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  • W Westside Steve

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-post-offices-problem-isnt-trump-11597360885

    Just so we don't have to keep hijacking threads to talk about the postal service.

    WSS

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    @westside-steve said:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-post-offices-problem-isnt-trump-11597360885

    Just so we don't have to keep hijacking threads to talk about the postal service.

    WSS

    Yes Steve- knew 95% of that. So what you going to do for those folks living out in the stix?  Think UPS or Fedex are going to want to lose millions servicing them? Cut out Saturday first class mail? All for it. Make junk mailers pay their fair share? Sure- they probably get charged a few bucks per ton of delivery. 

    Said it elsewhere- this is not the time to go screwing with the USPS business model right before the election. The problems may not be Trump's fault- but he sure as hell turned it into a political football with some remarks that certainly sound like he's suppressing mail delivery. 

    As to the Post Office being a financial sinkhole with no bottom- saw an interesting thought. They're a service provided for by the government.  Um BTW- so is the US military- with around $700 billion in discretionary spending. The $25 billion the Democrats want to spend to prop up the USPS through the end of the year is approaching the level of pissing in the ocean of red ink created by the military and their never ending wish list for new toys- that we're probably never going to need. And if the US government was run as a business (like some want to do with the Post office) it would have been declared bankrupt years ago. Except- Uncle Sam can keep on printing money he doesn't have. The national debt load (just checked) is $70,000 per capita.  Considering kids under 10 don't work- and retirees- you can effectively at least double that for people who are actually working. 

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      @westside-steve said:

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-post-offices-problem-isnt-trump-11597360885

      Just so we don't have to keep hijacking threads to talk about the postal service.

      WSS

      Yes Steve- knew 95% of that. So what you going to do for those folks living out in the stix?  Think UPS or Fedex are going to want to lose millions servicing them? Cut out Saturday first class mail? All for it. Make junk mailers pay their fair share? Sure- they probably get charged a few bucks per ton of delivery. 

      Said it elsewhere- this is not the time to go screwing with the USPS business model right before the election. The problems may not be Trump's fault- but he sure as hell turned it into a political football with some remarks that certainly sound like he's suppressing mail delivery. 

      As to the Post Office being a financial sinkhole with no bottom- saw an interesting thought. They're a service provided for by the government.  Um BTW- so is the US military- with around $700 billion in discretionary spending. The $25 billion the Democrats want to spend to prop up the USPS through the end of the year is approaching the level of pissing in the ocean of red ink created by the military and their never ending wish list for new toys- that we're probably never going to need. And if the US government was run as a business (like some want to do with the Post office) it would have been declared bankrupt years ago. Except- Uncle Sam can keep on printing money he doesn't have. The national debt load (just checked) is $70,000 per capita.  Considering kids under 10 don't work- and retirees- you can effectively at least double that for people who are actually working. 

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      @hoorta said:

      Yes Steve- knew 95% of that. So what you going to do for those folks living out in the stix?  Think UPS or Fedex are going to want to lose millions servicing them? Cut out Saturday first class mail? All for it. Make junk mailers pay their fair share? Sure- they probably get charged a few bucks per ton of delivery. 

      Said it elsewhere- this is not the time to go screwing with the USPS business model right before the election. The problems may not be Trump's fault- but he sure as hell turned it into a political football with some remarks that certainly sound like he's suppressing mail delivery. 

      As to the Post Office being a financial sinkhole with no bottom- saw an interesting thought. They're a service provided for by the government.  Um BTW- so is the US military- with around $700 billion in discretionary spending. The $25 billion the Democrats want to spend to prop up the USPS through the end of the year is approaching the level of pissing in the ocean of red ink created by the military and their never ending wish list for new toys- that we're probably never going to need. And if the US government was run as a business (like some want to do with the Post office) it would have been declared bankrupt years ago. Except- Uncle Sam can keep on printing money he doesn't have. The national debt load (just checked) is $70,000 per capita.  Considering kids under 10 don't work- and retirees- you can effectively at least double that for people who are actually working. 

      With a mindset like this, we would still have the pony express, quills & inkwells, and horse and buggies.

      Subsidized deliveries of junk mail and other nonsense is nothing more than wasted taxpayer money.

      The only time I mail a letter is when I pay my property taxes, only because the local governments haven’t evolved in the 21st century.

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        @hoorta said:

        Yes Steve- knew 95% of that. So what you going to do for those folks living out in the stix?  Think UPS or Fedex are going to want to lose millions servicing them? Cut out Saturday first class mail? All for it. Make junk mailers pay their fair share? Sure- they probably get charged a few bucks per ton of delivery. 

        Said it elsewhere- this is not the time to go screwing with the USPS business model right before the election. The problems may not be Trump's fault- but he sure as hell turned it into a political football with some remarks that certainly sound like he's suppressing mail delivery. 

        As to the Post Office being a financial sinkhole with no bottom- saw an interesting thought. They're a service provided for by the government.  Um BTW- so is the US military- with around $700 billion in discretionary spending. The $25 billion the Democrats want to spend to prop up the USPS through the end of the year is approaching the level of pissing in the ocean of red ink created by the military and their never ending wish list for new toys- that we're probably never going to need. And if the US government was run as a business (like some want to do with the Post office) it would have been declared bankrupt years ago. Except- Uncle Sam can keep on printing money he doesn't have. The national debt load (just checked) is $70,000 per capita.  Considering kids under 10 don't work- and retirees- you can effectively at least double that for people who are actually working. 

        With a mindset like this, we would still have the pony express, quills & inkwells, and horse and buggies.

        Subsidized deliveries of junk mail and other nonsense is nothing more than wasted taxpayer money.

        The only time I mail a letter is when I pay my property taxes, only because the local governments haven’t evolved in the 21st century.

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        @canton-dawg said:

        With a mindset like this, we would still have the pony express, quills & inkwells, and horse and buggies.

        Subsidized deliveries of junk mail and other nonsense is nothing more than wasted taxpayer money.

        The only time I mail a letter is when I pay my property taxes, only because the local governments haven’t evolved in the 21st century.

        Then you're missing the point. The post office has evolved. There can be efficiencies- but this isn't the time to implement them. LOL, I'll talk to you about wasted taxpayer money after we cut a few hundred billion out of the defense budget. We spend more than the next 9 countries on military expenditures- combined.... 

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          @canton-dawg said:

          With a mindset like this, we would still have the pony express, quills & inkwells, and horse and buggies.

          Subsidized deliveries of junk mail and other nonsense is nothing more than wasted taxpayer money.

          The only time I mail a letter is when I pay my property taxes, only because the local governments haven’t evolved in the 21st century.

          Then you're missing the point. The post office has evolved. There can be efficiencies- but this isn't the time to implement them. LOL, I'll talk to you about wasted taxpayer money after we cut a few hundred billion out of the defense budget. We spend more than the next 9 countries on military expenditures- combined.... 

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          @hoorta said:

          Then you're missing the point. The post office has evolved. There can be efficiencies- but this isn't the time to implement them. LOL, I'll talk to you about wasted taxpayer money after we cut a few hundred billion out of the defense budget. We spend more than the next 9 countries on military expenditures- combined.... 

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            @hoorta said:

            Then you're missing the point. The post office has evolved. There can be efficiencies- but this isn't the time to implement them. LOL, I'll talk to you about wasted taxpayer money after we cut a few hundred billion out of the defense budget. We spend more than the next 9 countries on military expenditures- combined.... 

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            @canton-dawg said:

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            Meaning- you just lost the argument....  But do keep on defending this loser.. 

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              @canton-dawg said:

              CC36965D-A9F5-4D41-A95C-A2075DA924AA.jpeg

              Meaning- you just lost the argument....  But do keep on defending this loser.. 

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              @hoorta said:

              Meaning- you just lost the argument....  But do keep on defending this loser.. 

              There IS no argument, only someone with a pea sized brain would think it’s smart to subsidize the delivery of junk mail.

              Earth to Larry...we’re in the 21st century.

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                @hoorta said:

                Meaning- you just lost the argument....  But do keep on defending this loser.. 

                There IS no argument, only someone with a pea sized brain would think it’s smart to subsidize the delivery of junk mail.

                Earth to Larry...we’re in the 21st century.

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                @canton-dawg said:

                There IS no argument, only someone with a pea sized brain would think it’s smart to subsidize the delivery of junk mail.

                Earth to Larry...we’re in the 21st century.

                As usual, worthless discussing  things with MAGAs. I'm waiting for  Trump's  replacement for  Obamacare  too.

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                  @canton-dawg said:

                  There IS no argument, only someone with a pea sized brain would think it’s smart to subsidize the delivery of junk mail.

                  Earth to Larry...we’re in the 21st century.

                  As usual, worthless discussing  things with MAGAs. I'm waiting for  Trump's  replacement for  Obamacare  too.

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                  @hoorta said:

                  As usual, worthless discussing  things with MAGAs. I'm waiting for  Trump's  replacement for  Obamacare  too.

                  As usual, let’s subsidize Aunt Edna’s $4 birthday card postage even though she only has to pay for a 50 cent stamp.

                  While we’re at it let’s pick up the tab for FedEx, UPS, and DHL too.

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                    @hoorta said:

                    As usual, worthless discussing  things with MAGAs. I'm waiting for  Trump's  replacement for  Obamacare  too.

                    As usual, let’s subsidize Aunt Edna’s $4 birthday card postage even though she only has to pay for a 50 cent stamp.

                    While we’re at it let’s pick up the tab for FedEx, UPS, and DHL too.

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                    @canton-dawg said:

                    As usual, let’s subsidize Aunt Edna’s $4 birthday card postage even though she only has to pay for a 50 cent stamp.

                    While we’re at it let’s pick up the tab for FedEx, UPS, and DHL too.

                    Got it. You hate the  post office.  Next time send her that card for $10 bucks FedEx Express.  Or just send her an email. Oh, she doesn't have Internet? Too bad, so sad granny. FYI, there's folks living on the Navajo reservation that's supported by the Indian mission I donate to who don't have running  water, much less  Internet access. Nah, they don't need mail,  probably can't even read.

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                      @canton-dawg said:

                      As usual, let’s subsidize Aunt Edna’s $4 birthday card postage even though she only has to pay for a 50 cent stamp.

                      While we’re at it let’s pick up the tab for FedEx, UPS, and DHL too.

                      Got it. You hate the  post office.  Next time send her that card for $10 bucks FedEx Express.  Or just send her an email. Oh, she doesn't have Internet? Too bad, so sad granny. FYI, there's folks living on the Navajo reservation that's supported by the Indian mission I donate to who don't have running  water, much less  Internet access. Nah, they don't need mail,  probably can't even read.

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                      @hoorta said:

                      Got it. You hate the  post office.  Next time send her that card for $10 bucks FedEx Express.  Or just send her an email. Oh, she doesn't have Internet? Too bad, so sad granny. FYI, there's folks living on the Navajo reservation that's supported by the Indian mission I donate to who don't have running  water, much less  Internet access. Nah, they don't need mail,  probably can't even read.

                      You’re not too far off track, I send my aunt in Colorado a birthday card every year.

                      I don’t trust the Post Office, so I put it in a bubble envelope and send it via UPS.

                      It costs me $6 and some change, but guess what?...It always gets delivered.

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                          Here's an interesting bit.

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                          https://cointelegraph.com/news/usps-files-patent-to-use-blockchain-tech-in-user-identity-verification

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                            Its amazing the secret hate being revealed lately..

                            Cops...teachers...now post office people..christians...

                            Too much damn hate!!

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                              1 year later & still crickets later...  https://ips-dc.org/how-congress-manufactured-a-postal-crisis-and-how-to-fix-it/      

                              btw, quit taking your carrier's nickels.. The price of a Stamp went up to 55 cents months ago.. ?

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                                @canton-dawg said:

                                With a mindset like this, we would still have the pony express, quills & inkwells, and horse and buggies.

                                Subsidized deliveries of junk mail and other nonsense is nothing more than wasted taxpayer money.

                                The only time I mail a letter is when I pay my property taxes, only because the local governments haven’t evolved in the 21st century.

                                Then you're missing the point. The post office has evolved. There can be efficiencies- but this isn't the time to implement them. LOL, I'll talk to you about wasted taxpayer money after we cut a few hundred billion out of the defense budget. We spend more than the next 9 countries on military expenditures- combined.... 

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                                @hoorta said:

                                Then you're missing the point. The post office has evolved. There can be efficiencies- but this isn't the time to implement them. LOL, I'll talk to you about wasted taxpayer money after we cut a few hundred billion out of the defense budget. We spend more than the next 9 countries on military expenditures- combined.... 

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                                  @jafbf said:

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                                  now, don't confuse Hoorta and his little woodpecker with facts. They HATE that

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                                    And of course since we already knew 95% of that the only thing some people need to do is to spin it so they can attack the president. If Mike Pence John McCain or Barack Obama were president you'd probably agree with the fact did the post office really needs overhauled. But it's so much more fun to cry about voter suppression isn't it?

                                    Anyway as for the people who lived in the Sticks well, shit happens. You know how hard it is to find a good blacksmith these days? Inefficient paper correspondence is being taken over by Leaps and Bounds by Electronic media. Sorry, that's just the way it goes. So if you live a hundred miles from nowhere that's going to be one of the pains in the ass you'll have to live with. Maybe once or twice a week Drive 25 or 50 miles to a central location and pick up your junk mail there.

                                    Also a lot of money as Wasted by putting the post office FedEx UPS you name it in high traffic areas. No need for that. Delivery locations are actually destinations. So what would be a lot cheaper put it somewhere else. Meaning. In the shopping center with the most expensive rental rates imaginable. My friend at the post office is also talking about clusters of boxes and every neighborhood. Like you would see it at apartment building but in the suburbs. That would cut down on a lot of time and effort. 

                                    But like with so many other things that are completely or  mostly or even partially government-funded there's no particular urgency to do anything more efficiently.

                                    And who knows? It might be a good thing for America to have to spend at least a little bit of time to get their mail. Or a little bit of effort? As it is we sit in front of the big screen all day long and wait for Amazon to bring us our shit. We would scream bloody murder if we had to get in the car and drive 1/2 Mile to pick up the mail.

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                                      Canton DawgC Canton Dawg wrote on last edited by
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                                      Business models and innovation become irrelevant, when you always have taxpayers shore up the bottom line.

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                                        It's not spin. It's obvious. Trump said it out loud. His goal is apparent, and that's to make it harder to vote.

                                        It's spin to try and make it something else

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                                          It's not spin. It's obvious. Trump said it out loud. His goal is apparent, and that's to make it harder to vote.

                                          It's spin to try and make it something else

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                                          @mld-woody said:

                                          It's not spin. It's obvious. Trump said it out loud. His goal is apparent, and that's to make it harder to vote.

                                          It's spin to try and make it something else

                                          The Post Office is outdated...we don’t need a government official to tell us that.

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