Mangini sending a clear message
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It is what this team has needed for a long time....some fire and desire.
We aren't talking about some crap ass job that can be had anywhere...we are talking about the best paying job most of these guys could ever possibly hope to hold.
Let them know there is a real chance they won't hold it much longer and it brings out the 100% rather than the 90%.
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Should be interesting to see what kind of message Mangini delivers in response to this:
Aloysius said:
Should be interesting to see what kind of message Mangini delivers in response to this:You know, it' funny really. This might actually work in Louis' favor. If he's lacked anything in his brief NFL career, it's intensity. I'm not going conspiracy theory here, but I would not be surprised if the staff IOK, Cox and Mangini) wasn't riding him just to see where he breaks. Just to see where he starts to fight back.
I feel like I keep saying this... but it worked for Parcells, it's worked for Belichick.
Of course, it could just be that everyone's getting a little frayed around the edges.
-jj
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I agree. If he gets cut, it won't be because of this, it is simply because he isn't good enough.
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It is what this team has needed for a long time....some fire and desire.
We aren't talking about some crap ass job that can be had anywhere...we are talking about the best paying job most of these guys could ever possibly hope to hold.
Let them know there is a real chance they won't hold it much longer and it brings out the 100% rather than the 90%.
It is what this team has needed for a long time....some fire and desire.
We aren't talking about some crap ass job that can be had anywhere...we are talking about the best paying job most of these guys could ever possibly hope to hold.
Let them know there is a real chance they won't hold it much longer and it brings out the 100% rather than the 90%.
Yep! Most have the ability....with THIS regime, we'll find out who has the desire & pride! If that's not there, neither will their paycheck...no more "easy money". Once again, we are heading in the right direction.
Mike
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What is the 65?
active roster + practice squad I'm guessing.
AdaM said:
active roster + practice squad I'm guessing.The practice squad is limited to 8
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I got my eye out on Cox, I ain't drinking the kool aid just yet.
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I agree. He was always a loud mouth player.
But he was always the most intense. You can't coach talent but you can coach intensity and how to play full tilt.
"I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." William F Buckley -
But he was always the most intense. You can't coach talent but you can coach intensity and how to play full tilt.
There's coaching intensity, and there's coaching with stupid machismo. If he's Dick Vermeil (trying to think of a non-crazy vocal coach), that's one thing. If he's Tom Cable, that's another.
Dennis
Assuming that Quinn isn't the only guy people would object to being punched.
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Who is Bryan Cox ? A circa 1996 SI article
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/art...08579/index.htm
August 19, 1996
A Real Bear
Outspoken Bryan Cox has made himself right at home as the new leader in Chicago
Peter King
A little past seven last Friday morning, the NFL's most misunderstood player sat in the cafeteria of the Chicago Bears' training-camp complex in Platteville, Wis., looking nothing like the quarterback terrorist his new coach, Dave Wannstedt, hopes he will be. He looked placid, actually, a man happy with his job and his stature and what he considers his ridiculous wealth. Well, there was one thing bothering him.
"You know," said this complex man, his brow wrinkling on his round face, "I went to Coach Wannstedt the other day, and I asked him, 'Nothing against this camp, but can we get the f—-out of here early?' I've been a month without seeing my wife, six weeks without seeing my kids. Man, I miss seeing my kids when I go home at night. Do you know what that's like?"
Cuddly and forthright and rebellious, all at the same time. That sums up what the Bears got for their $13.2 million when they signed free-agent defender Bryan Cox to a four-year deal in February. Cox made his Soldier Field debut on Sunday in Chicago's 24-21 preseason victory over the Miami Dolphins, his former team, and Bears fans had to be happy with what they saw. The ebullient Wannstedt certainly was. "He's everything we thought he'd be," Wannstedt said. "And more."
Cox made but two tackles in two quarters, but twice he snuffed out drives with impact plays. On fourth-and-one from the Miami 44 late in the first quarter, Cox the middle linebacker stood up lead blocker and fullback Stanley Pritchett, allowing five teammates to stop running back Irving Spikes for no gain. In the second quarter Cox the defensive end—that's where he'll play on most passing downs—was scrumming with Dolphins left tackle Richmond Webb when quarterback Dan Marino fired a bullet toward the left sideline. Cox extended his right arm and deflected the pass into the arms of defensive end Al Fontenot.
"Sure was funny seeing him in that black uniform," Webb said afterward. "We didn't see that competitive rage today, but it'll come."
To be sure. Cox plays with a fire few players have, and the preseason is no time to ignite it. Come October he'll blow a gasket at a referee's call or a misplay by a teammate, and every football fan in every bar and den will think he's seeing a replay of one of the five or six memorable occasions during Cox's five years in Miami, when defensive line coach Joe Greene or even coach Don Shula had to hold Cox back from doing something stupid, like attacking a teammate or an official. Unfortunately, when that happens, Cox's talent as a football player will be overshadowed.
Cox brings it on himself, this out-of-control tag. Three seasons ago in Buffalo he was fined $10,000 by the NFL for making obscene gestures to the crowd at Rich Stadium. That incident is vivid in the minds of many fans, but the two death threats Cox says he received on the eve of the game were never widely reported. He says that the league failed to provide adequate security for him that day, which put him on edge, and that his outburst was a response to vulgar taunting by Bills fans. Ten months later Cox sued the NFL for undisclosed damages for forcing him to play in a racially hostile environment; the sides eventually settled out of court, with the league paying Cox's legal fees.
Leashing his fury, Cox contends, isn't an option, because it would hinder him as a player. Whatever his excesses, he's an important player in a league all too concerned with conformity. Cox isn't afraid to speak his mind. Ask him how he gets mentally prepared for a game, and he says, "I make up things, like the guy I'm playing against has just done something evil to my wife or my kids or my mom. If somebody has just kidnapped your kids, what are you going to do? You're going to try to kill his ass." Ask him if he's crazy, and he says, "That's what people don't understand. You know you're crazy for playing this game anyway. If I lose that edge, I can't compete. This is a violent game." Ask him about the responsibility of black players outside football, and he says, "Black players in this league are suckers. They don't know how to be accountable and stand up and be a man about nothing. The one thing that this league can use to keep black athletes, especially, in check is to talk about fining them. 'Oh, I ain't losing no money,' they say. If I believe in something, you can take my whole paycheck, because I'm going to fight you tooth and nail."
He says he is embarrassed when he sees his outbursts on TV. He says there is "no damn way" he's worth the $3.3 million a year he's earning, which ranks him among the highest-paid defensive players in the league.
If salaries were measured solely on statistics, he wouldn't be. He doesn't figure to be among the league leaders in sacks; the Bears would be happy if he finished with 10 or 11, which would be a healthy increase over the 7.5 he had with the Dolphins last year. And he will get pushed around occasionally because, at 250 pounds, he's no match for Nate Newton-sized offensive linemen. But in comparative terms he's a bargain. When guys without pedigrees, guys like Marco Coleman of the San Diego Chargers and Alonzo Spellman of the Bears, are making $3 million or more a year, then what is Cox, a three-time Pro Bowl player at 28, worth?
Wannstedt saw Cox as a leader, and that was a big reason he was on the phone to him at 7 a.m. on Feb. 16, the first day of the free-agent signing period. Wannstedt phoned Cox three times that day and placed another 15 calls to Cox's agent, Clifford Brady. The Chargers, the Denver Broncos, the Green Bay Packers and the St. Louis Rams were also interested, but Chicago moved quickly to sign its man. The deal was done within five days, before any other team had a chance to make a serious offer. "We've never really had a leader here," offensive coordinator Ron Turner said. "Until now."
The Chicago players liked what they saw of Cox in off-season workouts, but they didn't know much about him. Early in camp even Cox was worried his teammates might think he was overrated. "I had the lowest vertical leap among the linebackers and the slowest time in the 40," he says. "I think guys were starting to look at me funny."
Then two things happened. First Cox ran a series of 110-yard conditioning sprints in nothing but spikes and a jockstrap. "Gave the secretaries a thrill," says quarterback Erik Kramer. It also told his teammates, We can have fun out here while we're killing ourselves. Next Cox showed his teammates he could play. Wannstedt puts his players through what he calls the middle drill, in which the offensive line faces the defensive front seven and a back tries to run up the gut. Helmets crack, grown men brawl, coaches measure toughness. On Cox's first middle drill as a Bear he burst through a gap and leveled former Heisman Trophy winner Rashaan Salaam. Cox got up screaming and helmet-banging. On the third play of the drill third-year fullback Raymont Harris met Cox. The collision sent Harris flying backward and the defense into a celebratory frenzy. "Who? What? Who hit me?" a dazed Harris said later. Says linebacker Vinson Smith, "That did it. If anybody doubted Bryan before that, nobody did anymore."
The Bears need that kind of physical presence; last year only seven teams allowed more points than the 22.5 per game that Chicago gave up. Against Miami on Sunday the Bears jetted to a 19-0 lead and thoroughly frustrated the Dolphins' attempts to establish a running game before Marino rallied his team to within five points at half-time. Miami coach Jimmy Johnson came to Soldier Field determined to run the ball with Spikes, rookies Karim Abdul-Jabbar and Jerris McPhail and Terry Kirby, who was being showcased for a potential late-August trade. In the first half the Dolphins' first-team offense ran the ball 12 times against the Bears' first-team defense and gained but 35 yards. "If we're going to be a good football team—and we are—it's not going to come by us throwing the ball 50 times a game," Johnson said afterward. "We've got to build a running game."
Johnson is tearing down the House That Shula Built. Aside from Marino, who are these guys? Johnson's opening-game lineup will include as many as 15 starters who are different from the players in the 1995 opening-day lineup. This is how wild and crazy the situation in Miami is: Johnson brought in 33-year-old Jack Del Rio to play middle linebacker. He viewed Del Rio as a trusted veteran around whom a bunch of rookies could grow and learn. Del Rio, however, was released after one preseason game and replaced by 5'11", 231-pound Zach Thomas, a fifth-round pick from Texas Tech. Thomas is one of four or five rookies ticketed to start. "I love Jack Del Rio," Johnson said last Saturday, "but Zach's making more plays. Period. And young legs make more plays than old legs in December and January. I keep telling the players I'm going to put the best players out there. Pedigree means nothing to me. What can they do for me now?"
Johnson remains his old wheeling-and-dealing self. Offer him a third-or fourth-rounder in the 1997 draft, and you can have either Kirby—Vinny Cerrato, director of player personnel for the running back-needy 49ers (page 54), was at the game scouting the fourth-year back—or Pete Stoyanovich, the fourth-most accurate kicker in NFL history. Johnson scoffs at the notion that he is making a rash judgment on Stoyanovich, who's on the block because unknown Joe Nedney has shown a strong leg. "In Dallas [place-kicker] Lin Elliott won for us one year," Johnson says. "When he wasn't going good the next year, we fired him and got a guy off the street [Eddie Murray] and won the Super Bowl. Big deal."
After Sunday's game, while not quite blowing a gasket, Cox was going off again. This time his target was 72-year-old Soldier Field. "This is the raggiest, lousiest stadium in the league," he said. "This must be the last stadium left in the league without a damn Jumbotron to see highlights. I wish the politicians in this city would get off their asses and get us a stadium built."
Cox screwed in his $2,000 diamond-stud earrings. As he walked from the locker room in the stadium he hates, he listened to another question: What's the most misunderstood thing about you? He stopped. "Nothing," he replied.
"Nothing?"
"Nothing," Cox said. "Because I don't care what people think, and people outside of my world don't know me. My wife loves me. My kids love me. I do my job the best I can, and I do what I think is right. Isn't that enough?"
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But he was always the most intense. You can't coach talent but you can coach intensity and how to play full tilt.
I am thinking it is the other way around. Intensity and heart are pretty much the same thing...either you have it or you don't.
You can't coach talent?? I don't understand that comment.
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But he was always the most intense. You can't coach talent but you can coach intensity and how to play full tilt.
I am thinking it is the other way around. Intensity and heart are pretty much the same thing...either you have it or you don't.
You can't coach talent?? I don't understand that comment.
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@hiwaygal said:
I'm just excited that I remembered that!!! lol)Nicely done!
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But he was always the most intense. You can't coach talent but you can coach intensity and how to play full tilt.
I am thinking it is the other way around. Intensity and heart are pretty much the same thing...either you have it or you don't.
You can't coach talent?? I don't understand that comment.
I am thinking it is the other way around. Intensity and heart are pretty much the same thing...either you have it or you don't.
You can't coach talent?? I don't understand that comment.
I can coach you to be more intense, I can expect it as a coach and I can coach you to expect it in yourself. I can get a players motor running high. I do it with my teammates and I do it with the kids I've coached. I can't coach a player to have natural ability or talent.
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Ok...the wording had me wondering....I call it measurables..I agree....you can't teach speed or body frame. You might be able to get a fraction here or there through training methods, but not enough to make a slow person a fast person or a 6 footer 6'4".
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I never thought I'd be so interested to find out who gets CUT, as opposed to who we KEEP.
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so nothing excited about the RB signing then
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