Why is Balt. good every year?
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Well.....5-6 if you include 2010.
I think including 2010 skews the accuracy of what Pitt has been with Tomlin/Colbert. 2010 still had Cowher influence and personnel. I think that was their last run with players like Polamalu and DC Lebeau. The modern era seemed to begin after 2010. Don't get me wrong: Cleveland would trade places with Pitt's results since 2010.
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John Harbaugh is at the top of the list of reasons.
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Because Ozzie paved the way..
BINGO! Can't believe it took until the 10th or so post.
GM in Oz's case stood for "Great Manager". The guy built an FO that might only be 2nd to the Pats'. That said BLT's is deeper and therefore more sustainable.
Next to maybe, but not at...
Welcome back...
BINGO! Can't believe it took until the 10th or so post.
GM in Oz's case stood for "Great Manager". The guy built an FO that might only be 2nd to the Pats'. That said BLT's is deeper and therefore more sustainable.
Who do you think I was talking about when I said "good management/talent evaluation" in the 3rd post. I guess I had to spell out his name.
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Well.....5-6 if you include 2010.
I think including 2010 skews the accuracy of what Pitt has been with Tomlin/Colbert. 2010 still had Cowher influence and personnel. I think that was their last run with players like Polamalu and DC Lebeau. The modern era seemed to begin after 2010. Don't get me wrong: Cleveland would trade places with Pitt's results since 2010.
I think including 2010 skews the accuracy of what Pitt has been with Tomlin/Colbert. 2010 still had Cowher influence and personnel. I think that was their last run with players like Polamalu and DC Lebeau. The modern era seemed to begin after 2010. Don't get me wrong: Cleveland would trade places with Pitt's results since 2010.
Tomlin was HC in both 2008 when they won and 2010 when they lost. But I do think LeBeau was a primary factor from their 2005-2010 run.
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John Harbaugh is at the top of the list of reasons.
Next to maybe, but not at...
Welcome back...
Because Ozzie paved the way..
BINGO! Can't believe it took until the 10th or so post.
GM in Oz's case stood for "Great Manager". The guy built an FO that might only be 2nd to the Pats'. That said BLT's is deeper and therefore more sustainable.
Next to maybe, but not at...
Welcome back...
BINGO! Can't believe it took until the 10th or so post.
GM in Oz's case stood for "Great Manager". The guy built an FO that might only be 2nd to the Pats'. That said BLT's is deeper and therefore more sustainable.
Oz was a really good personnel guy. But the Ravens continue to crush it in drafts since he has been gone. 2020 draft was just insane by a team who just went 14-2. In my life, I've never seen a team draft that well after that good of a season. Queen, Dobbins, Madubuike, Duvernay? And they even nabbed good talent after those 4 dudes. They replenished both lines AND just happen to have added Campbell, one of the best Dlman in the NFL. Dear God.
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I think including 2010 skews the accuracy of what Pitt has been with Tomlin/Colbert. 2010 still had Cowher influence and personnel. I think that was their last run with players like Polamalu and DC Lebeau. The modern era seemed to begin after 2010. Don't get me wrong: Cleveland would trade places with Pitt's results since 2010.
Tomlin was HC in both 2008 when they won and 2010 when they lost. But I do think LeBeau was a primary factor from their 2005-2010 run.
Tomlin was HC in both 2008 when they won and 2010 when they lost. But I do think LeBeau was a primary factor from their 2005-2010 run.
Not just Lebeau himself, but what about those players? Aaron Smith, Hampton. Keisel, Woodley, Farrior, Harrison, Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark, Polamalu? They are pretty good again on D, but that group was epic. They were in 3 SBs in 6 years. That's not a Patriot-level run, but that ain't shabby. I fear the Ravens might be on a similar run now. The Browns are going to have to earn a playoff run in a serious way. And for all we know, the Bengals could be beginning their own run by 2021 if Burrow is the real deal. The AFCN could be the most bad a$$ division in all of the NFL all of a sudden. (I'd give that title to the NFCW for now - 9ers, Seattle, AZ, Rams).
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Tomlin was HC in both 2008 when they won and 2010 when they lost. But I do think LeBeau was a primary factor from their 2005-2010 run.
Not just Lebeau himself, but what about those players? Aaron Smith, Hampton. Keisel, Woodley, Farrior, Harrison, Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark, Polamalu? They are pretty good again on D, but that group was epic. They were in 3 SBs in 6 years. That's not a Patriot-level run, but that ain't shabby. I fear the Ravens might be on a similar run now. The Browns are going to have to earn a playoff run in a serious way. And for all we know, the Bengals could be beginning their own run by 2021 if Burrow is the real deal. The AFCN could be the most bad a$$ division in all of the NFL all of a sudden. (I'd give that title to the NFCW for now - 9ers, Seattle, AZ, Rams).
Not just Lebeau himself, but what about those players? Aaron Smith, Hampton. Keisel, Woodley, Farrior, Harrison, Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark, Polamalu? They are pretty good again on D, but that group was epic. They were in 3 SBs in 6 years. That's not a Patriot-level run, but that ain't shabby. I fear the Ravens might be on a similar run now. The Browns are going to have to earn a playoff run in a serious way. And for all we know, the Bengals could be beginning their own run by 2021 if Burrow is the real deal. The AFCN could be the most bad a$$ division in all of the NFL all of a sudden. (I'd give that title to the NFCW for now - 9ers, Seattle, AZ, Rams).
I personally think it was LeBeau who make the players, not otherwise. Some of those guys went elsewhere and did diddley.
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Not just Lebeau himself, but what about those players? Aaron Smith, Hampton. Keisel, Woodley, Farrior, Harrison, Ike Taylor, Ryan Clark, Polamalu? They are pretty good again on D, but that group was epic. They were in 3 SBs in 6 years. That's not a Patriot-level run, but that ain't shabby. I fear the Ravens might be on a similar run now. The Browns are going to have to earn a playoff run in a serious way. And for all we know, the Bengals could be beginning their own run by 2021 if Burrow is the real deal. The AFCN could be the most bad a$$ division in all of the NFL all of a sudden. (I'd give that title to the NFCW for now - 9ers, Seattle, AZ, Rams).
I personally think it was LeBeau who make the players, not otherwise. Some of those guys went elsewhere and did diddley.
I personally think it was LeBeau who make the players, not otherwise. Some of those guys went elsewhere and did diddley.
Went elsewhere and did diddley? Well, they were mostly old, most retired. Woodley went on to be overweight in Oakland, but he sucked before he left. Polamalu, Hampton, Farrior, Aaron Smith, Ike Taylor, etc. all hung them up soon after 2010. Lebeau went on to TN with so so results there. He was like 80 years old himself.
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Of course they do. And in your case jumping to another point avoids having to agree with me.
Like Baltimore the last 10yrs, Pitt has also has been good. Agree?
tomlin should have got coach of the yr last season with those qb's he had....i think, if there is a season and if rottenburger is 100 percent, they will win the afc north...believe me they will figure out jackson...big time....
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Of course they do. And in your case jumping to another point avoids having to agree with me.
Like Baltimore the last 10yrs, Pitt has also has been good. Agree?
tomlin should have got coach of the yr last season with those qb's he had....i think, if there is a season and if rottenburger is 100 percent, they will win the afc north...believe me they will figure out jackson...big time....
tomlin should have got coach of the yr last season with those qb's he had....i think, if there is a season and if rottenburger is 100 percent, they will win the afc north...believe me they will figure out jackson...big time....
The Browns will roll.
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Of course they do. And in your case jumping to another point avoids having to agree with me.
Like Baltimore the last 10yrs, Pitt has also has been good. Agree?
tomlin should have got coach of the yr last season with those qb's he had....i think, if there is a season and if rottenburger is 100 percent, they will win the afc north...believe me they will figure out jackson...big time....
tomlin should have got coach of the yr last season with those qb's he had....i think, if there is a season and if rottenburger is 100 percent, they will win the afc north...believe me they will figure out jackson...big time....
Ugh...don't say shit like that.lol
I know, you're trying to keep it real which is good. I'm the same way no matter how much I hate that team...or the Rats.
btw...I think more teams will figure out Jackson.
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Next to maybe, but not at...
Welcome back...
BINGO! Can't believe it took until the 10th or so post.
GM in Oz's case stood for "Great Manager". The guy built an FO that might only be 2nd to the Pats'. That said BLT's is deeper and therefore more sustainable.
Oz was a really good personnel guy. But the Ravens continue to crush it in drafts since he has been gone. 2020 draft was just insane by a team who just went 14-2. In my life, I've never seen a team draft that well after that good of a season. Queen, Dobbins, Madubuike, Duvernay? And they even nabbed good talent after those 4 dudes. They replenished both lines AND just happen to have added Campbell, one of the best Dlman in the NFL. Dear God.
The Baltimore Ravens have never
Oz was a really good personnel guy. But the Ravens continue to crush it in drafts since he has been gone. 2020 draft was just insane by a team who just went 14-2. In my life, I've never seen a team draft that well after that good of a season. Queen, Dobbins, Madubuike, Duvernay? And they even nabbed good talent after those 4 dudes. They replenished both lines AND just happen to have added Campbell, one of the best Dlman in the NFL. Dear God.
I hear you, but OTOH, when you are 14-2 and have a young dominant franchise quarterback your draft by definition is not a desperate, pressure-packed can't miss affair that leads job-insecure GMs into wild pinata-swinging misadventures, like a 28-yo rookie QB in the 1st round, an extremely average RB w/ #3 overall, a 1st round immature drunk little boy QB, Barkevious Mingo, Justin Gilbert, a litany of trade-downs from high positions that never yielded squat (Phil Taylor and the examples get worse from there), and all the rest. It's been said a million times - nothing succeeds like success.
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In my life, I've never seen a team draft that well after that good of a season. Queen, Dobbins, Madubuike, Duvernay? And they even nabbed good talent after those 4 dudes. They replenished both lines AND just happen to have added Campbell, one of the best Dlman in the NFL. Dear God.
Let's reserve judgment on these guys until they play. The thing they have going for them assuredly is good coaching....which many of our past failures did not have the benefit of.
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Next to maybe, but not at...
Welcome back...
BINGO! Can't believe it took until the 10th or so post.
GM in Oz's case stood for "Great Manager". The guy built an FO that might only be 2nd to the Pats'. That said BLT's is deeper and therefore more sustainable.
Oz was a really good personnel guy. But the Ravens continue to crush it in drafts since he has been gone. 2020 draft was just insane by a team who just went 14-2. In my life, I've never seen a team draft that well after that good of a season. Queen, Dobbins, Madubuike, Duvernay? And they even nabbed good talent after those 4 dudes. They replenished both lines AND just happen to have added Campbell, one of the best Dlman in the NFL. Dear God.
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Thus my " built an FO that might only be 2nd to the Pats'," comment.
Interestingly enough, NE is not that great at drafting, as one might assume. They can't draft stud WRs to save their lives. Yes, they totally lucked out on drafting the GOAT in the 6th round. But when you look at their drafts, they are not exceptional most years.
They are good at generating a volume of picks, as the bigger the net the better your chances of finding gems (See Jimmy Johnson in Dallas).
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If you think Baltimore was good last year, just wait until you see them THIS year.
It's totally conceivable, and likely, they'll have a worse record but be a better team. Why? Well, first off all they have their scheme down PAT. All of the teams that are introducing new systems this year are going to be totally screwed compared to those who have their style completely developed. Which category do you think WE fit into?
Now, I'm not going to say that we're going to get our asses whipped week 1, but I will say that if you're a betting man, you can safely wager your life savings, home, and college funds on Baltimore winning. I mean, think about Baltimore's offense and how hard it is to stop. Combine that with no preseason, their record last year, OUR opening day record, and you're left with a terrible recipe.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong AF. I would actually pick us to win against just about ANY other team in the world, but Baltimore week 1?REALLY NFL? My biggest hope is that they'll be just as rusty as us. That they'll fumble multiple times while pitching the ball, that Lamar won't be razor sharp, and whatever else. But it doesn't look good, folks. We're going to need some serious mojo to finally bring home a week 1 victory. Lord knows it's time.
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If you think Baltimore was good last year, just wait until you see them THIS year.
It's totally conceivable, and likely, they'll have a worse record but be a better team. Why? Well, first off all they have their scheme down PAT. All of the teams that are introducing new systems this year are going to be totally screwed compared to those who have their style completely developed. Which category do you think WE fit into?
Now, I'm not going to say that we're going to get our asses whipped week 1, but I will say that if you're a betting man, you can safely wager your life savings, home, and college funds on Baltimore winning. I mean, think about Baltimore's offense and how hard it is to stop. Combine that with no preseason, their record last year, OUR opening day record, and you're left with a terrible recipe.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong AF. I would actually pick us to win against just about ANY other team in the world, but Baltimore week 1?REALLY NFL? My biggest hope is that they'll be just as rusty as us. That they'll fumble multiple times while pitching the ball, that Lamar won't be razor sharp, and whatever else. But it doesn't look good, folks. We're going to need some serious mojo to finally bring home a week 1 victory. Lord knows it's time.
If you think Baltimore was good last year, just wait until you see them THIS year.
It's totally conceivable, and likely, they'll have a worse record but be a better team. Why? Well, first off all they have their scheme down PAT. All of the teams that are introducing new systems this year are going to be totally screwed compared to those who have their style completely developed. Which category do you think WE fit into?
...... But it doesn't look good, folks. We're going to need some serious mojo to finally bring home a week 1 victory. Lord knows it's time.
Hey jig how's life down in sunny Florida ?
And yes BAL and the AFCN in general it going to be a tougher road this year......barring any strange 2020 occurrences. Even lowly Cincinnati will not be picking first in Cleveland in 2021.
Might be good to have a 12-4 record to win the division.
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
tomlin should have got coach of the yr last season with those qb's he had....i think, if there is a season and if rottenburger is 100 percent, they will win the afc north...believe me they will figure out jackson...big time....
Ugh...don't say shit like that.lol
I know, you're trying to keep it real which is good. I'm the same way no matter how much I hate that team...or the Rats.
btw...I think more teams will figure out Jackson.
Ugh...don't say shit like that.lol
I know, you're trying to keep it real which is good. I'm the same way no matter how much I hate that team...or the Rats.
btw...I think more teams will figure out Jackson.
The problem is, Jackson doesn't have to be superman, just do enough. It's not like he has to carry the whole team. Their D is stacked, running game brutal. If LJ makes 3 long pass plays, a few runs, they win. If you jail break LJ, he'll hit Brown or Boykin deep. And just wait until they get Duvernay involved. Dear word.
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Of course they do. And in your case jumping to another point avoids having to agree with me.
Like Baltimore the last 10yrs, Pitt has also has been good. Agree?
tomlin should have got coach of the yr last season with those qb's he had....i think, if there is a season and if rottenburger is 100 percent, they will win the afc north...believe me they will figure out jackson...big time....
tomlin should have got coach of the yr last season with those qb's he had....i think, if there is a season and if rottenburger is 100 percent, they will win the afc north...believe me they will figure out jackson...big time....
so says the jealous steeler fan that cant stand the fact the ravens are the team of the future and the steelers are slowly dying
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If you think Baltimore was good last year, just wait until you see them THIS year.
It's totally conceivable, and likely, they'll have a worse record but be a better team. Why? Well, first off all they have their scheme down PAT. All of the teams that are introducing new systems this year are going to be totally screwed compared to those who have their style completely developed. Which category do you think WE fit into?
...... But it doesn't look good, folks. We're going to need some serious mojo to finally bring home a week 1 victory. Lord knows it's time.
Hey jig how's life down in sunny Florida ?
And yes BAL and the AFCN in general it going to be a tougher road this year......barring any strange 2020 occurrences. Even lowly Cincinnati will not be picking first in Cleveland in 2021.
Might be good to have a 12-4 record to win the division.
Hey jig how's life down in sunny Florida ?
And yes BAL and the AFCN in general it going to be a tougher road this year......barring any strange 2020 occurrences. Even lowly Cincinnati will not be picking first in Cleveland in 2021.
Might be good to have a 12-4 record to win the division.
Life is good! Just started a new job and looking forward to HOPEFULLY watching football. Lord, it just feels like our country NEEDS this, ya know? This damn virus has everything so messed up and Florida is getting the worst of it. School is about to start and we all expect that to be a crap show. We need football...we need something to talk about. ?
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If you think Baltimore was good last year, just wait until you see them THIS year.
It's totally conceivable, and likely, they'll have a worse record but be a better team. Why? Well, first off all they have their scheme down PAT. All of the teams that are introducing new systems this year are going to be totally screwed compared to those who have their style completely developed. Which category do you think WE fit into?
...... But it doesn't look good, folks. We're going to need some serious mojo to finally bring home a week 1 victory. Lord knows it's time.
Hey jig how's life down in sunny Florida ?
And yes BAL and the AFCN in general it going to be a tougher road this year......barring any strange 2020 occurrences. Even lowly Cincinnati will not be picking first in Cleveland in 2021.
Might be good to have a 12-4 record to win the division.
Hey jig how's life down in sunny Florida ?
And yes BAL and the AFCN in general it going to be a tougher road this year......barring any strange 2020 occurrences. Even lowly Cincinnati will not be picking first in Cleveland in 2021.
Might be good to have a 12-4 record to win the division.
We all know the NFL season has so many twists and turns, even in a "normal" year. For instance, the Browns WRECKING the Ravens by putting up 40 on them. But it turns out that was an anomaly. But at the time, the Browns looked like a true contender.
But, The Ravens seem stacked. They added some skiznett. Campbell is a beast. I'm not saying Jackson will be MVP like again, but he'll still be a weapon.
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