Sandejo
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Disclaimer- I’m trying to make an argument for him.
Hiding his current numbers undermines your argument. Unless your goal is also to delude yourself, it makes it clear that even you know how bad he is.
Hiding his current numbers undermines your argument. Unless your goal is also to delude yourself, it makes it clear that even you know how bad he is.
I’ve been harsh in other posts about him. He’s an easy target.
In pointing out the 17-19 numbers it shows he’s played at a really high level and most recently at a solid level (less than 12 months ago). Maybe he adjusts to our scheme gets comfortable. I don’t like the prospects of that but who knows.
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Hiding his current numbers undermines your argument. Unless your goal is also to delude yourself, it makes it clear that even you know how bad he is.
I’ve been harsh in other posts about him. He’s an easy target.
In pointing out the 17-19 numbers it shows he’s played at a really high level and most recently at a solid level (less than 12 months ago). Maybe he adjusts to our scheme gets comfortable. I don’t like the prospects of that but who knows.
I’ve been harsh in other posts about him. He’s an easy target.
In pointing out the 17-19 numbers it shows he’s played at a really high level and most recently at a solid level (less than 12 months ago). Maybe he adjusts to our scheme gets comfortable. I don’t like the prospects of that but who knows.
If he gets any more comfortable in the secondary, he will start snoring. A 44.7 PFF score is not even a quality backup
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I’ve been harsh in other posts about him. He’s an easy target.
In pointing out the 17-19 numbers it shows he’s played at a really high level and most recently at a solid level (less than 12 months ago). Maybe he adjusts to our scheme gets comfortable. I don’t like the prospects of that but who knows.
If he gets any more comfortable in the secondary, he will start snoring. A 44.7 PFF score is not even a quality backup
If he gets any more comfortable in the secondary, he will start snoring. A 44.7 PFF score is not even a quality backup
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I'm not making any investment argument. The coaches are putting him on the field for a reason. They seem to think he's the best option we have on our roster. Despite the plays I have seen him miss making... and there have been a few a game... I have no basis for disagreeing with them.
As for "wasting opportunity for wins", how many wins has he cost us to date? Put another way.... which of our two, got-our-butts-whipped, team losses was he solely responsible for?
lol... well at least you waited until the 2nd game. That said... I have seen Sendejo get in camera shots late though after a teammate has made a play... to celebrate a teammates play. Leaders tend to do that kind of stuff.
The impatience of which I spoke is not measured in one, 2020 game... it's season long. As I wrote elsewhere a few minutes ago, the 2020 offseason was focused upon the Offense. The only significant D-side acquisition is sitting on IR after blowing out his achilles.
Coaches put in "their guy" just to try to prove that they were right in selecting a given player. And "their guy" gets more rope than others. We've seen this with just about any WR over Rashard Higgins for example even though it's clear to fans that Higgins is better than just everyone except Jarvis. Yet, somehow, the coaches last year couldn't see this. Why? Because he wasn't "their guy." Same with Sendejo, he came with Stefanski so they are loyal to a fault with him.
At least you agree that he pops into photo ops. We disagree that this has anything to do with leadership. I have not seen his teammates treat him as a leader.
Does he need to strip the ball from a fellow defensive player who just made an interception and run it back the wrong way for you to acknowledge his weakness? It seems that you just want to wait until what I don't know what...oh wait, "procrastination" is listed as an interest in your signature....never mind.
Coaches put in "their guy" just to try to prove that they were right in selecting a given player. And "their guy" gets more rope than others. We've seen this with just about any WR over Rashard Higgins for example even though it's clear to fans that Higgins is better than just everyone except Jarvis. Yet, somehow, the coaches last year couldn't see this. Why? Because he wasn't "their guy." Same with Sendejo, he came with Stefanski so they are loyal to a fault with him.
At least you agree that he pops into photo ops. We disagree that this has anything to do with leadership. I have not seen his teammates treat him as a leader.
Does he need to strip the ball from a fellow defensive player who just made an interception and run it back the wrong way for you to acknowledge his weakness? It seems that you just want to wait until what I don't know what...oh wait, "procrastination" is listed as an interest in your signature....never mind.
I finally got around to responding...
You keep talking about this and that being clear to all, when it is anything but clear. We don't get to see practices. We don't sit in on film sessions. We watch games. And when games are watched impressions can be formed from bits and pieces, anecdotes, if you will. But the basis for these impressions is not equal across all positions and is weakest for DBs and WRs because unlike the Lines and RBs they are not in every plays' shot.
I can dissect OL play as well as anyone on this board, and far better than most, but I don't pretend to do so from simply watching a game.
As for "guys"...
First, last year was last year. Higgins clearly did nothing to earn PT under Freddie. Stef comes in and all our WRs except Peeps were already here... so he had no guy(s). Yet Higgins still rode the pine. Why would this clearly superior choice ride the pine in the absence of favoritism?
Sendejo? I think saying he's Stef's guy, thus insinuating that Woods has no choice but to start him, is just weak. I don't see Stef as that kind of HC and I don't see their time in MN, where Stef only ever coached on the Offensive side of the ball, as generating that kind of relationship.
As for popping into photos... I honestly don't know what you are talking about. League-wide entire Defensive units race downfield to endzone-camera video-screens to celebrate turnovers. Sometimes the celebrations are choreographed; sometimes they look like a "look-at-me" competition. Again, I have seen Sendejo celebrating teammates plays... and that is not a negative.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I’m going to try to make an argument the other way...
Sendejo’s PFF scores
2017: 80.9
2018: 69.7
2019: 71.3
Even if this isn’t entirely your metric of evaluation these are good numbers.
So if you are waiting on this or something close to this okay I’m warming up to why you want to keep the guy in
I’m going to try to make an argument the other way...
Sendejo’s PFF scores
2017: 80.9
2018: 69.7
2019: 71.3
Even if this isn’t entirely your metric of evaluation these are good numbers.
So if you are waiting on this or something close to this okay I’m warming up to why you want to keep the guy in
Do you know what position he played to earn those decent grades...
Nice try. You're trying a little too hard by leaving out his PFF score for 2020... 44.7!
... and what position he is playing now?
Feel free to collaborate in coming up with your answers...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Coaches put in "their guy" just to try to prove that they were right in selecting a given player. And "their guy" gets more rope than others. We've seen this with just about any WR over Rashard Higgins for example even though it's clear to fans that Higgins is better than just everyone except Jarvis. Yet, somehow, the coaches last year couldn't see this. Why? Because he wasn't "their guy." Same with Sendejo, he came with Stefanski so they are loyal to a fault with him.
At least you agree that he pops into photo ops. We disagree that this has anything to do with leadership. I have not seen his teammates treat him as a leader.
Does he need to strip the ball from a fellow defensive player who just made an interception and run it back the wrong way for you to acknowledge his weakness? It seems that you just want to wait until what I don't know what...oh wait, "procrastination" is listed as an interest in your signature....never mind.
I finally got around to responding...
You keep talking about this and that being clear to all, when it is anything but clear. We don't get to see practices. We don't sit in on film sessions. We watch games. And when games are watched impressions can be formed from bits and pieces, anecdotes, if you will. But the basis for these impressions is not equal across all positions and is weakest for DBs and WRs because unlike the Lines and RBs they are not in every plays' shot.
I can dissect OL play as well as anyone on this board, and far better than most, but I don't pretend to do so from simply watching a game.
As for "guys"...
First, last year was last year. Higgins clearly did nothing to earn PT under Freddie. Stef comes in and all our WRs except Peeps were already here... so he had no guy(s). Yet Higgins still rode the pine. Why would this clearly superior choice ride the pine in the absence of favoritism?
Sendejo? I think saying he's Stef's guy, thus insinuating that Woods has no choice but to start him, is just weak. I don't see Stef as that kind of HC and I don't see their time in MN, where Stef only ever coached on the Offensive side of the ball, as generating that kind of relationship.
As for popping into photos... I honestly don't know what you are talking about. League-wide entire Defensive units race downfield to endzone-camera video-screens to celebrate turnovers. Sometimes the celebrations are choreographed; sometimes they look like a "look-at-me" competition. Again, I have seen Sendejo celebrating teammates plays... and that is not a negative.
We don't get to see practices. We don't sit in on film sessions. We watch games. And when games are watched impressions can be formed from bits and pieces, anecdotes, if you will.
I used to tell my girls' parents when they asked me about play time, defensive position or any other questions, that "They only get to see the tip of the iceberg (the game), I see the entire iceberg."
I asked them to trust me and was lucky enough to have all but 4 of them do so in my 11yr career.... I'm not friends on FB with those 4 players or any of their families. Weird?
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I’m going to try to make an argument the other way...
Sendejo’s PFF scores
2017: 80.9
2018: 69.7
2019: 71.3
Even if this isn’t entirely your metric of evaluation these are good numbers.
So if you are waiting on this or something close to this okay I’m warming up to why you want to keep the guy in
Do you know what position he played to earn those decent grades...
Nice try. You're trying a little too hard by leaving out his PFF score for 2020... 44.7!
... and what position he is playing now?
Feel free to collaborate in coming up with your answers...
Do you know what position he played to earn those decent grades...
... and what position he is playing now?
Feel free to collaborate in coming up with your answers...
What stop are we talking about? He was brought in because of his versatility and he had a background with Joe Woods system.
Minnesota apparently moved him around he played closer to the line of scrimmage and even most recently with Minnesota Some Nickle corner.
The Eagles cut him last season during the year he had a couple senseless penalties and was largely ineffective so the Vikes picked him up as a backup.
He’s been asked to tackle and cover in every stop as he’s moved around and played multiple roles.
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He had a cup of coffee in Philly... spent a career in MN.
Answer the question...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
He had a cup of coffee in Philly... spent a career in MN.
Answer the question...
Haha too funny.
funny how one organization just cut him loose midseason last year - I guess it is too outlandish for another organization to do the same thing a year later.
why don’t you answer your own question. You are the expert
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He had a cup of coffee in Philly... spent a career in MN.
Answer the question...
Regardless of whatever he may have done, wherever, whomever he played for, what position he may have played; Right here, right now, Sandejo sucks.
There is your answer.
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I’m going to try to make an argument the other way...
Sendejo’s PFF scores
2017: 80.9
2018: 69.7
2019: 71.3
Even if this isn’t entirely your metric of evaluation these are good numbers.
So if you are waiting on this or something close to this okay I’m warming up to why you want to keep the guy in
Do you know what position he played to earn those decent grades...
Nice try. You're trying a little too hard by leaving out his PFF score for 2020... 44.7!
... and what position he is playing now?
Feel free to collaborate in coming up with your answers...
Do you know what position he played to earn those decent grades...
... and what position he is playing now?
Feel free to collaborate in coming up with your answers...
Don't know and don't care about his past. I care about what's happening now and that's what matters. 44.7 on PFF confirms what we are seeing on the field. You can choose to ignore what the evidence shows. It's up to you.
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He had a cup of coffee in Philly... spent a career in MN.
Answer the question...
Haha too funny.
funny how one organization just cut him loose midseason last year - I guess it is too outlandish for another organization to do the same thing a year later.
why don’t you answer your own question. You are the expert
You are the expert
Apparently so.... whereas you have just been talking out your ass for a half-dozen posts.
I usually catch on quicker when that's the case, but I've been under the weather for the past week or so...
... not CoVid... just a lil old sinus infection, but throws off the sense of smell just the same.
Don't know and don't care about his past. I care about what's happening now and that's what matters. 44.7 on PFF confirms what we are seeing on the field. You can choose to ignore what the evidence shows. It's up to you.
You don't care about the past, but I am the one ignoring things?
Have fun echoing with SdB... you guys were made for each other.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You are the expert
Apparently so.... whereas you have just been talking out your ass for a half-dozen posts.
I usually catch on quicker when that's the case, but I've been under the weather for the past week or so...
... not CoVid... just a lil old sinus infection, but throws off the sense of smell just the same.
Don't know and don't care about his past. I care about what's happening now and that's what matters. 44.7 on PFF confirms what we are seeing on the field. You can choose to ignore what the evidence shows. It's up to you.
You don't care about the past, but I am the one ignoring things?
Have fun echoing with SdB... you guys were made for each other.
Apparently so.... whereas you have just been talking out your ass for a half-dozen posts.
I usually catch on quicker when that's the case, but I've been under the weather for the past week or so...
... not CoVid... just a lil old sinus infection, but throws off the sense of smell just the same.
You don't care about the past, but I am the one ignoring things?
Have fun echoing with SdB... you guys were made for each other.
I actually exposed some facts that were on your side.
maybe the sinus infection is throwing off your sight
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You are the expert
Apparently so.... whereas you have just been talking out your ass for a half-dozen posts.
I usually catch on quicker when that's the case, but I've been under the weather for the past week or so...
... not CoVid... just a lil old sinus infection, but throws off the sense of smell just the same.
Don't know and don't care about his past. I care about what's happening now and that's what matters. 44.7 on PFF confirms what we are seeing on the field. You can choose to ignore what the evidence shows. It's up to you.
You don't care about the past, but I am the one ignoring things?
Have fun echoing with SdB... you guys were made for each other.
Have fun echoing with SdB... you guys were made for each other.
Thank you, I have no problem being associated with others who see and judge using reality and logic.
In case you missed it on the other thread here are some PFF grades.
Sendejo is graded 44.7 on Pro Football Focus
Here are the other Browns Safety PFF grades:
Ronnie Harrison 79.6
Sheldrick 69.6
Jovante Moffat 61.8
Karl Joseph 49
But you'll probably continue to bury your head in the sand.
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Sandejo just got ran over...again. Took a terrible angle, again. And was slow to make contact, again. Didn’t wrap up and cost us, again.
the man is just not a good player anymore. He shouldn’t be in the field, pretty simple. That’s not on him for sucking, it’s in the FO for not having a better solution.
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He’s just two steps behind on everything. On that frankly should have been TD he just stands there flat footed and gets smoked on a simple corner route. I truly am lost how this man has a starting job. How much more do you need to see?
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Sandejo just got ran over...again. Took a terrible angle, again. And was slow to make contact, again. Didn’t wrap up and cost us, again.
the man is just not a good player anymore. He shouldn’t be in the field, pretty simple. That’s not on him for sucking, it’s in the FO for not having a better solution.
Sandejo just got ran over...again. Took a terrible angle, again. And was slow to make contact, again. Didn’t wrap up and cost us, again.
the man is just not a good player anymore. He shouldn’t be in the field, pretty simple. That’s not on him for sucking, it’s in the FO for not having a better solution.
So, riddle me this: If this is the observation of us stupid fans, why cannot the coaches see this? And get him out of there. And pick up one of these safeties who cannot be worse.....all on the street and available:
Earl Thomas
Clayton Geathers
Tre Boston
Tony Jefferson
Rashad Jones
Morgan Burnett even
Eric Reid
Johnson Bademosi.
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He’s just two steps behind on everything. On that frankly should have been TD he just stands there flat footed and gets smoked on a simple corner route. I truly am lost how this man has a starting job. How much more do you need to see?
He’s just two steps behind on everything. On that frankly should have been TD he just stands there flat footed and gets smoked on a simple corner route. I truly am lost how this man has a starting job. How much more do you need to see?
Yup... too slow to play FS.
In the zone we played on that wasn't-a-TD play both he and Ward broke on the ball as it was released and while neither got there Ward under and Sendjo inside forced the wide throw and Ruggs failed to drag a toe. Defenders use the sidelines as an extra defender.
Yet Sendejo plays... out of position. He was a mediocre FS for MN for 5 years before being moved to SS where he started for 4 years.
Ask yourself why he starts at FS for us once again...
... then watch our Goal line stand when we were down 13-6. On the 3rd down run Gustin has the ball carrier around the waist, but it was Sendejo that kept him out of the endzone.
The answer should then be clear...
... overall we have no one better ATM.
It may be a sad statement, but it appears to be the truth.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
He’s just two steps behind on everything. On that frankly should have been TD he just stands there flat footed and gets smoked on a simple corner route. I truly am lost how this man has a starting job. How much more do you need to see?
Yup... too slow to play FS.
In the zone we played on that wasn't-a-TD play both he and Ward broke on the ball as it was released and while neither got there Ward under and Sendjo inside forced the wide throw and Ruggs failed to drag a toe. Defenders use the sidelines as an extra defender.
Yet Sendejo plays... out of position. He was a mediocre FS for MN for 5 years before being moved to SS where he started for 4 years.
Ask yourself why he starts at FS for us once again...
... then watch our Goal line stand when we were down 13-6. On the 3rd down run Gustin has the ball carrier around the waist, but it was Sendejo that kept him out of the endzone.
The answer should then be clear...
... overall we have no one better ATM.
It may be a sad statement, but it appears to be the truth.
Yup... too slow to play FS.
In the zone we played on that wasn't-a-TD play both he and Ward broke on the ball as it was released and while neither got there Ward under and Sendjo inside forced the wide throw and Ruggs failed to drag a toe. Defenders use the sidelines as an extra defender.
Yet Sendejo plays... out of position. He was a mediocre FS for MN for 5 years before being moved to SS where he started for 4 years.
Ask yourself why he starts at FS for us once again...
Because we have fuck all else to play there?
That is on Berry for not getting any of the guys on the list I posted here of guys who are on the street and available.
... then watch our Goal line stand when we were down 13-6. On the 3rd down run Gustin has the ball carrier around the waist, but it was Sendejo that kept him out of the endzone.
The answer should then be clear...
... overall we have no one better ATM.
It may be a sad statement, but it appears to be the truth.
Yea...see what I just fucking said.
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