***Browns VS Steelers GAMEDAY Thread***
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Baker was seeing ghosts today. Pitt has the best pressure in the league and we are missing Wyatt Teller badly. Obviously we could’ve used Nick Chubb in this matchup. Whole offense has looked shook, and OBJ steps up huge with a speech. Leadership.
Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
This only amplifies my concerns over the lack of fire in his belly... where the chip on his shoulder went...
... the things that made him Baker "I'm gonna plant this flag on your 50" Mayfield.
Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
This only amplifies my concerns over the lack of fire in his belly... where the chip on his shoulder went...
... the things that made him Baker "I'm gonna plant this flag on your 50" Mayfield.
good observation...i saw that to.....he is no leader, that's for sure.....obj may be a cry baby at times....however, at least he tries to take leadership.....i guess we need to let stepanski do his thing....see what happens....we have no choice....another coaching chg in the near future would be a just about the end of this franchise.....with this roster, something needs to change in a hurry....i know we are 4-2....but hell....the teams we beat are not very good...
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Baker was seeing ghosts today. Pitt has the best pressure in the league and we are missing Wyatt Teller badly. Obviously we could’ve used Nick Chubb in this matchup. Whole offense has looked shook, and OBJ steps up huge with a speech. Leadership.
Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
This only amplifies my concerns over the lack of fire in his belly... where the chip on his shoulder went...
... the things that made him Baker "I'm gonna plant this flag on your 50" Mayfield.
Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
This only amplifies my concerns over the lack of fire in his belly... where the chip on his shoulder went...
... the things that made him Baker "I'm gonna plant this flag on your 50" Mayfield.
I questioned his ability to continue to manufacture a chip on his shoulder the second he was drafted #1 overall.
Kind of hard to keep playing the "scrappy underdog" card after that.
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Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
Baker threw the costly pick 6 that burned us. He couldn’t say anything.
OBJ was also the proper read on that play.Baker threw the costly pick 6 that burned us. He couldn’t say anything.
OBJ was also the proper read on that play.Sure he could... how many time have we seen TB12 stink it up only to rip his OL and/or skill payers a new one on the sideline.
good observation...i saw that to.....he is no leader, that's for sure..
Not my intended point... which was that Baker was that guy two years ago.
Have to shift thru a few of my half-baked posts as I'm thinking aloud here to get there tho... my bad...
I questioned his ability to continue to manufacture a chip on his shoulder the second he was drafted #1 overall.
Kind of hard to keep playing the "scrappy underdog" card after that.
I hear ya... add in fame and commercials and wife and $$$ and contentment and early success... hard to keep it from adding up to "self-satisfaction".
Something has to reignite that fire... we can't afford for him to play his way back to that "chip"...
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Baker threw the costly pick 6 that burned us. He couldn’t say anything.
OBJ was also the proper read on that play.Sure he could... how many time have we seen TB12 stink it up only to rip his OL and/or skill payers a new one on the sideline.
good observation...i saw that to.....he is no leader, that's for sure..
Not my intended point... which was that Baker was that guy two years ago.
Have to shift thru a few of my half-baked posts as I'm thinking aloud here to get there tho... my bad...
I questioned his ability to continue to manufacture a chip on his shoulder the second he was drafted #1 overall.
Kind of hard to keep playing the "scrappy underdog" card after that.
I hear ya... add in fame and commercials and wife and $$$ and contentment and early success... hard to keep it from adding up to "self-satisfaction".
Something has to reignite that fire... we can't afford for him to play his way back to that "chip"...
Sure he could... how many time have we seen TB12 stink it up only to rip his OL and/or skill payers a new one on the sideline.
Not my intended point... which was that Baker was that guy two years ago.
When you have a poor play like that it’s kinda pointless trying to yell at others to do better. IMO. OBJ didn’t do anything wrong and had some type of say in how the offense was performing
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Baker was seeing ghosts today. Pitt has the best pressure in the league and we are missing Wyatt Teller badly. Obviously we could’ve used Nick Chubb in this matchup. Whole offense has looked shook, and OBJ steps up huge with a speech. Leadership.
Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
This only amplifies my concerns over the lack of fire in his belly... where the chip on his shoulder went...
... the things that made him Baker "I'm gonna plant this flag on your 50" Mayfield.
Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
This only amplifies my concerns over the lack of fire in his belly... where the chip on his shoulder went...
... the things that made him Baker "I'm gonna plant this flag on your 50" Mayfield.
I'll get beat up for this, so be it. But I think most of us have worked for good and bad companies. When you're with a "bad" company, you lose your enthusiasm, and get beat down...and just stop having as much fire to do well because you know it doesn't matter. But to be fair, has Baker lost his credibility to some of extent? He had his litttle pow wow before the game, and I'm not sure many are buying in anymore. But I still blame upstairs. If your whole team operates in hypocrisy, it infects everything. The employees lose their drive.
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Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
This only amplifies my concerns over the lack of fire in his belly... where the chip on his shoulder went...
... the things that made him Baker "I'm gonna plant this flag on your 50" Mayfield.
I'll get beat up for this, so be it. But I think most of us have worked for good and bad companies. When you're with a "bad" company, you lose your enthusiasm, and get beat down...and just stop having as much fire to do well because you know it doesn't matter. But to be fair, has Baker lost his credibility to some of extent? He had his litttle pow wow before the game, and I'm not sure many are buying in anymore. But I still blame upstairs. If your whole team operates in hypocrisy, it infects everything. The employees lose their drive.
I'll get beat up for this, so be it. But I think most of us have worked for good and bad companies. When you're with a "bad" company, you lose your enthusiasm, and get beat down...and just stop having as much fire to do well because you know it doesn't matter. But to be fair, has Baker lost his credibility to some of extent? He had his litttle pow wow before the game, and I'm not sure many are buying in anymore. But I still blame upstairs. If your whole team operates in hypocrisy, it infects everything. The employees lose their drive.
no, i have been there....i worked for one of the largest companies in the world in different departments........i went thru both sides...its alot more fun working for a good dept...than a bad one....
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Baker was seeing ghosts today. Pitt has the best pressure in the league and we are missing Wyatt Teller badly. Obviously we could’ve used Nick Chubb in this matchup. Whole offense has looked shook, and OBJ steps up huge with a speech. Leadership.
Another observation. Some quick math for a stat I saw during the game. At one point Baker had dropped back to pass 22 times. He had a clean pocket exactly 3 of those times. He was either hurried, knocked down, or sacked the other 19 times....
The O-line was a total fail today... In every respect. Getting blown up multiple times on 4th and one for negative yardage? Disgusting..
Another observation. Some quick math for a stat I saw during the game. At one point Baker had dropped back to pass 22 times. He had a clean pocket exactly 3 of those times. He was either hurried, knocked down, or sacked the other 19 times....
The O-line was a total fail today... In every respect. Getting blown up multiple times on 4th and one for negative yardage? Disgusting..
give credit tothe steelers dline for blowing up our ol....they are very physical anbd very good....we need to get to where they are in a hurry....
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Baker threw the costly pick 6 that burned us. He couldn’t say anything.
OBJ was also the proper read on that play.Sure he could... how many time have we seen TB12 stink it up only to rip his OL and/or skill payers a new one on the sideline.
good observation...i saw that to.....he is no leader, that's for sure..
Not my intended point... which was that Baker was that guy two years ago.
Have to shift thru a few of my half-baked posts as I'm thinking aloud here to get there tho... my bad...
I questioned his ability to continue to manufacture a chip on his shoulder the second he was drafted #1 overall.
Kind of hard to keep playing the "scrappy underdog" card after that.
I hear ya... add in fame and commercials and wife and $$$ and contentment and early success... hard to keep it from adding up to "self-satisfaction".
Something has to reignite that fire... we can't afford for him to play his way back to that "chip"...
Sure he could... how many time have we seen TB12 stink it up only to rip his OL and/or skill payers a new one on the sideline.
Not my intended point... which was that Baker was that guy two years ago.
Have to shift thru a few of my half-baked posts as I'm thinking aloud here to get there tho... my bad...
I hear ya... add in fame and commercials and wife and $$$ and contentment and early success... hard to keep it from adding up to "self-satisfaction".
Something has to reignite that fire... we can't afford for him to play his way back to that "chip"...
i honestly beleive that the only reason he had early success was because the nfl was not ready for him.....now that teams have been able to study him....he is struggling big time......having 3 different coaching systems does not help either.....
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Sure he could... how many time have we seen TB12 stink it up only to rip his OL and/or skill payers a new one on the sideline.
Not my intended point... which was that Baker was that guy two years ago.
Have to shift thru a few of my half-baked posts as I'm thinking aloud here to get there tho... my bad...
I hear ya... add in fame and commercials and wife and $$$ and contentment and early success... hard to keep it from adding up to "self-satisfaction".
Something has to reignite that fire... we can't afford for him to play his way back to that "chip"...
i honestly beleive that the only reason he had early success was because the nfl was not ready for him.....now that teams have been able to study him....he is struggling big time......having 3 different coaching systems does not help either.....
i honestly beleive that the only reason he had early success was because the nfl was not ready for him.....now that teams have been able to study him....he is struggling big time......having 3 different coaching systems does not help either.....
Yea, and like all things, that trend can go either way: Some QBs get figured out but counter and overcome the adjustments teams make on them. Usually, after a QB tears it up one season, they won't be as effective the next (See L. Jackson this year). Marino never saw his 1984 #s again, however, he still remained an elite QB his entire career; Other QBs, never overcome the adjustments. As of now, Baker looks like the latter. Rick Mirer never did as well: a promising rookie year and then trash from there on. I think some of it (not all) comes down to how hard the player is willing to work.
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i honestly beleive that the only reason he had early success was because the nfl was not ready for him.....now that teams have been able to study him....he is struggling big time......having 3 different coaching systems does not help either.....
Yea, and like all things, that trend can go either way: Some QBs get figured out but counter and overcome the adjustments teams make on them. Usually, after a QB tears it up one season, they won't be as effective the next (See L. Jackson this year). Marino never saw his 1984 #s again, however, he still remained an elite QB his entire career; Other QBs, never overcome the adjustments. As of now, Baker looks like the latter. Rick Mirer never did as well: a promising rookie year and then trash from there on. I think some of it (not all) comes down to how hard the player is willing to work.
As of now, Baker looks like the latter. Rick Mirer never did as well: a promising rookie year and then trash from there on. I think some of it (not all) comes down to how hard the player is willing to work.
To me Baker's work clearly lies in being able to read defenses both pre and post snap. When you watch Brees play, that is where Baker needs to go to be the player we want to see. It's night and day for sure. I also see that quality coming out in Tannehill. There was a play Sunday when he sent a man in motion towards him and then back to his original starting point just so he could see who on the defense was reacting and how they were reacting. Then he completed the snap and got it to the right receiver at the right spot. Brees does this kind of thing almost every play along with using his snap count to tip any possible blitzes and from where they are coming. Fun to watch him work.
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Was good to see OBJ do that...
Problem was did you see Baker? He walked up late as if to see what was going on... stayed on the perimeter even leaning to look around other players.
It should should have been him leading this pep session... and two years ago it would have been. We know this because it was him...
This only amplifies my concerns over the lack of fire in his belly... where the chip on his shoulder went...
... the things that made him Baker "I'm gonna plant this flag on your 50" Mayfield.
good observation...i saw that to.....he is no leader, that's for sure.....obj may be a cry baby at times....however, at least he tries to take leadership.....i guess we need to let stepanski do his thing....see what happens....we have no choice....another coaching chg in the near future would be a just about the end of this franchise.....with this roster, something needs to change in a hurry....i know we are 4-2....but hell....the teams we beat are not very good...
good observation...i saw that to.....he is no leader, that's for sure.....obj may be a cry baby at times....however, at least he tries to take leadership.....i guess we need to let stepanski do his thing....see what happens....we have no choice....another coaching chg in the near future would be a just about the end of this franchise.....with this roster, something needs to change in a hurry....i know we are 4-2....but hell....the teams we beat are not very good...
I don't know, are you a leader if you take your shoes off with 8 minutes left in the game?
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