Why is Balt. good every year?
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Not surer why one replied with a sad icon? Balt. has always been D first team.
...changed it to 'confused'. I'm just not one of those 'Defense Wins Championships' guys. I firmly believe that defenses don't score enough points to win games. IMO you have to have a good offense. And by that I mean a good PASSING offense. (and the better your running game, the better your passing game can be)
I'll grant that, in the playoffs, the defense can be the big separator ( CAN BE, but isn't always ), but I don't think you make the playoffs with a bad offense....and if you do, you're usually playoff fodder.
Now, not that this matters to die-hards, but you ARE a sexier team if you can put up points. You ARE more entertaining to watch (and will have more prime time games), you'll sell more jerseys and will be noticed (we know Haslam likes the limelight and sales) if your offense can be on highlight shows. Heck, it's been hard even for us die-hards to watch our team over the last 20 years! I mean how many times did ya wish ya raked leaves or painted the shed instead of wasting your Sunday afternoon watching no QB throw to NO receivers with NO running back?
...changed it to 'confused'. I'm just not one of those 'Defense Wins Championships' guys. I firmly believe that defenses don't score enough points to win games. IMO you have to have a good offense. And by that I mean a good PASSING offense. (and the better your running game, the better your passing game can be)
I'll grant that, in the playoffs, the defense can be the big separator ( CAN BE, but isn't always ), but I don't think you make the playoffs with a bad offense....and if you do, you're usually playoff fodder.
Now, not that this matters to die-hards, but you ARE a sexier team if you can put up points. You ARE more entertaining to watch (and will have more prime time games), you'll sell more jerseys and will be noticed (we know Haslam likes the limelight and sales) if your offense can be on highlight shows. Heck, it's been hard even for us die-hards to watch our team over the last 20 years! I mean how many times did ya wish ya raked leaves or painted the shed instead of wasting your Sunday afternoon watching no QB throw to NO receivers with NO running back?
You are dead on. And obviously, a great D helps the O, and vise versa. If your O can't even make 1st downs, the D will wear out, not maybe, but definitely.
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They think D first.
If you have a really good D, you are in every game. If you give up 30+ points a game, you can't always keep up with that. If you give up 17 or under, most teams have a shot.
I know offense is sexy, but D is what wins you games.
Put your effort in to the D.
Not surer why one replied with a sad icon? Balt. has always been D first team.
Build a solid D, have a good enough O.
That is how I would do it.
Not surer why one replied with a sad icon? Balt. has always been D first team.
Build a solid D, have a good enough O.
That is how I would do it.
So much for the "D and running game matter less" theory. Balt. proves you can win with D and rushing. But you still need some passing threat, regardless.
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Your post only questions why Balt is good and why they are always contenders, not why they have won so many playoff games.
But to address your jumping to another point...
In the last 10 years Baltimore has appeared in the playoffs 7 times, winning 8 times, losing 6.
In the last 10 years Pitt has appeared in the playoffs 6 times, winning 5 times, losing 6.
The sad thing is that those two vermin are always contenders while the two situated Ohio exist in a state of perpetual suckdom.
I'm surprised the Steelers playoff record was that decent the last decade. 5-6 ain't awesome but it's better than I recall.
And dude, jumping to another point is what most threads do.
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Baltimore is good because they are the Browns in purple.
What we have in Cleveland is some sort of aberration.
aberration is deviation from truth, divergence from the straight, correct, proper, normal, or from the natural state
The natural state of the Browns was before they moved.
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Of course they do. And in your case jumping to another point avoids having to agree with me.
Like Baltimore the last 10yrs, Pitt has also has been good. Agree?
Of course Pitt has also been good too. I admitted I was surprised they were 5-6 in the playoff the last 10 years. And, once again, their D looks really good.
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Of course they do. And in your case jumping to another point avoids having to agree with me.
Like Baltimore the last 10yrs, Pitt has also has been good. Agree?
Of course Pitt has also been good too. I admitted I was surprised they were 5-6 in the playoff the last 10 years. And, once again, their D looks really good.
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Thanks. I didn't really expect that reply, but then again you aren't Gipper lol!
Where did I say that Pittsburgh didn't have a good defense? I only ever said that Vagitron often overrates unproven players on the Steelers. And I said that only by the grace of a decent defense was that team able to make it to 8-8 last year.
Or, if we were to do a unit by unit comparison with the Browns I said that think the 2 DLs would be about even. The Steelers LB corps would far out rank the Browns, and that the Browns DB corps, overall is likely superior to Pittsburghs.
So...I guess if "you aren't Gipper" it means you have not taken the effort or time to try to do any kind of decent analysis of the talents on the two teams.
So...here is YOUR opportunity to do so.
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Well, how many playoff games have the Steelers won in the last 10 years? I'm not sure 8-8 qualifies as "good." We'll see how "good" Pitt is after Ben is gone.
Your post only questions why Balt is good and why they are always contenders, not why they have won so many playoff games.
But to address your jumping to another point...
In the last 10 years Baltimore has appeared in the playoffs 7 times, winning 8 times, losing 6.
In the last 10 years Pitt has appeared in the playoffs 6 times, winning 5 times, losing 6.
The sad thing is that those two vermin are always contenders while the two situated Ohio exist in a state of perpetual suckdom.
Your post only questions why Balt is good and why they are always contenders, not why they have won so many playoff games.
But to address your jumping to another point...
In the last 10 years Baltimore has appeared in the playoffs 7 times, winning 8 times, losing 6.
In the last 10 years Pitt has appeared in the playoffs 6 times, winning 5 times, losing 6.
The sad thing is that those two vermin are always contenders while the two situated Ohio exist in a state of perpetual suckdom.
Well both of those teams start 3-1 or 4-0 almost every year with the Browns and Bungles in the division
Same with the Patriots with the Jets and Miami
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Your post only questions why Balt is good and why they are always contenders, not why they have won so many playoff games.
But to address your jumping to another point...
In the last 10 years Baltimore has appeared in the playoffs 7 times, winning 8 times, losing 6.
In the last 10 years Pitt has appeared in the playoffs 6 times, winning 5 times, losing 6.
The sad thing is that those two vermin are always contenders while the two situated Ohio exist in a state of perpetual suckdom.
Well both of those teams start 3-1 or 4-0 almost every year with the Browns and Bungles in the division
Same with the Patriots with the Jets and Miami
Well both of those teams start 3-1 or 4-0 almost every year with the Browns and Bungles in the division
Same with the Patriots with the Jets and Miami
The Pats had even more of an advantage. They were the sole contenders in that division for what seemed like decades. You forgot to include the Bills who until the last couple of years became pretty good. Six easy wins year in and year out for the Pats.
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Thanks. I didn't really expect that reply, but then again you aren't Gipper lol!
Where did I say that Pittsburgh didn't have a good defense? I only ever said that Vagitron often overrates unproven players on the Steelers. And I said that only by the grace of a decent defense was that team able to make it to 8-8 last year.
Or, if we were to do a unit by unit comparison with the Browns I said that think the 2 DLs would be about even. The Steelers LB corps would far out rank the Browns, and that the Browns DB corps, overall is likely superior to Pittsburghs.
So...I guess if "you aren't Gipper" it means you have not taken the effort or time to try to do any kind of decent analysis of the talents on the two teams.
So...here is YOUR opportunity to do so.
Where did I say that Pittsburgh didn't have a good defense? I only ever said that Vagitron often overrates unproven players on the Steelers. And I said that only by the grace of a decent defense was that team able to make it to 8-8 last year.
Or, if we were to do a unit by unit comparison with the Browns I said that think the 2 DLs would be about even. The Steelers LB corps would far out rank the Browns, and that the Browns DB corps, overall is likely superior to Pittsburghs.
So...I guess if "you aren't Gipper" it means you have not taken the effort or time to try to do any kind of decent analysis of the talents on the two teams.
So...here is YOUR opportunity to do so.
Whoa! Hold your horses. I have not read anything you posted on this thread let alone have an issue with it.
That comment was meant only let Ice know I appreciate him conceding an argument and agreeing. Something that's harder for you to do than a Hindu eating a hamburger.
Nevertheless, since you went through the trouble, I went ahead and read the above . I agree with the first two paragraphs.
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Well both of those teams start 3-1 or 4-0 almost every year with the Browns and Bungles in the division
Same with the Patriots with the Jets and Miami
The Pats had even more of an advantage. They were the sole contenders in that division for what seemed like decades. You forgot to include the Bills who until the last couple of years became pretty good. Six easy wins year in and year out for the Pats.
The Pats had even more of an advantage. They were the sole contenders in that division for what seemed like decades. You forgot to include the Bills who until the last couple of years became pretty good. Six easy wins year in and year out for the Pats.
So true, but they made 9 SBs and won 6...they had to beat teams (the best) outside their div. to do that.
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The Pats had even more of an advantage. They were the sole contenders in that division for what seemed like decades. You forgot to include the Bills who until the last couple of years became pretty good. Six easy wins year in and year out for the Pats.
So true, but they made 9 SBs and won 6...they had to beat teams (the best) outside their div. to do that.
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Where did I say that Pittsburgh didn't have a good defense? I only ever said that Vagitron often overrates unproven players on the Steelers. And I said that only by the grace of a decent defense was that team able to make it to 8-8 last year.
Or, if we were to do a unit by unit comparison with the Browns I said that think the 2 DLs would be about even. The Steelers LB corps would far out rank the Browns, and that the Browns DB corps, overall is likely superior to Pittsburghs.
So...I guess if "you aren't Gipper" it means you have not taken the effort or time to try to do any kind of decent analysis of the talents on the two teams.
So...here is YOUR opportunity to do so.
Whoa! Hold your horses. I have not read anything you posted on this thread let alone have an issue with it.
That comment was meant only let Ice know I appreciate him conceding an argument and agreeing. Something that's harder for you to do than a Hindu eating a hamburger.
Nevertheless, since you went through the trouble, I went ahead and read the above . I agree with the first two paragraphs.
Whoa! Hold your horses. I have not read anything you posted on this thread let alone have an issue with it.
That comment was meant only let Ice know I appreciate him conceding an argument and agreeing. Something that's harder for you to do than a Hindu eating a hamburger.
I have conceded many points....you have just not paid attention to those apparently. But when I am right, I am right, and I stick to my guns.
Nevertheless, since you went through the trouble, I went ahead and read the above . I agree with the first two paragraphs.
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Where did I say that Pittsburgh didn't have a good defense? I only ever said that Vagitron often overrates unproven players on the Steelers. And I said that only by the grace of a decent defense was that team able to make it to 8-8 last year.
Or, if we were to do a unit by unit comparison with the Browns I said that think the 2 DLs would be about even. The Steelers LB corps would far out rank the Browns, and that the Browns DB corps, overall is likely superior to Pittsburghs.
So...I guess if "you aren't Gipper" it means you have not taken the effort or time to try to do any kind of decent analysis of the talents on the two teams.
So...here is YOUR opportunity to do so.
Whoa! Hold your horses. I have not read anything you posted on this thread let alone have an issue with it.
That comment was meant only let Ice know I appreciate him conceding an argument and agreeing. Something that's harder for you to do than a Hindu eating a hamburger.
Nevertheless, since you went through the trouble, I went ahead and read the above . I agree with the first two paragraphs.
Whoa! Hold your horses. I have not read anything you posted on this thread let alone have an issue with it.
That comment was meant only let Ice know I appreciate him conceding an argument and agreeing. Something that's harder for you to do than a Hindu eating a hamburger.
Nevertheless, since you went through the trouble, I went ahead and read the above . I agree with the first two paragraphs.
To be honest, I never thought I was even in an argument. I kept hearing about Pitt only winning one playoff game in X years and when you said they were 5-6 I said I was surprised to hear they were even that decent, that's all.
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Whoa! Hold your horses. I have not read anything you posted on this thread let alone have an issue with it.
That comment was meant only let Ice know I appreciate him conceding an argument and agreeing. Something that's harder for you to do than a Hindu eating a hamburger.
Nevertheless, since you went through the trouble, I went ahead and read the above . I agree with the first two paragraphs.
To be honest, I never thought I was even in an argument. I kept hearing about Pitt only winning one playoff game in X years and when you said they were 5-6 I said I was surprised to hear they were even that decent, that's all.
To be honest, I never thought I was even in an argument. I kept hearing about Pitt only winning one playoff game in X years and when you said they were 5-6 I said I was surprised to hear they were even that decent, that's all.
2017 Playoffs Division Sun January 14, 2018 boxscore L Jacksonville Jaguars 42 45 28 545 462 83 2 22 378 214 164 2016 Playoffs WildCard Sun January 8, 2017 boxscore W Miami Dolphins 30 12 19 367 188 179 2 18 305 253 52 3 Division Sun January 15, 2017 boxscore W @ Kansas City Chiefs 18 16 20 389 218 171 1 16 227 166 61 2 ConfChamp Sun January 22, 2017 boxscore L @ New England Patriots 17 36 22 368 314 54 2 26 431 374 57 2015 Playoffs WildCard Sat January 9, 2016 boxscore W @ Cincinnati Bengals 18 16 21 369 202 167 2 19 279 188 91 4 Division Sun January 17, 2016 boxscore L @ Denver Broncos 16 23 16 396 311 85 1 19 324 215 109 2014 Playoffs WildCard Sat January 3, 2015 boxscore L Baltimore Ravens 17 30 22 387 319 68 3 19 299 246 53 1 2011 Playoffs WildCard Sun January 8, 2012 boxscore L OT @ Denver Broncos 23 29 21 400 244 156 1 18 447 316 131 1 2010 Playoffs Division Sat January 15, 2011 boxscore W Baltimore Ravens 31 24 21 263 192 71 2 ConfChamp Sun January 23, 2011 boxscore W New York Jets 24 19 23 287 121 166 2 17 289 219 70 1 SuperBowl Sun February 6, 2011 boxscore L N Green Bay Packers 25 31 19 387 261 126 3 15 338 288 50 So...since 2010...that last SB appearance....they are 3-5 in the postseason
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To be honest, I never thought I was even in an argument. I kept hearing about Pitt only winning one playoff game in X years and when you said they were 5-6 I said I was surprised to hear they were even that decent, that's all.
2017 Playoffs Division Sun January 14, 2018 boxscore L Jacksonville Jaguars 42 45 28 545 462 83 2 22 378 214 164 2016 Playoffs WildCard Sun January 8, 2017 boxscore W Miami Dolphins 30 12 19 367 188 179 2 18 305 253 52 3 Division Sun January 15, 2017 boxscore W @ Kansas City Chiefs 18 16 20 389 218 171 1 16 227 166 61 2 ConfChamp Sun January 22, 2017 boxscore L @ New England Patriots 17 36 22 368 314 54 2 26 431 374 57 2015 Playoffs WildCard Sat January 9, 2016 boxscore W @ Cincinnati Bengals 18 16 21 369 202 167 2 19 279 188 91 4 Division Sun January 17, 2016 boxscore L @ Denver Broncos 16 23 16 396 311 85 1 19 324 215 109 2014 Playoffs WildCard Sat January 3, 2015 boxscore L Baltimore Ravens 17 30 22 387 319 68 3 19 299 246 53 1 2011 Playoffs WildCard Sun January 8, 2012 boxscore L OT @ Denver Broncos 23 29 21 400 244 156 1 18 447 316 131 1 2010 Playoffs Division Sat January 15, 2011 boxscore W Baltimore Ravens 31 24 21 263 192 71 2 ConfChamp Sun January 23, 2011 boxscore W New York Jets 24 19 23 287 121 166 2 17 289 219 70 1 SuperBowl Sun February 6, 2011 boxscore L N Green Bay Packers 25 31 19 387 261 126 3 15 338 288 50 So...since 2010...that last SB appearance....they are 3-5 in the postseason
2017 Playoffs Division Sun January 14, 2018 boxscore L Jacksonville Jaguars 42 45 28 545 462 83 2 22 378 214 164 2016 Playoffs WildCard Sun January 8, 2017 boxscore W Miami Dolphins 30 12 19 367 188 179 2 18 305 253 52 3 Division Sun January 15, 2017 boxscore W @ Kansas City Chiefs 18 16 20 389 218 171 1 16 227 166 61 2 ConfChamp Sun January 22, 2017 boxscore L @ New England Patriots 17 36 22 368 314 54 2 26 431 374 57 2015 Playoffs WildCard Sat January 9, 2016 boxscore W @ Cincinnati Bengals 18 16 21 369 202 167 2 19 279 188 91 4 Division Sun January 17, 2016 boxscore L @ Denver Broncos 16 23 16 396 311 85 1 19 324 215 109 2014 Playoffs WildCard Sat January 3, 2015 boxscore L Baltimore Ravens 17 30 22 387 319 68 3 19 299 246 53 1 2011 Playoffs WildCard Sun January 8, 2012 boxscore L OT @ Denver Broncos 23 29 21 400 244 156 1 18 447 316 131 1 2010 Playoffs Division Sat January 15, 2011 boxscore W Baltimore Ravens 31 24 21 263 192 71 2 ConfChamp Sun January 23, 2011 boxscore W New York Jets 24 19 23 287 121 166 2 17 289 219 70 1 SuperBowl Sun February 6, 2011 boxscore L N Green Bay Packers 25 31 19 387 261 126 3 15 338 288 50 So...since 2010...that last SB appearance....they are 3-5 in the postseason
So not 5-6. And 2010 almost doesn't count.
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2017 Playoffs Division Sun January 14, 2018 boxscore L Jacksonville Jaguars 42 45 28 545 462 83 2 22 378 214 164 2016 Playoffs WildCard Sun January 8, 2017 boxscore W Miami Dolphins 30 12 19 367 188 179 2 18 305 253 52 3 Division Sun January 15, 2017 boxscore W @ Kansas City Chiefs 18 16 20 389 218 171 1 16 227 166 61 2 ConfChamp Sun January 22, 2017 boxscore L @ New England Patriots 17 36 22 368 314 54 2 26 431 374 57 2015 Playoffs WildCard Sat January 9, 2016 boxscore W @ Cincinnati Bengals 18 16 21 369 202 167 2 19 279 188 91 4 Division Sun January 17, 2016 boxscore L @ Denver Broncos 16 23 16 396 311 85 1 19 324 215 109 2014 Playoffs WildCard Sat January 3, 2015 boxscore L Baltimore Ravens 17 30 22 387 319 68 3 19 299 246 53 1 2011 Playoffs WildCard Sun January 8, 2012 boxscore L OT @ Denver Broncos 23 29 21 400 244 156 1 18 447 316 131 1 2010 Playoffs Division Sat January 15, 2011 boxscore W Baltimore Ravens 31 24 21 263 192 71 2 ConfChamp Sun January 23, 2011 boxscore W New York Jets 24 19 23 287 121 166 2 17 289 219 70 1 SuperBowl Sun February 6, 2011 boxscore L N Green Bay Packers 25 31 19 387 261 126 3 15 338 288 50 So...since 2010...that last SB appearance....they are 3-5 in the postseason
So not 5-6. And 2010 almost doesn't count.
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John Harbaugh is at the top of the list of reasons.
Next to maybe, but not at...
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GM in Oz's case stood for "Great Manager". The guy built an FO that might only be 2nd to the Pats'. That said BLT's is deeper and therefore more sustainable.
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Well.....5-6 if you include 2010.
I think including 2010 skews the accuracy of what Pitt has been with Tomlin/Colbert. 2010 still had Cowher influence and personnel. I think that was their last run with players like Polamalu and DC Lebeau. The modern era seemed to begin after 2010. Don't get me wrong: Cleveland would trade places with Pitt's results since 2010.
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