enough points to win games.  IMO you have to have a good offense.  And by that I mean a good PASSING offense.  (and the better your running game, the better your passing game can be)  

                                      I'll grant that, in the playoffs, the defense can be the big separator ( CAN BE, but isn't always ), but I don't think you make the playoffs with a bad offense....and if you do, you're usually playoff fodder.  

                                      Now, not that this matters to die-hards, but you ARE a sexier team if you can put up points.  You ARE more entertaining to watch (and will have more prime time games), you'll sell more jerseys  and will be noticed (we know Haslam likes the limelight and sales) if your offense can be on highlight shows.  Heck, it's been hard even for us die-hards to watch our team over the last 20 years!  I mean how many times did ya wish ya raked leaves or painted the shed instead of wasting your Sunday afternoon watching no QB throw to NO receivers with NO running back?

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                                        @icecube said:

                                        Well, how many playoff games have the Steelers won in the last 10 years? I'm not sure 8-8 qualifies as "good." We'll see how "good" Pitt is after Ben is gone. 

                                        Your post only questions why Balt is good and why they are always contenders, not why they have won so many playoff games.

                                        But to address your jumping to another point...

                                        In the last 10 years Baltimore has appeared in the playoffs 7 times, winning 8 times, losing 6.

                                        In the last 10 years Pitt has appeared in the playoffs 6 times, winning 5 times, losing 6.

                                        The sad thing is that those two vermin are always contenders while the two situated Ohio exist in a state of perpetual suckdom.

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                                        @gorka said:

                                        Your post only questions why Balt is good and why they are always contenders, not why they have won so many playoff games.

                                        But to address your jumping to another point...

                                        In the last 10 years Baltimore has appeared in the playoffs 7 times, winning 8 times, losing 6.

                                        In the last 10 years Pitt has appeared in the playoffs 6 times, winning 5 times, losing 6.

                                        The sad thing is that those two vermin are always contenders while the two situated Ohio exist in a state of perpetual suckdom.

                                        I'm surprised the Steelers playoff record was that decent the last decade. 5-6 ain't awesome but it's better than I recall. 

                                        And dude, jumping to another point is what most threads do. 

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                                          @ballpeen said:

                                          Not surer why one replied with a sad icon?  Balt. has always been D first team.

                                          ...changed it to 'confused'.  I'm just not one of those 'Defense Wins Championships' guys.   I firmly believe that defenses don't score enough points to win games.  IMO you have to have a good offense.  And by that I mean a good PASSING offense.  (and the better your running game, the better your passing game can be)  

                                          I'll grant that, in the playoffs, the defense can be the big separator ( CAN BE, but isn't always ), but I don't think you make the playoffs with a bad offense....and if you do, you're usually playoff fodder.  

                                          Now, not that this matters to die-hards, but you ARE a sexier team if you can put up points.  You ARE more entertaining to watch (and will have more prime time games), you'll sell more jerseys  and will be noticed (we know Haslam likes the limelight and sales) if your offense can be on highlight shows.  Heck, it's been hard even for us die-hards to watch our team over the last 20 years!  I mean how many times did ya wish ya raked leaves or painted the shed instead of wasting your Sunday afternoon watching no QB throw to NO receivers with NO running back?

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                                          @orion said:

                                          ...changed it to 'confused'.  I'm just not one of those 'Defense Wins Championships' guys.   I firmly believe that defenses don't score enough points to win games.  IMO you have to have a good offense.  And by that I mean a good PASSING offense.  (and the better your running game, the better your passing game can be)  

                                          I'll grant that, in the playoffs, the defense can be the big separator ( CAN BE, but isn't always ), but I don't think you make the playoffs with a bad offense....and if you do, you're usually playoff fodder.  

                                          Now, not that this matters to die-hards, but you ARE a sexier team if you can put up points.  You ARE more entertaining to watch (and will have more prime time games), you'll sell more jerseys  and will be noticed (we know Haslam likes the limelight and sales) if your offense can be on highlight shows.  Heck, it's been hard even for us die-hards to watch our team over the last 20 years!  I mean how many times did ya wish ya raked leaves or painted the shed instead of wasting your Sunday afternoon watching no QB throw to NO receivers with NO running back?

                                          You are dead on. And obviously, a great D helps the O, and vise versa. If your O can't even make 1st downs, the D will wear out, not maybe, but definitely.  

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