Browns make no moves before trade deadline
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I suppose the cost of making a trade for the rest of the season is outweighed by the
high value of drafting a good player who might have a nice career.
if they did trade for a player to help, it would take some time for them to learn
the defense anyways.
With the covid, injuries, etc - any trade partner would be asking too much.
Berry is brilliant I think, and if he doesn't make any trade, it's for good reason.
Too bad though. Sendejo is really getting on my nerves. lol
I guess Mack Wilson has been playing at less than 100%, etc,
but good ole #23 just can't do it anymore on pass coverage.
I suppose the cost of making a trade for the rest of the season is outweighed by the
high value of drafting a good player who might have a nice career.
if they did trade for a player to help, it would take some time for them to learn
the defense anyways.
With the covid, injuries, etc - any trade partner would be asking too much.
Berry is brilliant I think, and if he doesn't make any trade, it's for good reason.
Too bad though. Sendejo is really getting on my nerves. lol
I guess Mack Wilson has been playing at less than 100%, etc,
but good ole #23 just can't do it anymore on pass coverage.
Plus Phillips and Delpit have not been forgotten in next year's equation. Got to look at the long term prospects.
"Too bad though. Sendejo is really getting on my nerves. lol" Yes, he certainly is good for at least two TDs a game or at least two really bad plays that lead to them shortly thereafter.?
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I'm surprised we havent signed Clay Mathews III... He's got to be better than what we have trotted out there... He may lack the speed he once had but his experience would be invaluable I would think...
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I'm surprised we havent signed Clay Mathews III... He's got to be better than what we have trotted out there... He may lack the speed he once had but his experience would be invaluable I would think...
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no real place to put this, but than maybe here?
Former Bears WR Ted Ginn jr. was just cut loose Monday, just before the trade deadline..His cost was just under a million.. WR Ted Ginn jr, was born in Cleveland. A Former Buckeye, with deep threat WR skills & Kick return skills.. Andrew Berry? Can a local homie at least get a practice tryout? https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29040445/free-agent-receiver-ted-ginn-35-no-plans-retirement-yet
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What is the name of this magical >60-on-PFF rated player who is available for a 5th round pick or lower? Now that the Texans fired their GM, there isn't any other GM who's unaware of how the game is played.
Yes, you would have to hit on all draft picks.. but news flash, veterans available for low draft picks are not great players and not close to "a sure thing." If someone's an average player and a team isn't relevant - they'd be available. If they're above average and on a team-friendly contract... that player would be considered Part Of The Core by the other team and simply unavailable in a trade.
Making a move "to shore up a defense" sounds great -- if it works. Making a move to acquire a UDFA-caliber player for a draft pick makes the team worse off than before by wasting resources without increasing the skill of the defense.
We have plenty of proof Williamson will play at the same level as players we already have. So why in the name of *&%) waste a single breath on acquiring him? We have two healthy bodies who are no better [and not much worse] than him - Takitaki and Phillips. All these guys are rated within 1.5 of 45 because they read slowly, whiff on tackles, and are only slightly better than Mack Wilson in pass coverage.
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I think it is safe to say that the Browns will be focusing HEAVILY on improving their defense this upcoming offseason...
But could the safety position be set possibly for years already with Ronnie Harrison at strong safety and Grant Delpit at free? If so, this would allow the Browns to check off one part of the defense and focus on the DLine, LBs and CBs.
Delpit's injury really hamstrings the Browns, because it is hard to assume he and Harrison could be the safety duo for the foreseeable future because they really have no idea what they have in him.
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On Delpit...
I think they have a pretty good idea of the athlete they drafted and while he's been on IR their work on his football IQ has been ongoing.
While mental reps are no substitute for live ones they are valueless to neither the player nor his evaluation by the Staff.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
On Delpit...
I think they have a pretty good idea of the athlete they drafted and while he's been on IR their work on his football IQ has been ongoing.
While mental reps are no substitute for live ones they are valueless to neither the player nor his evaluation by the Staff.
On Delpit...
I think they have a pretty good idea of the athlete they drafted and while he's been on IR their work on his football IQ has been ongoing.
While mental reps are no substitute for live ones they are valueless to neither the player nor his evaluation by the Staff.
Thoughts on Harrison as the potential strong safety starter for the future?
He's graded out well on PFF apparently, and seems to be one of those guys who makes plays, but he also seems to be fragile. Makes a big play, then he's out of the game two series later.
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Harrison is #9 overall pff safety.. great pickup, sign him now longterm before he's recognized as even better and therefore costs more..
The trade for Harrison was made under 2 weeks [trade on 9/3] before the season started on 9/16.. AFTER all offseason cutdowns/etc. We had to make a roster move for space for him.
Harrison IS the improvement made to improve the defense before the trade deadline. Are you not entertained?
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On Delpit...
I think they have a pretty good idea of the athlete they drafted and while he's been on IR their work on his football IQ has been ongoing.
While mental reps are no substitute for live ones they are valueless to neither the player nor his evaluation by the Staff.
Thoughts on Harrison as the potential strong safety starter for the future?
He's graded out well on PFF apparently, and seems to be one of those guys who makes plays, but he also seems to be fragile. Makes a big play, then he's out of the game two series later.
Thoughts on Harrison as the potential strong safety starter for the future?
Secondary evals aren't my thing, but my impression is that he has the head and, excepting his hands, the physical traits of a good SS.
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Always next year in Cleveland.
I've come to the conclusion, it's not just next years contracts Berry is looking at?.. It's the analynics group thinking ahead 2-3 years in contracts.. Covid lower cap number looming..
At my count, I see 23 contracts that expire at the end of 2020.. Only 2 that jump off the page.. CB-Terrance Mitchell & DT Larry Ogunjobi (Billings opting out did help Berry's evaluations on Ogun).. Secondary, I'd consider CB Kevin Johnson & WR Hollywood Higgins.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cleveland-browns/ of course we've got more games to play to determine
In 2022, comes a trainload of them.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2022/all/cleveland-browns/ I'd actually consider getting the 86th highest paid starting RG paid in 2021 being Wyatt Teller.. S Ronnie Harrison, I'd also consider as a keeper, at this point.. Both are young & playing well enough to earn deals.. I think Berry sending this message to his roster in his first season is a win..win..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Always next year in Cleveland.
I've come to the conclusion, it's not just next years contracts Berry is looking at?.. It's the analynics group thinking ahead 2-3 years in contracts.. Covid lower cap number looming..
At my count, I see 23 contracts that expire at the end of 2020.. Only 2 that jump off the page.. CB-Terrance Mitchell & DT Larry Ogunjobi (Billings opting out did help Berry's evaluations on Ogun).. Secondary, I'd consider CB Kevin Johnson & WR Hollywood Higgins.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cleveland-browns/ of course we've got more games to play to determine
In 2022, comes a trainload of them.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2022/all/cleveland-browns/ I'd actually consider getting the 86th highest paid starting RG paid in 2021 being Wyatt Teller.. S Ronnie Harrison, I'd also consider as a keeper, at this point.. Both are young & playing well enough to earn deals.. I think Berry sending this message to his roster in his first season is a win..win..
I've come to the conclusion, it's not just next years contracts Berry is looking at?.. It's the analynics group thinking ahead 2-3 years in contracts.. Covid lower cap number looming..
At my count, I see 23 contracts that expire at the end of 2020.. Only 2 that jump off the page.. CB-Terrance Mitchell & DT Larry Ogunjobi (Billings opting out did help Berry's evaluations on Ogun).. Secondary, I'd consider CB Kevin Johnson & WR Hollywood Higgins.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cleveland-browns/ of course we've got more games to play to determine
In 2022, comes a trainload of them.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2022/all/cleveland-browns/ I'd actually consider getting the 86th highest paid starting RG paid in 2021 being Wyatt Teller.. S Ronnie Harrison, I'd also consider as a keeper, at this point.. Both are young & playing well enough to earn deals.. I think Berry sending this message to his roster in his first season is a win..win..
Ya... hope all the stars align so you can look 2-3 out in the NFL. Those plans are all good in theory, but I’d point to a team like the 49ers who will be lucky to make the playoffs this year after being a play or two away from winning the whole damn thing last year as reasons they should have fixed the defense this year and made the playoffs and try to run the table.
I just find it hard to be optimistic as a Browns fan for the “next three years” when I’m looking at this schedule and see the best chance to do something this team hasn’t done in a decade. would they be the strongest team in the playoffs? Nope. Not by a long shot, but it’s football, so things like an 8-8 team can win the whole thing against a legendary team or teams with back up QB’s winning MVP in the super bowl have happened.... but you gotta make the playoffs first.. But now, with this defense they have? I don’t know how you even pick them to be favorites in any games the rest of the way out.
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I've come to the conclusion, it's not just next years contracts Berry is looking at?.. It's the analynics group thinking ahead 2-3 years in contracts.. Covid lower cap number looming..
At my count, I see 23 contracts that expire at the end of 2020.. Only 2 that jump off the page.. CB-Terrance Mitchell & DT Larry Ogunjobi (Billings opting out did help Berry's evaluations on Ogun).. Secondary, I'd consider CB Kevin Johnson & WR Hollywood Higgins.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cleveland-browns/ of course we've got more games to play to determine
In 2022, comes a trainload of them.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2022/all/cleveland-browns/ I'd actually consider getting the 86th highest paid starting RG paid in 2021 being Wyatt Teller.. S Ronnie Harrison, I'd also consider as a keeper, at this point.. Both are young & playing well enough to earn deals.. I think Berry sending this message to his roster in his first season is a win..win..
Ya... hope all the stars align so you can look 2-3 out in the NFL. Those plans are all good in theory, but I’d point to a team like the 49ers who will be lucky to make the playoffs this year after being a play or two away from winning the whole damn thing last year as reasons they should have fixed the defense this year and made the playoffs and try to run the table.
I just find it hard to be optimistic as a Browns fan for the “next three years” when I’m looking at this schedule and see the best chance to do something this team hasn’t done in a decade. would they be the strongest team in the playoffs? Nope. Not by a long shot, but it’s football, so things like an 8-8 team can win the whole thing against a legendary team or teams with back up QB’s winning MVP in the super bowl have happened.... but you gotta make the playoffs first.. But now, with this defense they have? I don’t know how you even pick them to be favorites in any games the rest of the way out.
But now, with this defense they have? I don’t know how you even pick them to be favorites in any games the rest of the way out.
The Browns have Houston, Philadelphia, NY Giants, NY Jets and Jacksonville on their schedule in the second half.
You can't honestly think they won't be favorites in any of those games, can you?
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Always next year in Cleveland.
I've come to the conclusion, it's not just next years contracts Berry is looking at?.. It's the analynics group thinking ahead 2-3 years in contracts.. Covid lower cap number looming..
At my count, I see 23 contracts that expire at the end of 2020.. Only 2 that jump off the page.. CB-Terrance Mitchell & DT Larry Ogunjobi (Billings opting out did help Berry's evaluations on Ogun).. Secondary, I'd consider CB Kevin Johnson & WR Hollywood Higgins.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cleveland-browns/ of course we've got more games to play to determine
In 2022, comes a trainload of them.. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/2022/all/cleveland-browns/ I'd actually consider getting the 86th highest paid starting RG paid in 2021 being Wyatt Teller.. S Ronnie Harrison, I'd also consider as a keeper, at this point.. Both are young & playing well enough to earn deals.. I think Berry sending this message to his roster in his first season is a win..win..
It's the analynics group thinking ahead 2-3 years in contracts.
It's no secret that "Cap guru" is now a very important position in any FO.
I’d point to a team like the 49ers who will be lucky to make the playoffs this year after being a play or two away from winning the whole damn thing last year.
So your best case is to site a team that we have nothing in common with?
Try this on...
We sell out to go for it with a 1st season HC, DC.... and then end up with an injury list as long as SF's.
Somehow I don't think you would be applauding our FO for taking a shot.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
It's no secret that "Cap guru" is now a very important position in any FO.
I agree:
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It's the analynics group thinking ahead 2-3 years in contracts.
It's no secret that "Cap guru" is now a very important position in any FO.
I’d point to a team like the 49ers who will be lucky to make the playoffs this year after being a play or two away from winning the whole damn thing last year.
So your best case is to site a team that we have nothing in common with?
Try this on...
We sell out to go for it with a 1st season HC, DC.... and then end up with an injury list as long as SF's.
Somehow I don't think you would be applauding our FO for taking a shot.
We sell out to go for it with a 1st season HC, DC.... and then end up with an injury list as long as SF's.
Somehow I don't think you would be applauding our FO for taking a shot.
The Raiders game with no Chubb/Teller & OBJ was enough 9'ers watching for this guy...
I just find it hard to be optimistic as a Browns fan for the “next three years” when I’m looking at this schedule and see the best chance to do something this team hasn’t done in a decade. would they be the strongest team in the playoffs? Nope. Not by a long shot, but it’s football, so things like an 8-8 team can win the whole thing against a legendary team or teams with back up QB’s winning MVP in the super bowl have happened.... but you gotta make the playoffs first.. But now, with this defense they have? I don’t know how you even pick them to be favorites in any games the rest of the way out.
Were all as optimistic & lifelong fans like yourself.. Surely can't ague your playoff points above.. I also believe Berry tried to add defensive help.. In his words from above
Berry said. "So, we did explore a number of different possible transactions."
Berry posited most teams declined to make deals at the deadline for multiple reasons.
First, he said, there were fewer sellers, which was likely a result of the expanded playoff field.
Second, it's unclear what the league's salary cap will look like in 2021 and beyond, and that could have played into some reluctance.
"Part of the general manager's job is to have a bit of a foot in the present* and a bit of a foot into the future* as well," Berry said. "And sometimes balancing those perspectives can be challenges, but at the same time I like how we are positioned.
I like what the team has done during the first eight weeks of the season, and I think that we have a lot more to do and potentially accomplish over these next eight weeks."
Berry can only make above ^^ final statement after not buying or selling.. Coaches determine who will play..Fans? Yep! Were only interested in number of Wins.. Who here, really gives a ?, if were game favorites or not?
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Falcons just waived Takk McKinley, 1st round pick in 2017. Throw a waiver claim at him - he may not be great but he's better and younger than Clayborn.
Browns also grabbed Joe Jackson off waivers from Dallas after week 1.
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Falcons just waived Takk McKinley, 1st round pick in 2017. Throw a waiver claim at him - he may not be great but he's better and younger than Clayborn.
Browns also grabbed Joe Jackson off waivers from Dallas after week 1.
Falcons just waived Takk McKinley, 1st round pick in 2017. Throw a waiver claim at him - he may not be great but he's better and younger than Clayborn.
Browns also grabbed Joe Jackson off waivers from Dallas after week 1.
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Someone on this list is interesting - at least to me anyway
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Someone on this list is interesting - at least to me anyway
Someone on this list is interesting - at least to me anyway
Yeah ogbah would be nice on our team right now but honestly a bigger need for the team right now is the guy we traded for but didn't resign. I would much rather have Eric Murray at free safety right now than still have ogbah and Andrew Sendejo at free safety
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