What are the chances Greedy turns out?
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Does it matter? I only brought up the rumor of what Hanford Dixon was unofficially clocked at when he played for So Miss before Cleveland drafted him in round 1. It was more or less to give people the idea - rumor is he can run. I also clarified a few posts later that if he ran that time for NFL teams, there's no way he drops to us at #22 overall. However, he was fast enough to be drafted in round 1 and make Pro Bowls for us. There were rumors that Bo Jackson ran a killer good 40 time too.... When anyone watched Bo play - was there any reason to doubt he could blaze?
Just because they started keeping better records of this stuff when the NFL Combine moved to Indy in 1987 - doesn't mean guys weren't running the 40 yard dash before then. My junior and senior seasons in high school were 1980 and 1981; and we had to run the 40. Many college teams that showed interest in some of us wanted to know 40 times and see film. I went to football camps from 77-81 and we had to the the 40.
They didn't keep good records of QB sacks throughout the career of Deacon Jones either - does it really mean he didn't sack the QB at an elite/HOF level? Here's 1 summary of his QB sacks:
Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Sfty AV Career 191 168 2 50 0 50 0 15 10 0 0.0 2
1961 23 RAM lde 75 14 6 0 3 10 0 0.0 4 1962 24 RAM LDE 75 14 14 0 1 0 0 0.0 7 1963 25 RAM LDE 75 14 14 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0.0 7 1964* 26 RAM LDE 75 14 14 0 3 0 0 0.0 10 1965*+ 27 RAM LDE 75 14 14 0.0 1 10 1966*+ 28 RAM LDE 75 14 14 1 50 0 50 0 1 0 0 0.0 15 1967*+ 29 RAM LDE 75 14 14 0 1 0 0 0.0 1 15 1968*+ 30 RAM LDE 75 14 14 0.0 14 1969*+ 31 RAM LDE 75 14 14 0 1 0 0 0.0 12 1970* 32 RAM LDE 75 14 13 0 1 0 0 0.0 10 1971 33 RAM LDE 75 11 10 0.0 5 1972* 34 SDG LDE 75 14 14 0 2 0 0 0.0 7 1973 35 SDG LDE 75 12 12 0 1 0 0 0.0 5 1974 36 WAS 75 14 1 0.0 2 They have been timing players forever. It just wasn't published information. You didn't have PFF sites crunching all sorts of numbers, but coaches knew how fast their players were. I am sure they did some kind of strength metric.
They have been timing players forever. It just wasn't published information. You didn't have PFF sites crunching all sorts of numbers, but coaches knew how fast their players were. I am sure they did some kind of strength metric.
Well, we have had these conversations like: "How fast was Jim Brown compared to yada yada current NFL RB". Thing is, like you said....not published info, so we don't have that data. But I say he would have compared favorably with any RB going these days when it comes to his speed.
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They have been timing players forever. It just wasn't published information. You didn't have PFF sites crunching all sorts of numbers, but coaches knew how fast their players were. I am sure they did some kind of strength metric.
Well, we have had these conversations like: "How fast was Jim Brown compared to yada yada current NFL RB". Thing is, like you said....not published info, so we don't have that data. But I say he would have compared favorably with any RB going these days when it comes to his speed.
Well, we have had these conversations like: "How fast was Jim Brown compared to yada yada current NFL RB". Thing is, like you said....not published info, so we don't have that data. But I say he would have compared favorably with any RB going these days when it comes to his speed.
Maybe. All that really matters is he compared favorably to the players he played against. That is the only real barometer we have.
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Brother, their measurables are similar, but the giant difference: Claypool has already produced, Peeps is just potential. Ask Jimmy Johnson, Big Tuna and Hoodie about player evaluation: Production trumps all. Everything else is secondary. Do you honestly think Peeps will out produce Claypool in the next 5 years?
WTF has Claypool "produced" that Peeps has not? They are both freeking rookies and both produced fuck all in the pros so far. So...PROVE what you say.....copy their college stats here that you say show that Claypool has been so much more productive. I honestly did not follow either closely in college. So, back up your claim.
WTF has Claypool "produced" that Peeps has not? They are both freeking rookies and both produced fuck all in the pros so far. So...PROVE what you say.....copy their college stats here that you say show that Claypool has been so much more productive. I honestly did not follow either closely in college. So, back up your claim.
Claypool had 1037 yards and 13 TDs playing vs. top Div 1 opponents (VA, GA, USC, MI, VT) his final season. Let me know when Peeps had a season anywhere near as productive as that. Go ahead. I'll put the porch light on.
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WTF has Claypool "produced" that Peeps has not? They are both freeking rookies and both produced fuck all in the pros so far. So...PROVE what you say.....copy their college stats here that you say show that Claypool has been so much more productive. I honestly did not follow either closely in college. So, back up your claim.
Claypool had 1037 yards and 13 TDs playing vs. top Div 1 opponents (VA, GA, USC, MI, VT) his final season. Let me know when Peeps had a season anywhere near as productive as that. Go ahead. I'll put the porch light on.
Claypool had 1037 yards and 13 TDs playing vs. top Div 1 opponents (VA, GA, USC, MI, VT) his final season. Let me know when Peeps had a season anywhere near as productive as that. Go ahead. I'll put the porch light on.
turn your light on long enough so you can see Ian Book throw a ball verses Shea Patterson missing a wide open barn... ??
63.5% were in the bucket to several receivers... Shea Patterson 56.2% last season.... with Book having 18 more attempts... Those pockets looked fairly clean..and Ikie-gong's OL was rated better?
Ok Gip, am just the warm-up marching band conductor ?
️...now watch as I duck under my standing platform 
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WTF has Claypool "produced" that Peeps has not? They are both freeking rookies and both produced fuck all in the pros so far. So...PROVE what you say.....copy their college stats here that you say show that Claypool has been so much more productive. I honestly did not follow either closely in college. So, back up your claim.
Claypool had 1037 yards and 13 TDs playing vs. top Div 1 opponents (VA, GA, USC, MI, VT) his final season. Let me know when Peeps had a season anywhere near as productive as that. Go ahead. I'll put the porch light on.
Claypool had 1037 yards and 13 TDs playing vs. top Div 1 opponents (VA, GA, USC, MI, VT) his final season. Let me know when Peeps had a season anywhere near as productive as that. Go ahead. I'll put the porch light on.
In 4 years Claypool had 19 TDs. In 3 years Peeps had 14 TDs. I am kind of thinking that Peeps would likely have had at least 5 TDs his 4th season. Maybe even 13.
Oh, and FYI.....Sunshine Superman was actually TUN's THIRD receiving option last year......guys named Ronnie Bell and Nico Collins each had more catches and yards. Claypool led ND in both categories.
So, the first question is: what is the potential of each based on where they came from...and the price each team had to expend. I.e.: Which may prove to be the better value going forward: the #49 overall, or the #187 overall who played one fewer season and had incrementally smaller numbers given that he was not his team's even first or second receiving option.
And the second question is: Why am I doing Woody's dirty work for him? Where the hell is Mr. Michigan Man defending his boy PBJ?
And the third question is: What kind of freeking schedule do you think it is that Michigan played? Gee, they played Notre Dame n'est ce pas? That may have been a weak part of their schedule. And let's see: Ohio State, Alabama and Penn St and Wisconsin (possibly all better than ND) and the rest of the Big Ten.
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Claypool had 1037 yards and 13 TDs playing vs. top Div 1 opponents (VA, GA, USC, MI, VT) his final season. Let me know when Peeps had a season anywhere near as productive as that. Go ahead. I'll put the porch light on.
In 4 years Claypool had 19 TDs. In 3 years Peeps had 14 TDs. I am kind of thinking that Peeps would likely have had at least 5 TDs his 4th season. Maybe even 13.
Oh, and FYI.....Sunshine Superman was actually TUN's THIRD receiving option last year......guys named Ronnie Bell and Nico Collins each had more catches and yards. Claypool led ND in both categories.
So, the first question is: what is the potential of each based on where they came from...and the price each team had to expend. I.e.: Which may prove to be the better value going forward: the #49 overall, or the #187 overall who played one fewer season and had incrementally smaller numbers given that he was not his team's even first or second receiving option.
And the second question is: Why am I doing Woody's dirty work for him? Where the hell is Mr. Michigan Man defending his boy PBJ?
And the third question is: What kind of freeking schedule do you think it is that Michigan played? Gee, they played Notre Dame n'est ce pas? That may have been a weak part of their schedule. And let's see: Ohio State, Alabama and Penn St and Wisconsin (possibly all better than ND) and the rest of the Big Ten.
In 4 years Claypool had 19 TDs. In 3 years Peeps had 14 TDs. I am kind of thinking that Peeps would likely have had at least 5 TDs his 4th season. Maybe even 13.
Oh, and FYI.....Sunshine Supe
OK, you do understand that the most recent season is most significant? Claypool more than doubled him.
rman was actually TUN's THIRD receiving option last year......guys named Ronnie Bell and Nico Collins each had more catches and yards. Claypool led ND in both categories.
So, the first question is: what is the potential of each based on where they came from...and the price each team had to expend. I.e.: Which may prove to be the better value going forward: the #49 overall, or the #187 overall who played one fewer season and had incrementally smaller numbers given that he was not his team's even first or second receiving option.
Umm, I'm sure there is a point in there some where.
And the second question is: Why am I doing Woody's dirty work for him? Where the hell is Mr. Michigan Man defending his boy PBJ?
And the third question is: What kind of freeking schedule do you think it is that Michigan played? Gee, they played Notre Dame n'est ce pas? That may have been a weak part of their schedule. And let's see: Ohio State, Alabama and Penn St and Wisconsin (possibly all better than ND) and the rest of the Big Ten.
And Peeps did very little compared to Claypool. ?
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OK, you do understand that the most recent season is most significant? Claypool more than doubled him.
You understand that in their respective 3rd seasons, Peeps more than doubled him......and Peeps was only FMU's third option.
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OK, you do understand that the most recent season is most significant? Claypool more than doubled him.
You understand that in their respective 3rd seasons, Peeps more than doubled him......and Peeps was only FMU's third option.
OK, you do understand that the most recent season is most significant? Claypool more than doubled him.
You understand that in their respective 3rd seasons, Peeps more than doubled him......and Peeps was only FMU's third option.
Exactly. Peeps was only good enough to be the 3rd option. CC will dwarf Peep's production in the NFL. Peeps lacks bust and has bad hands. CC is taller and much bigger.
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OK, you do understand that the most recent season is most significant? Claypool more than doubled him.
You understand that in their respective 3rd seasons, Peeps more than doubled him......and Peeps was only FMU's third option.
Exactly. Peeps was only good enough to be the 3rd option. CC will dwarf Peep's production in the NFL. Peeps lacks bust and has bad hands. CC is taller and much bigger.
Exactly. Peeps was only good enough to be the 3rd option. CC will dwarf Peep's production in the NFL. Peeps lacks bust and has bad hands. CC is taller and much bigger.
Except....that Peeps actually has a wider armspread and much better vertical jump, and bigger hands.
And the fact is.....ND literally had nothing else besides Claypool. Mellow Yellow had some serious competition for production.
I don't know what you mean by "lacks bust? Do you mean that he does not have man boobs? And I suspect his hands are just fine.
I grant you that Claypool is built more like a Tight End.
And, again...he was drafted 138 slots ahead of Mellow Yellow.
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