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We Should of kept Schobert

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  • stillmotionS stillmotion

    Not having him is telling. We need more of a veteran presence on D.

    And about the others, it's one game, look at the overall picture.

    OBJ, Baker, all of them, let them have a chance to prove they can bounce back.

    And the whole kicker deal is ridiculous.

    @stillmotion said:

    Not having him is telling. We need more of a veteran presence on D.

    And about the others, it's one game, look at the overall picture.

    OBJ, Baker, all of them, let them have a chance to prove they can bounce back.

    And the whole kicker deal is ridiculous.

    That was a bad decision. It's not like they didn't have the cap space or like there were better players here to replace him. But awful personnel mng. Make it stop. 

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    @stillmotion said:

    Not having him is telling. We need more of a veteran presence on D.

    And about the others, it's one game, look at the overall picture.

    OBJ, Baker, all of them, let them have a chance to prove they can bounce back.

    And the whole kicker deal is ridiculous.

    That was a bad decision. It's not like they didn't have the cap space or like there were better players here to replace him. But awful personnel mng. Make it stop. 

    @icecube said:

    That was a bad decision. It's not like they didn't have the cap space or like there were better players here to replace him. But awful personnel mng. Make it stop. 

    You can thank MoneyTard and BerryBust for that ridiculous move...

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  • Agreed. Was very surprised when much of this board was cool with his exit. We miss him.

  • But we have Malcolm in the middle now isn’t he supposed to be making up for the loss of Schobert?

  • I think we should have given the LB position group the same kind of treatment that the Oline position group had this past offseason. It was one of the weakest groups on our team last season.

    Whether the treatment was resign joe I dunno. 
     

  • I know. It really hurts. How far away could we have really been in money? 

    Ugh. 

  • He got paid a lot. Easy to say this when our starting LB Mack is injured and after a really bad game.

    Link shows Jonathon Taylor cake walking the edge against schobert last week. Not overpaying for that when you can underpay for that.

  • If I recall?... It was not the 10.7M/year for the'show that was the issue... but, It was the 21.5M guarantee'd on a 5 year deal of 53.7M... that Berry walked away from... Anthony Barr nor Jalen Smith saw that much upfront dough on similar timed deals 

    If the Steelers can find them? Berry better start L?king..

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  • gumby73G gumby73

    If I recall?... It was not the 10.7M/year for the'show that was the issue... but, It was the 21.5M guarantee'd on a 5 year deal of 53.7M... that Berry walked away from... Anthony Barr nor Jalen Smith saw that much upfront dough on similar timed deals 

    If the Steelers can find them? Berry better start L?king..

    @gumby73 said:

    Berry better start L?king..

    Yeah.... Joe was good, but he wasn't great and you cannot pay everyone.

    The problem is not that Joe is gone... It's that we have not replaced him.

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  • Man this defense is bad. 
     

    the issue I had with it, and it was touched on up above is they have the cap space AND it seemed like they had no plan to really replace him... maybe if they already had another vet but Kirksey was out the door too.....If they banked on Mack after that hot and cold season he had last year.... that’s worrisome..... 

  • Yeah the defense isn't good. I hope more playing time they will get better. Getting Greedy and Kevin Johnson back will help I hope. But the LBs and safeties leave a lot to be desired.

  • Ward did look good last nite... returned to his rookie form.

    D overall??? Not good, to be sure, but DL rotation looks better than decent. We need Olivier to bookend MG... he was dbl-teamed a ton last nite.

    Back 7? Really not elite, but look at who we are missing on the field in our 2ndary. LBs... well... again missing a piece due to injury, but even with Mack the talent level just is not there. This area has to top Berry's "do List" in 2021... draft and FA.

    All the above said I do have to add that the effort I saw last nite impressed me. All the backups forced to play... all the vets we did sign... they were all flying to the ball all nite long. Now sometimes they started their flight too late... and sometimes they forgot to "brake it down" on final approach and missed their target... but the energy was there. And that's a good thing...

    Remember the D-side, too, has a new system. So give it some time. While this D as it is is not going to become great let alone dominant, it looks to me like it can become competitive under Joe Woods. And with a run game like we saw last nite that's a recipe I can get behind.

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  • Isn’t clay Matthews the third still out there? I just don’t see why we can’t get someone of that caliber to play here when he was on the street. He had eight sacks last year. And I swear inexperience is part of our biggest problem.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @gumby73 said:

    Berry better start L?king..

    Yeah.... Joe was good, but he wasn't great and you cannot pay everyone.

    The problem is not that Joe is gone... It's that we have not replaced him.

    @tour2ma said:

    Yeah.... Joe was good, but he wasn't great and you cannot pay everyone.

    The problem is not that Joe is gone... It's that we have not replaced him.

    Isn't that funny that a few of the good players we had we all named Joe? LOL

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Isn’t clay Matthews the third still out there? I just don’t see why we can’t get someone of that caliber to play here when he was on the street. He had eight sacks last year. And I swear inexperience is part of our biggest problem.

    @the-gipper said:

    Isn’t clay Matthews the third still out there? I just don’t see why we can’t get someone of that caliber to play here when he was on the street. He had eight sacks last year. And I swear inexperience is part of our biggest problem.

    I have to imagine they did some kind of outreach on that option.  PR perspective...it’s a need...he was a player.

  • In addition to being in decline Clay III is not a scheme fit.

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    In addition to being in decline Clay III is not a scheme fit.

    @tour2ma said:

    In addition to being in decline Clay III is not a scheme fit.

    Even in decline he may be better than what we got. As for schemes these are players they know how to fit in   

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  • stillmotionS stillmotion

    Not having him is telling. We need more of a veteran presence on D.

    And about the others, it's one game, look at the overall picture.

    OBJ, Baker, all of them, let them have a chance to prove they can bounce back.

    And the whole kicker deal is ridiculous.

    @stillmotion said:

    Not having him is telling. We need more of a veteran presence on D.

    And about the others, it's one game, look at the overall picture.

    OBJ, Baker, all of them, let them have a chance to prove they can bounce back.

    And the whole kicker deal is ridiculous.

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