Week 10: Texans @ Browns... Bye-Bye, Bye / Hello, Houston
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Couple other HOU-JAX game notes:
- After looking good on an early carry David Johnson was concussed on his first pass target by a hard, legal hit by Myles Jack. As my FF team can attest, he did not return to the game.
- Other HOU injuries included: Charles Omenihu (DE, hamstring), Brennan Scarlett (OLB, Arm) and Senio Kelemete (OG, Concussion). HOU went into the game thin at DE and OLB due to players in CoVid protocol and therefore Inactive.
- With Da. Johnson out, Du. Johnson... yup, that'd be Duke... carried the load for HOU. Duke finished with 41 yards on 16 carries (2.6 YPC) with 1 TD, plus 4 catches out of 4 targets for 32 yards.
- JJ Watt recorded his 100th career sack. He is the 5th fastest to that mark since the NFL started recording sacks... considering the time he has missed only makes that achievement more remarkable.
Biggest news out of the game is the controversy over HOU's 77-yd, TD pass to Will Fuller. The play clock was on "0" for over 2 seconds before the ball was snapped, but the Backjudge missed seeing the time expire and the play was not flagged. It is not eligible for review/challenge. Seems to me giving a couple Officials "buzzers" is all that is needed.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-rule-change-texans-vs-jaguars/wn6l3zlvcdsr1qgwz04tn7ral
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Doesn’t possess the kind of zip on the ball needed for windy Cleveland. At least I recall that being heavily scrutinized during the draft evaluation process.
I think your memory is faulty in this instance. I don't recall arm strength questions. I do recall him being billed as having a very calibrated arm with everything from touch to zip and everything I've seen of him conforms this.
PFF described his throwing this way" Displays a complete inventory of passes with zip, firm with touch. Changes the pace of the ball well when needed."
Plus he was PFF's #2 deep ball QB this past offseason trailing only Russell Wilson.
I think your memory is faulty in this instance. I don't recall arm strength questions. I do recall him being billed as having a very calibrated arm with everything from touch to zip and everything I've seen of him conforms this.
PFF described his throwing this way" Displays a complete inventory of passes with zip, firm with touch. Changes the pace of the ball well when needed."
Plus he was PFF's #2 deep ball QB this past offseason trailing only Russell Wilson.
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I was just going to say that I do recall Watson having a poor spin rate.
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I was just going to say that I do recall Watson having a poor spin rate.
I was just going to say that I do recall Watson having a poor spin rate.
That was the main reason teams didn't want him and it was totally ridiculous. Like all of the sudden he couldn't throw the damn ball or something. He's going to be an absolute nightmare for us, and I can already see him running for multiple first downs when it's 3rd and long and we refuse to cover the middle of the field again. The ONE thing that gives me the most hope is Myles Garrett and the fact Watson holds onto the ball WAY too long.
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I was just going to say that I do recall Watson having a poor spin rate.
That was the main reason teams didn't want him and it was totally ridiculous. Like all of the sudden he couldn't throw the damn ball or something. He's going to be an absolute nightmare for us, and I can already see him running for multiple first downs when it's 3rd and long and we refuse to cover the middle of the field again. The ONE thing that gives me the most hope is Myles Garrett and the fact Watson holds onto the ball WAY too long.
That was the main reason teams didn't want him and it was totally ridiculous. Like all of the sudden he couldn't throw the damn ball or something. He's going to be an absolute nightmare for us, and I can already see him running for multiple first downs when it's 3rd and long and we refuse to cover the middle of the field again. The ONE thing that gives me the most hope is Myles Garrett and the fact Watson holds onto the ball WAY too long.
Apparently the bettors are thinking the same thing, because the Browns are only favored by 2.5 or 3 points.... A 5-3 team at home against a 2-6 road team, that small a favorite?
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Speed gun data?
Its worth is debated every time the Combine list comes out... and we're no nearer a consensus.
Best source I've found for the data is here: https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/
Best article I've read on its worth is here: https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/ball-velocity-numbers-are-lying-to-you
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That was the main reason teams didn't want him and it was totally ridiculous. Like all of the sudden he couldn't throw the damn ball or something. He's going to be an absolute nightmare for us, and I can already see him running for multiple first downs when it's 3rd and long and we refuse to cover the middle of the field again. The ONE thing that gives me the most hope is Myles Garrett and the fact Watson holds onto the ball WAY too long.
Apparently the bettors are thinking the same thing, because the Browns are only favored by 2.5 or 3 points.... A 5-3 team at home against a 2-6 road team, that small a favorite?
Apparently the bettors are thinking the same thing, because the Browns are only favored by 2.5 or 3 points.... A 5-3 team at home against a 2-6 road team, that small a favorite?
And I am much more concerned about what JJ Watt does to Baker who already has happy feet. This could turn into another 6 point fiasco in a NY minute with multiple Baker turnovers.
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Short and sweet Injury Report for us...
No update for HOU as yet...
YES !
https://www.brownsnation.com/nick-chubb-back-from-injury-expected-to-play-against-texans/
https://www.brownsnation.com/wyatt-teller-returns-to-practice-for-browns/
that would be awesome
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More likely TNF tonite...
Meanwhile back at the thread...
This "mailbag" Q&A seems appropriate...
What is the update on Nick Chubb's and Wyatt Teller's return from injury — Elizabeth B., Parma Heights
Both players are progressing well in their respective rehabs, coach Kevin Stefanski said earlier this week. Whether or not that means either player will be back Week 10 against the Houston Texans remains to be seen, but it hasn't been ruled out.
What is going on with Greedy Williams? When can we expect him to play his first game of the season? — Nick D., Wayne, West Virginia
That's yet to be determined. What we know is Williams continues to work hard behind the scenes while recovering from a nerve issue in his injured shoulder.
"He is working very, very hard," Stefanski said. "We are just going to keep seeing if he progresses over the next few weeks."
Oh, Greedy is "working hard....." Thank God for that. What is the longest stretch that he has been healthy the last 2 seasons? A week? Looking like a failed high draft pick.
Browns should win this game with ease. 31-17.
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That was the main reason teams didn't want him and it was totally ridiculous. Like all of the sudden he couldn't throw the damn ball or something. He's going to be an absolute nightmare for us, and I can already see him running for multiple first downs when it's 3rd and long and we refuse to cover the middle of the field again. The ONE thing that gives me the most hope is Myles Garrett and the fact Watson holds onto the ball WAY too long.
Apparently the bettors are thinking the same thing, because the Browns are only favored by 2.5 or 3 points.... A 5-3 team at home against a 2-6 road team, that small a favorite?
Apparently the bettors are thinking the same thing, because the Browns are only favored by 2.5 or 3 points.... A 5-3 team at home against a 2-6 road team, that small a favorite?
Lord I want to be wrong. I'm going through the scenarios in my mind and they don't look good. The only way we win is if we jump out to a lead, Myles makes a huge play, then we essentially play keep away with our running game. Basically, the same formula we've used to win 5 games, but this will be tough because Watson will torment us. He had a few CLUTCH runs against the Jags, and that's what will hurt us the most. I have no faith in our Lb's.
In the last 3-4 games, Watson has played about as good as anyone in the league. He has a QB rating of over 100, he's not turning it over, and he's hitting Fuller for one TD bomb every single week. We've forced ONE punt in the last two games, and lord knows that won't cut it.
I'm going to make a separate post later about why I think we'll win, mainly because I don't WANT to think like this, LOL. The Texans are scoring a BUNCH of points, but they're also giving up a lot, too. If we can run the ball effectively, we'll have a decent chance to win in the 4th. But make no mistake about it, this will be an absolute dog fight to the finish. Texans are likely to clog everything up and force us to pass the ball. We're going to have Hodge open deep at least once this game, just have to hit him.
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We’ve said the same things since week 1.
We need to control the clock; run the ball and play keep away because the defense isn’t good. That approach will not change with any opponent. The state of affairs is so bad defensively that If we don’t execute well offensively we can lose to the Jets.
We are going to have trouble with ANY offense (Jets included) that executes well makes throws and catches the ball. Aside from Myles, there is NO playmaking happening on our defense. We have guys missing tackles, dropping picks, showing up late in coverage. Last week the big uglies got pushed around.
Right now it’s let’s hope Myles creates a turnover or they miss a throw or drop a pass.
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Oh, Greedy is "working hard....." Thank God for that. What is the longest stretch that he has been healthy the last 2 seasons? A week? Looking like a failed high draft pick.
Browns should win this game with ease. 31-17.
Greedy is making the decision to resign Mitchell this offseason a must.
IMO Mitchell is becoming the most essential guy we need to resign. -
We’ve said the same things since week 1.
We need to control the clock; run the ball and play keep away because the defense isn’t good. That approach will not change with any opponent. The state of affairs is so bad defensively that If we don’t execute well offensively we can lose to the Jets.
We are going to have trouble with ANY offense (Jets included) that executes well makes throws and catches the ball. Aside from Myles, there is NO playmaking happening on our defense. We have guys missing tackles, dropping picks, showing up late in coverage. Last week the big uglies got pushed around.
Right now it’s let’s hope Myles creates a turnover or they miss a throw or drop a pass.
We’ve said the same things since week 1.
We need to control the clock; run the ball and play keep away because the defense isn’t good. That approach will not change with any opponent. The state of affairs is so bad defensively that If we don’t execute well offensively we can lose to the Jets.
We are going to have trouble with ANY offense (Jets included) that executes well makes throws and catches the ball. Aside from Myles, there is NO playmaking happening on our defense. We have guys missing tackles, dropping picks, showing up late in coverage. Last week the big uglies got pushed around.
Right now it’s let’s hope Myles creates a turnover or they miss a throw or drop a pass.
Kinda agree... which ain't bad for us....
Ball control is a plus, but we have to put up points... a bunch of points. Just so happens that the two go hand in hand for us due to our run dependence to set up our passing game.
In turn our points create the pressure on our opponents to score, which shelves their run game driving them into the arms of our D's true strength... rushing the passer. Then with our DBs sitting back in a zone they can make plays on any errant balls the pressure creates.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Oh, Greedy is "working hard....." Thank God for that. What is the longest stretch that he has been healthy the last 2 seasons? A week? Looking like a failed high draft pick.
Browns should win this game with ease. 31-17.
Greedy is making the decision to resign Mitchell this offseason a must.
IMO Mitchell is becoming the most essential guy we need to resign.Greedy is making the decision to resign Mitchell this offseason a must.
IMO Mitchell is becoming the most essential guy we need to resign.Even if they do, got to draft a CB high in the draft too. And obviously a few LBs.
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From another hidden gem website... The run game for the Cleveland Browns is their biggest offensive strength this season. They are top ten in the NFL in rushing attempts and yards led by Kareem Hunt’s 529 yards, which is 10th in the NFL. Their offensive line has been terrific in the run game with 4.87 adjusted line yards, which is third in the NFL, and their 1.59 average 2nd level yards value, which leads the league. With the return of Nick Chubb this week, their run game will improve dramatically with two healthy elite running backs. The Texans are the second most rushed against team, giving up 5.1 yards per carry to opponents and nearly 160 rushing yards per game, the worst in the NFL.
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Greedy is making the decision to resign Mitchell this offseason a must.
IMO Mitchell is becoming the most essential guy we need to resign.Even if they do, got to draft a CB high in the draft too. And obviously a few LBs.
Even if they do, got to draft a CB high in the draft too. And obviously a few LBs.
Absolutely. I don’t even care if we keep Ward honestly. In that case you need 1A and 1b at that position.
Ward had made a few plays this year but when time comes are we going to pay him Top 5 corner money?
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We’ve said the same things since week 1.
We need to control the clock; run the ball and play keep away because the defense isn’t good. That approach will not change with any opponent. The state of affairs is so bad defensively that If we don’t execute well offensively we can lose to the Jets.
We are going to have trouble with ANY offense (Jets included) that executes well makes throws and catches the ball. Aside from Myles, there is NO playmaking happening on our defense. We have guys missing tackles, dropping picks, showing up late in coverage. Last week the big uglies got pushed around.
Right now it’s let’s hope Myles creates a turnover or they miss a throw or drop a pass.
Kinda agree... which ain't bad for us....
Ball control is a plus, but we have to put up points... a bunch of points. Just so happens that the two go hand in hand for us due to our run dependence to set up our passing game.
In turn our points create the pressure on our opponents to score, which shelves their run game driving them into the arms of our D's true strength... rushing the passer. Then with our DBs sitting back in a zone they can make plays on any errant balls the pressure creates.
Kinda agree... which ain't bad for us....
Ball control is a plus, but we have to put up points... a bunch of points. Just so happens that the two go hand in hand for us due to our run dependence to set up our passing game.
In turn our points create the pressure on our opponents to score, which shelves their run game driving them into the arms of our D's true strength... rushing the passer. Then with our DBs sitting back in a zone they can make plays on any errant balls the pressure creates.
But even our strength is negated by leaving the middle of the field open and Playing off coverage on the outside.
QBs do three step drops and hit wide open WRs and we let WRs run free with yards after catch.
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I did not have this as a Must Win game...but I DID have the Raiders game as a Must Win...and we lost. So now, this is a Must Win game . (IMO)
The season-long stats show us as a very strong running team. What those stats don't show is that we haven't been a real strong running team since we lost Chubb, Teller & OBJ. Teller may be more valuable than we thought.
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Greedy is making the decision to resign Mitchell this offseason a must.
IMO Mitchell is becoming the most essential guy we need to resign.Even if they do, got to draft a CB high in the draft too. And obviously a few LBs.
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