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  • @nero said:

    Yepp, exactly that. 

    I'm never gonna defend the exploiting of America, though it's a pretty harsh call when:

    1. Every country would have done the same (see Africa and other colonized territories)
    2. In Spanish colonized territories, there was miscegeneration, in way bigger numbers than in countries colonized by Americans, English, Dutch, French, German... The extermination of American Natives being just an example. 
    3. Spain I believe was one of the first countries in the Modern Era to put laws to reduce / abolish slavery. Hundreds of years before US, for instance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_colonial_Spanish_America As soon as early 1500s. 

    There were thousands of brits who were killed and it is celebrated on July 4th and that makes all the sense in the world, too. 

    Certainly that is all true.  People want to revile  Columbus,  but if it had not been Columbus in  1492, it would have been someone else just a few years later.  Ponce DeLeon, Vasco de Gama, Cortez, Coronado,  Drake, etc. etc.  And if it had not been Spain first, it could have been the Dutch, Portugese, British, French etc.  just a few short years later that would have done the same.

    And I think you mean miscegenation.   Keep Roger Daltry out of it.  "Talking about M-m-m-misce--g-g-g-generation"   (plus....miscegenation means "interbreeding"....is that what you meant?

    @the-gipper said:

    Certainly that is all true.  People want to revile  Columbus,  but if it had not been Columbus in  1492, it would have been someone else just a few years later.  Ponce DeLeon, Vasco de Gama, Cortez, Coronado,  Drake, etc. etc.  And if it had not been Spain first, it could have been the Dutch, Portugese, British, French etc.  just a few short years later that would have done the same.

    And I think you mean miscegenation.   Keep Roger Daltry out of it.  "Talking about M-m-m-misce--g-g-g-generation"   (plus....miscegenation means "interbreeding"....is that what you meant?

    I said miscegeneration, so yeah I meant miscegeneration. That song makes me nervous with the stuttering, lol. 

    I think either Spain or Portugal would have found America, but it made all the sense in the world for it to be Spain. It had always been the bigger brother of Portugal, they found the best route to India, thus it became important for Spain to find a better route, that's why the Catholic Kings heard Columbus and tried to find another passage.

    People reviling Columbus make no sense. Judging History is the stupidest thing you can do, as all humans have same ambition and humanity can be so cruel given the opportunity. He risked his life, found success and what happened after that shouldn't be claimed as his fault. 

  • Stuck either watching pittspuke or raturds at 1. 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Does Spain get Columbus Day off Nero? Too bad. You will lose a lot of sleep over this late starting game this week.?

    We don't get Columbus Day's off because we didn't need to find our continent 😉 It is Spain's National Day so it's a day off, though I'm a freelance and probably I'll work. 

    @nero said:

    We don't get Columbus Day's off because we didn't need to find our continent 😉 It is Spain's National Day so it's a day off, though I'm a freelance and probably I'll work. 

    Well on his first voyage he did not really find the continent per se. He just found Caribbean islands??️. But if at first you don't succeed..............take 3 more trips.?

  • @nero said:

    We don't get Columbus Day's off because we didn't need to find our continent 😉 It is Spain's National Day so it's a day off, though I'm a freelance and probably I'll work. 

    Well on his first voyage he did not really find the continent per se. He just found Caribbean islands??️. But if at first you don't succeed..............take 3 more trips.?

    @texasag1969 said:

    Well on his first voyage he did not really find the continent per se. He just found Caribbean islands??️. But if at first you don't succeed..............take 3 more trips.?

    He found one of the best parts of America, though lol. I might make those 3 trips to make sure too heh 😉 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Well on his first voyage he did not really find the continent per se. He just found Caribbean islands??️. But if at first you don't succeed..............take 3 more trips.?

    He found one of the best parts of America, though lol. I might make those 3 trips to make sure too heh 😉 

    @nero said:

    He found one of the best parts of America, though lol. I might make those 3 trips to make sure too heh 😉 

    No argument here. I love those islands, especially St. John, USVI. Great snorkeling island all the way around it. I'd love to go back. All waters around it are protected as part of the National Park Service, so there are plenty of fish and other sea life to view. Saw a mature Queen Angelfish and a Peacock Flounder there as well as the biggest Great Barracuda I've ever seen anywhere including filmed ones. Ain't these two purty!

    Peacock flounder
    Bothidae - Bothus mancus.jpg
    Queen angelfish
    Holacanthus ciliaris 10.jpg
     
  • @the-gipper said:

    Certainly that is all true.  People want to revile  Columbus,  but if it had not been Columbus in  1492, it would have been someone else just a few years later.  Ponce DeLeon, Vasco de Gama, Cortez, Coronado,  Drake, etc. etc.  And if it had not been Spain first, it could have been the Dutch, Portugese, British, French etc.  just a few short years later that would have done the same.

    And I think you mean miscegenation.   Keep Roger Daltry out of it.  "Talking about M-m-m-misce--g-g-g-generation"   (plus....miscegenation means "interbreeding"....is that what you meant?

    I said miscegeneration, so yeah I meant miscegeneration. That song makes me nervous with the stuttering, lol. 

    I think either Spain or Portugal would have found America, but it made all the sense in the world for it to be Spain. It had always been the bigger brother of Portugal, they found the best route to India, thus it became important for Spain to find a better route, that's why the Catholic Kings heard Columbus and tried to find another passage.

    People reviling Columbus make no sense. Judging History is the stupidest thing you can do, as all humans have same ambition and humanity can be so cruel given the opportunity. He risked his life, found success and what happened after that shouldn't be claimed as his fault. 

    @nero said:

    miscegeneration

    Prima nocta? A "wife" in every port? Or garden-variety rape?

  • @the-gipper said:

    Certainly that is all true.  People want to revile  Columbus,  but if it had not been Columbus in  1492, it would have been someone else just a few years later.  Ponce DeLeon, Vasco de Gama, Cortez, Coronado,  Drake, etc. etc.  And if it had not been Spain first, it could have been the Dutch, Portugese, British, French etc.  just a few short years later that would have done the same.

    And I think you mean miscegenation.   Keep Roger Daltry out of it.  "Talking about M-m-m-misce--g-g-g-generation"   (plus....miscegenation means "interbreeding"....is that what you meant?

    I said miscegeneration, so yeah I meant miscegeneration. That song makes me nervous with the stuttering, lol. 

    I think either Spain or Portugal would have found America, but it made all the sense in the world for it to be Spain. It had always been the bigger brother of Portugal, they found the best route to India, thus it became important for Spain to find a better route, that's why the Catholic Kings heard Columbus and tried to find another passage.

    People reviling Columbus make no sense. Judging History is the stupidest thing you can do, as all humans have same ambition and humanity can be so cruel given the opportunity. He risked his life, found success and what happened after that shouldn't be claimed as his fault. 

    @nero said:

    I said miscegeneration, so yeah I meant miscegeneration. That song makes me nervous with the stuttering, lol. 

    I think either Spain or Portugal would have found America, but it made all the sense in the world for it to be Spain. It had always been the bigger brother of Portugal, they found the best route to India, thus it became important for Spain to find a better route, that's why the Catholic Kings heard Columbus and tried to find another passage.

    People reviling Columbus make no sense. Judging History is the stupidest thing you can do, as all humans have same ambition and humanity can be so cruel given the opportunity. He risked his life, found success and what happened after that shouldn't be claimed as his fault. 

    Miscegeneration is not actually a word....in the English language, so you just made it up.   That's OK.  Just define what you meant.

    And you are right.....trying to judge people by today's standards is a bit foolhardy.  I mean, it is like those people who claim that Jim Brown could not play against today's players.  That is like saying  "Columbus was nowhere as capable an explorer as  Neil Armstrong   because he did not have access to rockets". 

  • @nero said:

    We don't get Columbus Day's off because we didn't need to find our continent 😉 It is Spain's National Day so it's a day off, though I'm a freelance and probably I'll work. 

    Well on his first voyage he did not really find the continent per se. He just found Caribbean islands??️. But if at first you don't succeed..............take 3 more trips.?

    @texasag1969 said:

    Well on his first voyage he did not really find the continent per se. He just found Caribbean islands??️. But if at first you don't succeed..............take 3 more trips.?

    He never  "found"  the North American continent proper, if I recall correctly.  But I think he did hit S. America and Venezuela. 

    OK...in checking  he did hit Central America, which is a part of N. America.....but never hit either the now US or Mexico.

    Voyages of Christopher Columbus - Wikipedia

  • @nero said:

    I said miscegeneration, so yeah I meant miscegeneration. That song makes me nervous with the stuttering, lol. 

    I think either Spain or Portugal would have found America, but it made all the sense in the world for it to be Spain. It had always been the bigger brother of Portugal, they found the best route to India, thus it became important for Spain to find a better route, that's why the Catholic Kings heard Columbus and tried to find another passage.

    People reviling Columbus make no sense. Judging History is the stupidest thing you can do, as all humans have same ambition and humanity can be so cruel given the opportunity. He risked his life, found success and what happened after that shouldn't be claimed as his fault. 

    Miscegeneration is not actually a word....in the English language, so you just made it up.   That's OK.  Just define what you meant.

    And you are right.....trying to judge people by today's standards is a bit foolhardy.  I mean, it is like those people who claim that Jim Brown could not play against today's players.  That is like saying  "Columbus was nowhere as capable an explorer as  Neil Armstrong   because he did not have access to rockets". 

    @the-gipper said:

    Miscegeneration is not actually a word....in the English language, so you just made it up.   That's OK.  Just define what you meant.

    And you are right.....trying to judge people by today's standards is a bit foolhardy.  I mean, it is like those people who claim that Jim Brown could not play against today's players.  That is like saying  "Columbus was nowhere as capable an explorer as  Neil Armstrong   because he did not have access to rockets". 

    Fuck me, I wrote twice 'miscegeneration' instead of 'miscegenation'. Now I see. My bad.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Miscegeneration is not actually a word....in the English language, so you just made it up.   That's OK.  Just define what you meant.

    And you are right.....trying to judge people by today's standards is a bit foolhardy.  I mean, it is like those people who claim that Jim Brown could not play against today's players.  That is like saying  "Columbus was nowhere as capable an explorer as  Neil Armstrong   because he did not have access to rockets". 

    Fuck me, I wrote twice 'miscegeneration' instead of 'miscegenation'. Now I see. My bad.

    @nero said:

    Fuck me, I wrote twice 'miscegeneration' instead of 'miscegenation'. Now I see. My bad.

    People try to put you down.   Just because you get around.  The things you do seem awful cold,  I hope you die before you get old. 😆

  • @the-gipper said:

    Certainly that is all true.  People want to revile  Columbus,  but if it had not been Columbus in  1492, it would have been someone else just a few years later.  Ponce DeLeon, Vasco de Gama, Cortez, Coronado,  Drake, etc. etc.  And if it had not been Spain first, it could have been the Dutch, Portugese, British, French etc.  just a few short years later that would have done the same.

    And I think you mean miscegenation.   Keep Roger Daltry out of it.  "Talking about M-m-m-misce--g-g-g-generation"   (plus....miscegenation means "interbreeding"....is that what you meant?

    I said miscegeneration, so yeah I meant miscegeneration. That song makes me nervous with the stuttering, lol. 

    I think either Spain or Portugal would have found America, but it made all the sense in the world for it to be Spain. It had always been the bigger brother of Portugal, they found the best route to India, thus it became important for Spain to find a better route, that's why the Catholic Kings heard Columbus and tried to find another passage.

    People reviling Columbus make no sense. Judging History is the stupidest thing you can do, as all humans have same ambition and humanity can be so cruel given the opportunity. He risked his life, found success and what happened after that shouldn't be claimed as his fault. 

    @nero said:

     That song makes me nervous 

    Browns.... Right Now !! 

    Pre-game tribute.. ? Browns... Do it, right here and now!

    Edit--Chris Columbus got this Postal worker a day off Monday.. He's a damm Messiah  

  • That man could seriously shred...

  • That man could seriously shred...

    @tour2ma said:

    That man could seriously shred...

    Yes he could. The coolest thing was I attended a backyard party in Pasadena(back in high school) where they played. Cops showed up we went scrambling jumping fences to get away. Good times when life was a party.

  • That man could seriously shred...

    @tour2ma said:

    That man could seriously shred...

    Post Game tribute... ?

    Stand Up Browns Fans..You have well deserved a 4-1 football team!! Happy Victory Monday from Gumby & the VH family!! 

    Someday?..We'll be Standing on ToP !!