Mangini. PICK A DAMN QB ALREADY!!!!
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@shepwrite said:
Quinn CAN go longso could Ken Dorsey.
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@shepwrite said:
I agree with Kosar: You don't insist that you're gonna play it out and then don't. That's a bad precedent.But if the Browns don't name their starter next week, use the tune-up game, and rest that guy in Fake Game Four, they will be shorting reps to the eventual starter any way you cut it... and they'll also risk injury to that guy a week before the opener. There are reasons for that pattern.
how many days did quinn need for his first nfl start?
he'll be fine, this way DA gets some much needed reps w/ the 1's. Just in case quinn goes down via injury.
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@shepwrite said:
I agree with Kosar: You don't insist that you're gonna play it out and then don't. That's a bad precedent.But if the Browns don't name their starter next week, use the tune-up game, and rest that guy in Fake Game Four, they will be shorting reps to the eventual starter any way you cut it... and they'll also risk injury to that guy a week before the opener. There are reasons for that pattern.
how many days did quinn need for his first nfl start?
he'll be fine, this way DA gets some much needed reps w/ the 1's. Just in case quinn goes down via injury.
how many days did quinn need for his first nfl start?
apparently more than what he got (LOSS)
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@shepwrite said:
I agree with Kosar: You don't insist that you're gonna play it out and then don't. That's a bad precedent.But if the Browns don't name their starter next week, use the tune-up game, and rest that guy in Fake Game Four, they will be shorting reps to the eventual starter any way you cut it... and they'll also risk injury to that guy a week before the opener. There are reasons for that pattern.
Adam Schecter (sp?) at ESPN thinks it's going to be Quinn after last weeks performance against the Packers. Said Mangini wants to run a ball control offense, and having an interception machine on the field will kill that concept real quick.
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A couple of things.
Deep down I totally agree with Bugzilla. Don't beat around the bush anymore.......are all of the coaches so afraid of hurting DA's feelings. That's the impression I get. Right now I can't help but really wish we got rid of DA for something.......anything, but alas his value diminished after week 2 of last season. I'm actually sick every time I see him with the ball or in our depth chart as a starting QB. What a shame......i'd love to see him prove me wrong.
In terms of strategy and a business point of view I can see what Mangini is doing......he knows Quinn is going to be the starter and he's probably not wanting to give him a silver spoon......rather, make him want it......earn it.......get the most out of him. Frustrating now......but I think come week one there will be a clear starter.......BQ is our man, and if last season are signs of what is to come, once he is named as the starter DA's name needs to be removed completely...if we don't he will only be a continuous distraction.....trade his ass out of town.......it needs to be done.
In terms of strategy and a business point of view I can see what Mangini is doing......he knows Quinn is going to be the starter and he's probably not wanting to give him a silver spoon......rather, make him want it......earn it.......get the most out of him. Frustrating now......but I think come week one there will be a clear starter.......BQ is our man, and if last season are signs of what is to come, once he is named as the starter DA's name needs to be removed completely...if we don't he will only be a continuous distraction.....trade his ass out of town.......it needs to be done.
I'm not trying to be a prick, but this is a ridiculous notion. Quinn isn't the type that needs "uncertainty" as a motivational tool. Charlie Weis didn't pretend like he was going to start Evan Sharpley every week just to keep Quinn working hard to "earn it."
I think Mangini has picked his guy, but is doing exactly as he says, having the back up ready in case of injury. I just don't think DA will fit this offense very well, is the only problem with the game plan I can see.
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@shepwrite said:
I agree with Kosar: You don't insist that you're gonna play it out and then don't. That's a bad precedent.But if the Browns don't name their starter next week, use the tune-up game, and rest that guy in Fake Game Four, they will be shorting reps to the eventual starter any way you cut it... and they'll also risk injury to that guy a week before the opener. There are reasons for that pattern.
Adam Schecter (sp?) at ESPN thinks it's going to be Quinn after last weeks performance against the Packers. Said Mangini wants to run a ball control offense, and having an interception machine on the field will kill that concept real quick.
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A couple of things.
Deep down I totally agree with Bugzilla. Don't beat around the bush anymore.......are all of the coaches so afraid of hurting DA's feelings. That's the impression I get. Right now I can't help but really wish we got rid of DA for something.......anything, but alas his value diminished after week 2 of last season. I'm actually sick every time I see him with the ball or in our depth chart as a starting QB. What a shame......i'd love to see him prove me wrong.
In terms of strategy and a business point of view I can see what Mangini is doing......he knows Quinn is going to be the starter and he's probably not wanting to give him a silver spoon......rather, make him want it......earn it.......get the most out of him. Frustrating now......but I think come week one there will be a clear starter.......BQ is our man, and if last season are signs of what is to come, once he is named as the starter DA's name needs to be removed completely...if we don't he will only be a continuous distraction.....trade his ass out of town.......it needs to be done.
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In terms of strategy and a business point of view I can see what Mangini is doing......he knows Quinn is going to be the starter and he's probably not wanting to give him a silver spoon......rather, make him want it......earn it.......get the most out of him. Frustrating now......but I think come week one there will be a clear starter.......BQ is our man, and if last season are signs of what is to come, once he is named as the starter DA's name needs to be removed completely...if we don't he will only be a continuous distraction.....trade his ass out of town.......it needs to be done.
I'm not trying to be a prick, but this is a ridiculous notion. Quinn isn't the type that needs "uncertainty" as a motivational tool. Charlie Weis didn't pretend like he was going to start Evan Sharpley every week just to keep Quinn working hard to "earn it."
I think Mangini has picked his guy, but is doing exactly as he says, having the back up ready in case of injury. I just don't think DA will fit this offense very well, is the only problem with the game plan I can see.
I'm not trying to be a prick, but this is a ridiculous notion. Quinn isn't the type that needs "uncertainty" as a motivational tool. Charlie Weis didn't pretend like he was going to start Evan Sharpley every week just to keep Quinn working hard to "earn it."
I think Mangini has picked his guy, but is doing exactly as he says, having the back up ready in case of injury. I just don't think DA will fit this offense very well, is the only problem with the game plan I can see.
Really? That's the ONLY problem with the game plan?
We have problems at the O-line problem, the defense and three quarterbacks who threw four interceptions between them in one game...
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I'm not trying to be a prick, but this is a ridiculous notion. Quinn isn't the type that needs "uncertainty" as a motivational tool. Charlie Weis didn't pretend like he was going to start Evan Sharpley every week just to keep Quinn working hard to "earn it."
I think Mangini has picked his guy, but is doing exactly as he says, having the back up ready in case of injury. I just don't think DA will fit this offense very well, is the only problem with the game plan I can see.
Really? That's the ONLY problem with the game plan?
We have problems at the O-line problem, the defense and three quarterbacks who threw four interceptions between them in one game...
Really? That's the ONLY problem with the game plan?
We have problems at the O-line problem, the defense and three quarterbacks who threw four interceptions between them in one game...
This is the game plan i was referring to....
having the back up ready in case of injury
...because that's what we were talking about.
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how many days did quinn need for his first nfl start?
apparently more than what he got (LOSS)
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the worst D in the stadium that day was the one wearing blue.
On another note, there's a question I've been pondering:
If Anderson outplays Quinnie this Saturday, will there be a thread titled "DON'T PICK A QB YET!!!!"
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I can see some of you guys who like to xxxx with lumdumb, but those of you who really get annoyed by his stupidity. why bother reading/responding to his shit? LCD for example, why get worked up over him being a braindead fool, just toss him on ignore man. it makes these boards way more enjoyable
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I can see some of you guys who like to xxxx with lumdumb, but those of you who really get annoyed by his stupidity. why bother reading/responding to his shit? LCD for example, why get worked up over him being a braindead fool, just toss him on ignore man. it makes these boards way more enjoyable
I can see some of you guys who like to xxxx with lumdumb, but those of you who really get annoyed by his stupidity. why bother reading/responding to his shit? LCD for example, why get worked up over him being a braindead fool, just toss him on ignore man. it makes these boards way more enjoyable
I like to laugh at him. Sometimes it's fun to f**k with him. To me, there's no point in ignoring someone just because I don't agree with them. Where's the fun in that? Though I don't come on here to argue with people, it is fun to bitch every now and then. Shep should agree...as should Zombo...as should Peen...there's several who like to argue from time to time. Keeps things interesting.
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the worst D in the stadium that day was the one wearing blue.
On another note, there's a question I've been pondering:
If Anderson outplays Quinnie this Saturday, will there be a thread titled "DON'T PICK A QB YET!!!!"
the worst D in the stadium that day was the one wearing blue.
On another note, there's a question I've been pondering:
If Anderson outplays Quinnie this Saturday, will there be a thread titled "DON'T PICK A QB YET!!!!"
Better yet, if Quinn outplays Anderson, what kind of spin will you put on it to make Anderson look more deserving of the job?
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A couple of things.
Deep down I totally agree with Bugzilla. Don't beat around the bush anymore.......are all of the coaches so afraid of hurting DA's feelings. That's the impression I get. Right now I can't help but really wish we got rid of DA for something.......anything, but alas his value diminished after week 2 of last season. I'm actually sick every time I see him with the ball or in our depth chart as a starting QB. What a shame......i'd love to see him prove me wrong.
In terms of strategy and a business point of view I can see what Mangini is doing......he knows Quinn is going to be the starter and he's probably not wanting to give him a silver spoon......rather, make him want it......earn it.......get the most out of him. Frustrating now......but I think come week one there will be a clear starter.......BQ is our man, and if last season are signs of what is to come, once he is named as the starter DA's name needs to be removed completely...if we don't he will only be a continuous distraction.....trade his ass out of town.......it needs to be done.
BQ is our man, and if last season are signs of what is to come, once he is named as the starter DA's name needs to be removed completely...if we don't he will only be a continuous distraction.....trade his ass out of town.......it needs to be done.
As pointed out earlier, that's sort of a ridiculous notion. Why would DA be a distraction? The local media and vocal fans already don't want him playing... it's not like he's a first round pick sitting on the bench that "hasn't had his shot" that people are clamoring for - now there's a distraction. If Quinn can't handle the pressure of being the number one guy then he's probably not the long term solution.
Anyway, maybe Mangini does want to start Quinn, but he might realize also that Brady's yet to prove he can play 2 consecutive NFL games without getting some kind of owie and he should probably have a backup ready just in case it happens again.
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@inspecta said:
I think unless a team has a meltdown at the QB position with more than one injury and are looking at starting their 3rd stringer then Anderson isn't going anywhere this season, nor should he. I keep telling you guys, as bad as Anderson is, as much as he sucks mentally in the pocket, there's just something about his game that goes up a couple of notches when the pressure is off and he's "not the guy"That Giants game was a perfect example. All week long everybody and their brother in the world of the NFL was picking the Giants to absolutely demolish us. Every sports writer in cleveland was predicting a blowout to the Giants. Nobody expected Anderson to do anything in that game. And when he took the field knowing that nobody expected much out of him, that's when he went lights out and burned the Giants pretty badly.
However if you give him the rock and say "You're the starter" something inside of Anderson shits the bed, and he can't focus and he makes one bad decision after another.
If Quinn goes down with an injury for a week or 2 I have no problem with Anderson coming in to play. If Quinn has a long term season injury then we are screwed cause then we're back to counting on Anderson to be the guy to save our season, and that will never ever happened.
I expect Anderson to play much better on Saturday because everybody has already said that Quinn has pretty much locked up the starting job, therefore Anderson has no pressure to perform because in his own mind he's already lost the starting gig so there's nothing he can do to make the situation worse, so he'll come out and play loose, and play well. Count on it.
I'm thinking the "pressure to perform" theory is little more than speculation.
The teams are under pressure to win pretty much every game, especially if they are in the playoff hunt. The Browns won 3 of their last 4 games in '07 and only didn't make the playoffs because another team gave away a game the final weeks to rest their best player(s). Sure he had a bad game in Cincinatti, so did Palmer but their OC changed the game plan to run more rather than pass as much as they had all season long, while the Brown's kept passing in poor conditions even though Jamal was running strong... fingers can be pointed a lot of directions in that game. 10 wins and 5 losses is the best stretch any QB has put together for the Browns in years.
The following year, despite starting the season with a concussion, DA was 3 and 5 against the tough part of the schedule... do you really think the Browns wouldn't win the next couple of games with him in there? 3 and 5 was better than the 1 and 7 the Browns did the rest of the season against an arguably weaker schedule.
I see you're already building up an excuse in case DA does do well in the next game... "of course he did well, pressure's off" I think it's kind of lame.
If BQ does win the competition, it'll be curious to see the response/excuses if the Browns have yet another 4-6 win season.
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Inspecta it's obvious that you've never had a concussion, you have no idea of the ramifications...
I'm not in either QB's camp but IMO, Quinn should and will be our starting QB this season....
But its also my opinion that if DA and Gay Ben changed teams, the Steelers wouldn't miss a beat and the Browns still would be a team in question... The fortunes of the Browns is not all about the QB position, not enough playmakers and too many holes....
Peace
T.Dawg
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@inspecta said:
Talk about excuses, you and lum keep blaming DA's shitting the bed in that game on the weather. Guess what? If he knew how to throw a short pass the wind would of had little effect on the game, but every pass attempt was him trying to chuck it down the field and letting as much air get under it as possible. Bottom line, DA shit the bed, case closed end of story.And I'm also tired of this "He gave us a 10 win season, better than any QB since returning to the league" garbage that keeps getting regurgitated over and over. If they gave the Lombardi trophy for winning 10 games then shit, he's hit the promise land, but last time I checked they don't.
And again, excuses for his shitty play last year on the concussion. If it was that big an issue then why was he playing at all? Why was the coaching staff/doctors/trainers putting his health on the line if the concussion was so bad it effected the way he played so dramatically?
Again, another lame excuse for DA.
And I'm not putting up a lame excuse for DA to do well in the next game, I'm merely predicting what will happen based on DA's history. And DA's history says that now that everybody has him in the grave as far as his chances at starting go, he's gonna come out and play well.
I've always said DA's problems are mental, he has all the physical talent to be a great QB in this league. His brain doesn't help his body out though...
It just amazes me that the players who sucked in '06 and '08 suddenly became good for 10 wins in '07, and DA was lucky enough to be along for the ride.
You know, I don't really care who QBs the team this year, but I'll stick up for any QB who's getting knocked when there's a whole lot of blame to be spread elsewhere. DA is nowhere as bad as you and a few others paint him to be.
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@inspecta said:
Talk about excuses, you and lum keep blaming DA's shitting the bed in that game on the weather. Guess what? If he knew how to throw a short pass the wind would of had little effect on the game, but every pass attempt was him trying to chuck it down the field and letting as much air get under it as possible. Bottom line, DA shit the bed, case closed end of story.And I'm also tired of this "He gave us a 10 win season, better than any QB since returning to the league" garbage that keeps getting regurgitated over and over. If they gave the Lombardi trophy for winning 10 games then shit, he's hit the promise land, but last time I checked they don't.
And again, excuses for his shitty play last year on the concussion. If it was that big an issue then why was he playing at all? Why was the coaching staff/doctors/trainers putting his health on the line if the concussion was so bad it effected the way he played so dramatically?
Again, another lame excuse for DA.
And I'm not putting up a lame excuse for DA to do well in the next game, I'm merely predicting what will happen based on DA's history. And DA's history says that now that everybody has him in the grave as far as his chances at starting go, he's gonna come out and play well.
I've always said DA's problems are mental, he has all the physical talent to be a great QB in this league. His brain doesn't help his body out though...
It just amazes me that the players who sucked in '06 and '08 suddenly became good for 10 wins in '07, and DA was lucky enough to be along for the ride.
You know, I don't really care who QBs the team this year, but I'll stick up for any QB who's getting knocked when there's a whole lot of blame to be spread elsewhere. DA is nowhere as bad as you and a few others paint him to be.
It just amazes me that the players who sucked in '06 and '08 suddenly became good for 10 wins in '07, and DA was lucky enough to be along for the ride.
You know, I don't really care who QBs the team this year, but I'll stick up for any QB who's getting knocked when there's a whole lot of blame to be spread elsewhere. DA is nowhere as bad as you and a few others paint him to be.
Does the word "injuries", mean anything to you? If you recall, Braylon Edwards tore his ACL in LATE 2005. That's an injury that takes a year to recover from. Kellen Winslow, who actually tied the team record for receptions in a season the year BEFORE DA started all of those games in 2007, didn't get significantly better with DA. In 2006, this team didn't have Jamal Lewis. In 2006 this team didn't have Thomas or Steinbach.
Even with all of that in play, Braylon still needed to play out of his mind that season for Anderson to even sniff a 56% completion rate.
In 2008, the team didn't give up as many sacks with DA under center as you think, but was dealing with injuries in and out of that line all season. BRaylon was injured in camp, but sucked no matter who was throwing him the ball and when you do factor in all of his drops, Anderson's numbers really don't improve drastically enough to reflect a repeat performance of the year befvore.
That's what you DA guys seem to forget - Browns injuries, no Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach or Jamal Lewis. Braylon Edwards had ZERO explosiveness in 2006 because he was playing most of the season with a bum ACL.
These are legit factors and points more to the case that everything fell into place for Anderson in 2007. Yet, when 2008 hits and he screws up, every excuse in the book is made for him.
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It just amazes me that the players who sucked in '06 and '08 suddenly became good for 10 wins in '07, and DA was lucky enough to be along for the ride.
You know, I don't really care who QBs the team this year, but I'll stick up for any QB who's getting knocked when there's a whole lot of blame to be spread elsewhere. DA is nowhere as bad as you and a few others paint him to be.
Does the word "injuries", mean anything to you? If you recall, Braylon Edwards tore his ACL in LATE 2005. That's an injury that takes a year to recover from. Kellen Winslow, who actually tied the team record for receptions in a season the year BEFORE DA started all of those games in 2007, didn't get significantly better with DA. In 2006, this team didn't have Jamal Lewis. In 2006 this team didn't have Thomas or Steinbach.
Even with all of that in play, Braylon still needed to play out of his mind that season for Anderson to even sniff a 56% completion rate.
In 2008, the team didn't give up as many sacks with DA under center as you think, but was dealing with injuries in and out of that line all season. BRaylon was injured in camp, but sucked no matter who was throwing him the ball and when you do factor in all of his drops, Anderson's numbers really don't improve drastically enough to reflect a repeat performance of the year befvore.
That's what you DA guys seem to forget - Browns injuries, no Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach or Jamal Lewis. Braylon Edwards had ZERO explosiveness in 2006 because he was playing most of the season with a bum ACL.
These are legit factors and points more to the case that everything fell into place for Anderson in 2007. Yet, when 2008 hits and he screws up, every excuse in the book is made for him.
Does the word "injuries", mean anything to you? If you recall, Braylon Edwards tore his ACL in LATE 2005. That's an injury that takes a year to recover from. Kellen Winslow, who actually tied the team record for receptions in a season the year BEFORE DA started all of thiose games means DA didn't do squat for him. In 2006, this team didn't have Jamal Lewis. In 2006 this team didn't have Thomas or Steinbach.
Even with all of that in play, Braylon still needed to play out of his mind that season for Anderson to even sniff a 56% completion rate.
In 2008, the team didn't give up as many sacks with DA under center as you think, but was dealing with injuries in and out of that line all season. BRaylon was injured in camp, but sucked no matter who was throwing him the ball and when you do factor in all of his drops, Anderson's numbers really don't improve drastically enough to reflect a repeat performance of the year befvore.
That's what you DA guys seem to forget - Browns injuries, no Joe Thomas, Eric Steinbach or Jamal Lewis. Braylon Edwards had ZERO explosiveness in 2006 because he was playing most of the season with a bum ACL.
These are legit factors and points more to the case that everything fell into place for Anderson in 2007. Yet, when 2008 hits and he screws up, every excuse in the book is made for him.
You just kind of made my point. DA was not surrounded by healthy players in '08, while coming off a concussion himself. BE was coming off his heel and 3-4 weeks of no practice, our #2 receiver was named Steptoe... lots of misfortune at the start of the year, the team's performance doesn't all hang on the head of DA.
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