PFF Summer 2020 - All The Links
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Steelers do NOT have the 11th best LB core.
the browns DO have one of the worst though. Mack Wilson sucked last year, I’m extremely worried about the defense
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Steelers do NOT have the 11th best LB core.
the browns DO have one of the worst though. Mack Wilson sucked last year, I’m extremely worried about the defense
Steelers do NOT have the 11th best LB core.
the browns DO have one of the worst though. Mack Wilson sucked last year, I’m extremely worried about the defense
75% of the starting LBs for Pitt are legit probowl contenders: Watt, Bush and Dupree.
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Browns LBs ranked 31st.....mainly because we are relying on all young, unproven players. Wilson, Takitaki and Phillips. I thought they were harsh on Wilson....8th worst in the NFL last year? Did he really perform that badly? I didn't see it as all that bad. But I can't really object to the Browns #31 rating...
And the other thing....a couple of you state how the Steelers LB corps is nowhere near the #11 rank. I agree.....IF they are not including TJ Watt.
I have been of the opinion that TJ Watt should be a part of their LB corps, giving that group a higher ranking. It is the DL.....placed at #1 that I scratch my head at. They seem to be saying that the Steelers start 3 DLs: Watt, Dupree, Heyward.
I would put Watt in at OLB, where in doing so their DL would drop down around or below the Browns DL ranking at #12......but elevate the LB rating.
So...which is it?
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Steelers do NOT have the 11th best LB core.
the browns DO have one of the worst though. Mack Wilson sucked last year, I’m extremely worried about the defense
75% of the starting LBs for Pitt are legit probowl contenders: Watt, Bush and Dupree.
75% of the starting LBs for Pitt are legit probowl contenders: Watt, Bush and Dupree.
But they do not have Watt listed as LB....nor Dupree. They are listed as DLs.
I mean I guess...does it sort of matter? That is why you have this "Edge" position designation.
Maybe we should begin looking at football defensive positioning differently. Instead of DL and LB......maybe we should have people listed as "Edge" or "Interior". What have been DEs and OLBs are Edge....as they seem so very interchangeable. And DTs and MLBs as Interior.
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Yea I thought watt was technically DL? If they include watt then it is more realistic to be at 11 for them
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Here is the Steelers front 7 depth chart....from the Steelers.com website:
Position First Second Third Fourth Fifth DT Cameron Heyward Isaiah Buggs NT Dan McCullers DE Tyson Alualu LOLB T.J. Watt LILB Devin Bush RILB Vince Williams Robert Spillane ROLB Bud Dupree Olasunkanmi Adeniyi Tuzar Skipper -
Here it is from Ourlads:
DT 97 HEYWARD, CAMERON 11/1 96 Buggs, Isaiah 19/6 79 Walker, Cavon SF20 65 Coatney, Josiah CF20 NT 95 Wormley, Chris T/Bal 93 McCullers, Daniel 14/6 99 Mondeaux, Henry SF19 DE 91 Tuitt, Stephon 14/2 94 ALUALU, TYSON U/Jax 73 Davis, Carlos 20/7 67 Taylor Jr., Calvin CF20 LOLB 90 Watt, TJ 17/1 56 Highsmith, Alex 20/3 40 Hendrix, Dewayne SF20 49 Lockhart, James CF20 LILB 55 Bush Jr., Devin 19/1 46 Kuntz, Christian SF19 45 Houston Jr., John CF20 RILB 98 WILLIAMS, VINCE 13/6 54 Gilbert III, Ulysees 19/6 41 Spillane, Robert SF19 42 Lewis, Leo CF20 ROLB 48 Dupree, Bud 15/1 92 Both of these sites above have Dupree and Watt listed as OLBs. PFF has them both on the DL. These have the Steelers with just one DE, one NT and one DT. (they list Heyward as a DT, not a DE???)
51 Skipper, Tuzar P/NYG -
I note this: this PFF had the Ravens DL rated as the worst in the AFCN,.....where the Madden ratings had their DL having like two of the best 3 DL in the division....with Campbell and Williams.
So...who is more trustworthy?
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75% of the starting LBs for Pitt are legit probowl contenders: Watt, Bush and Dupree.
But they do not have Watt listed as LB....nor Dupree. They are listed as DLs.
I mean I guess...does it sort of matter? That is why you have this "Edge" position designation.
Maybe we should begin looking at football defensive positioning differently. Instead of DL and LB......maybe we should have people listed as "Edge" or "Interior". What have been DEs and OLBs are Edge....as they seem so very interchangeable. And DTs and MLBs as Interior.
But they do not have Watt listed as LB....nor Dupree. They are listed as DLs.
I mean I guess...does it sort of matter? That is why you have this "Edge" position designation.
Maybe we should begin looking at football defensive positioning differently. Instead of DL and LB......maybe we should have people listed as "Edge" or "Interior". What have been DEs and OLBs are Edge....as they seem so very interchangeable. And DTs and MLBs as Interior.
They've done something weird this year. Watt and Dupree were clearly OLBs, listed as such when drafted and have always been listed as such on rosters. They are the very definition of 3-4 OLBs. But now some 3-4 DEs are being listed as DTs. Huh? What in the F changed?
Pitt has 4 starting LBs: Watt, Bush, Williams and Dupree.
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But they do not have Watt listed as LB....nor Dupree. They are listed as DLs.
I mean I guess...does it sort of matter? That is why you have this "Edge" position designation.
Maybe we should begin looking at football defensive positioning differently. Instead of DL and LB......maybe we should have people listed as "Edge" or "Interior". What have been DEs and OLBs are Edge....as they seem so very interchangeable. And DTs and MLBs as Interior.
They've done something weird this year. Watt and Dupree were clearly OLBs, listed as such when drafted and have always been listed as such on rosters. They are the very definition of 3-4 OLBs. But now some 3-4 DEs are being listed as DTs. Huh? What in the F changed?
Pitt has 4 starting LBs: Watt, Bush, Williams and Dupree.
They've done something weird this year. Watt and Dupree were clearly OLBs, listed as such when drafted and have always been listed as such on rosters. They are the very definition of 3-4 OLBs. But now some 3-4 DEs are being listed as DTs. Huh? What in the F changed?
Pitt has 4 starting LBs: Watt, Bush, Williams and Dupree.
Yea, I just posted that. So why then does PFF list Watt and Dupree as DL.
And why is Heyward listed as playing on the exterior, but then designated a DT? Is he like Reggie White/JJ Watt....who plays all over the defensive front?
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They've done something weird this year. Watt and Dupree were clearly OLBs, listed as such when drafted and have always been listed as such on rosters. They are the very definition of 3-4 OLBs. But now some 3-4 DEs are being listed as DTs. Huh? What in the F changed?
Pitt has 4 starting LBs: Watt, Bush, Williams and Dupree.
Yea, I just posted that. So why then does PFF list Watt and Dupree as DL.
And why is Heyward listed as playing on the exterior, but then designated a DT? Is he like Reggie White/JJ Watt....who plays all over the defensive front?
Yea, I just posted that. So why then does PFF list Watt and Dupree as DL.
And why is Heyward listed as playing on the exterior, but then designated a DT? Is he like Reggie White/JJ Watt....who plays all over the defensive front?
Gip, I honestly don't know why the inconsistencies. I've asked around and no one has an answer. Obviously, a 3-4 system uses 3 down lineman, and 4 LBs, where oftentimes the OLBs rush the QB, but clearly not all the time. The DEs are clearly at the end of the DL, so why is Heyward now considered a DT? Until someone can offer a legit explanation, the Steelers play 4 LBs and have 3 DLmen and Heyward is a 3-4 DE.
Now, the Browns clearly play a 4-3, with 4 DL and 3 LBs. There is no confusion there.
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They seem to imply that the addition of BJ Goodson adds nothing at all to the quality of our LB corps. He IS listed as backup MLB. Is he really Just a guy as they seem to infer?
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Steelers do NOT have the 11th best LB core.
the browns DO have one of the worst though. Mack Wilson sucked last year, I’m extremely worried about the defense
Steelers do NOT have the 11th best LB core.
the browns DO have one of the worst though. Mack Wilson sucked last year, I’m extremely worried about the defense
I am not encouraged, but it depends on the Woods scheme. If it is schemed well, I think we can do OK. Word is we go with 2 backers more often than not and stack another safety in the box. I also think Billings is going be big on the DL. He required a few bodies on him, as does Richardson in the run game. That will help keep the backers clean.
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They seem to imply that the addition of BJ Goodson adds nothing at all to the quality of our LB corps. He IS listed as backup MLB. Is he really Just a guy as they seem to infer?
They seem to imply that the addition of BJ Goodson adds nothing at all to the quality of our LB corps. He IS listed as backup MLB. Is he really Just a guy as they seem to infer?
Honestly, having watched the Giants almost as much as the Browns- He's pretty unremarkable- unless he went to Green Bay and the light suddenly went on.
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Steelers do NOT have the 11th best LB core.
the browns DO have one of the worst though. Mack Wilson sucked last year, I’m extremely worried about the defense
I am not encouraged, but it depends on the Woods scheme. If it is schemed well, I think we can do OK. Word is we go with 2 backers more often than not and stack another safety in the box. I also think Billings is going be big on the DL. He required a few bodies on him, as does Richardson in the run game. That will help keep the backers clean.
I am not encouraged, but it depends on the Woods scheme. If it is schemed well, I think we can do OK. Word is we go with 2 backers more often than not and stack another safety in the box. I also think Billings is going be big on the DL. He required a few bodies on him, as does Richardson in the run game. That will help keep the backers clean.
The backers being clean may not become the issue. Just watch the deficiencies in the previous Cincy defenses. Respectable dline and secondary play, horrendous linebacking unit.
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somewhat early for in-depth analysis...Berry & our pencil neck geek squad, see's teams with 12 Linebacker's on their 90 mans..Those that will keep maybe 8 Lb'ers total?.. am not sweating our core of linebackers!! YET ?... but I'd look at trading NoJoke for 2 on the Jets roster todaY! they both played well while CJ Mosley was out
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Do we have this same info from PFF on like the Defensive Backfield? WR/TE corps? OL? RBs QBs? Or, is that to come?
Don't know if you have to be a PFF subscriber to get this. I am not.
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I'll keep the links updated in the OP and change the thread topic as new ones are posted. I noticed this on Monday, although the team analyses may have started before then. Looks like these 3 are the ones they've done so far and [I'm guessing] they'll keep going until all are finished.
I'm not a PFF subscriber.. is anyone on here?
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Browns #6....perhaps higher than I expected given we will have a rookie LT and a question at RG.
Ravens #5?.....overrated in my mind....in that they lost their best OL with the retirement of Yanda
Steelers #9....they do have some good ones, but also some question marks.
Bengals #31....if accurate....there will be a major reason Burrow does not do so well as a rookie.
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Analysis including PFF grades for all Wyatt Teller games last season with Cleveland. I'd never seen this site before - a good compilation.
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