The "It's-later-than-you-think" 2021 Mock Draft Thread
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This is your weekly reminder that our "cap space" is all for signing bonuses.. it's an accounting gimmick, not reality. There is NO space between our annual salary total and the 2020 salary cap. 2020 salary cap - 198.2M. From overthecap: 2020 Browns Total Cap Liabilities: $197,890,141. Browns have 300k of cap space.
Richardson 2021 contract facts -- his salary is 11.9M; cut would cost only 1.6 of dead money. He's not performing well enough for that contract. Perhaps someone like Cameron Heyward or Sheldon Rankins or Solomon Thomas is interested.
Andrew Billings is under contract at a 2M salary value through the end of the 2021 season.. the "opt-outs" rolled over. When Billings goes to FA after 2021 he'll be one of the top10 DI FA's.
Elliot hasn't had a lot of PT but he's getting better as well.. i'd be more confident in him than Ogunjobi.
DI is just not a deep position even if we "want" to sign FA -- may need to keep ogunjobi as the 4th DI on a one-year even if richardson is cut and a name FA signed.
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Baker? Chubb? Teller?
One of these things is not like the others...
I'm as far from a Ghoulie disciple as can be, but Teller is the easiest to replace here.
As for Ward... if you think he's a top 5 CB, then you pay him top 5 money just as we did Haden when he was top 5.
One of these things is not like the others...
I'm as far from a Ghoulie disciple as can be, but Teller is the easiest to replace here.
As for Ward... if you think he's a top 5 CB, then you pay him top 5 money just as we did Haden when he was top 5.
But yet in recent history two guards have reaped big dollar contracts with the Browns.
I don’t think anyone is really arguing against Wards ability. I wish it was that easy. Is he holding up each year and as he gets older? He’s one part of the pie and we are running into this fortuitous situation heck I’ll give some credit a situation by design too where we are actually paying multiple guys second contracts.
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Baker? Chubb? Teller?
One of these things is not like the others...
I'm as far from a Ghoulie disciple as can be, but Teller is the easiest to replace here.
As for Ward... if you think he's a top 5 CB, then you pay him top 5 money just as we did Haden when he was top 5.
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Nope. OG's good at runblocking are simply a lot easier to find than OT or DE or a LB who both covers and hits or good CB or...
Like-for-like replacement? No. But greater than capable? Definitely. If he'd take a 4-7m deal, sure, but >9 especially in a time when the cap may drop by 30, no way.
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Are there any real stud MLBs that may be available in this draft? See my post elsewhere wherein I note that the Browns have never really had a stud, potential HOF MLB in their history.
And we need one badly, IMO......I mean, maybe BJ Goodson is doing as well as he can....but does he impress any of you?
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Are there any real stud MLBs that may be available in this draft? See my post elsewhere wherein I note that the Browns have never really had a stud, potential HOF MLB in their history.
And we need one badly, IMO......I mean, maybe BJ Goodson is doing as well as he can....but does he impress any of you?
Are there any real stud MLBs that may be available in this draft? See my post elsewhere wherein I note that the Browns have never really had a stud, potential HOF MLB in their history.
And we need one badly, IMO......I mean, maybe BJ Goodson is doing as well as he can....but does he impress any of you?
There are....the one I referred to earlier on the first page....
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One lb is a sleeper - 6'4' 260, and is a rising star with his team. Lost no speed. Used to be a rb and qb earlier in hs.
Has already been named the Bronko Nagurski National Defensive Player of the Week this season. "
"In five games, including three against top-25 opponents (Oklahoma State, UCF and SMU), he has 33 tackles, including 10 for lost yardage and four sacks. He has been named the American’s Defensive Player of the Week three times this season. "
He's a secret. I haven't started my mock draft yet. Middle LInebacker.
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Are there any real stud MLBs that may be available in this draft? See my post elsewhere wherein I note that the Browns have never really had a stud, potential HOF MLB in their history.
And we need one badly, IMO......I mean, maybe BJ Goodson is doing as well as he can....but does he impress any of you?
There are....the one I referred to earlier on the first page....
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One lb is a sleeper - 6'4' 260, and is a rising star with his team. Lost no speed. Used to be a rb and qb earlier in hs.
Has already been named the Bronko Nagurski National Defensive Player of the Week this season. "
"In five games, including three against top-25 opponents (Oklahoma State, UCF and SMU), he has 33 tackles, including 10 for lost yardage and four sacks. He has been named the American’s Defensive Player of the Week three times this season. "
He's a secret. I haven't started my mock draft yet. Middle LInebacker.
There are....the one I referred to earlier on the first page....
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One lb is a sleeper - 6'4' 260, and is a rising star with his team. Lost no speed. Used to be a rb and qb earlier in hs.
Has already been named the Bronko Nagurski National Defensive Player of the Week this season. "
"In five games, including three against top-25 opponents (Oklahoma State, UCF and SMU), he has 33 tackles, including 10 for lost yardage and four sacks. He has been named the American’s Defensive Player of the Week three times this season. "
He's a secret. I haven't started my mock draft yet. Middle LInebacker.
No need to be coy, Roy. Do you think that NFL scouts would not know about him?
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There are....the one I referred to earlier on the first page....
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One lb is a sleeper - 6'4' 260, and is a rising star with his team. Lost no speed. Used to be a rb and qb earlier in hs.
Has already been named the Bronko Nagurski National Defensive Player of the Week this season. "
"In five games, including three against top-25 opponents (Oklahoma State, UCF and SMU), he has 33 tackles, including 10 for lost yardage and four sacks. He has been named the American’s Defensive Player of the Week three times this season. "
He's a secret. I haven't started my mock draft yet. Middle LInebacker.
No need to be coy, Roy. Do you think that NFL scouts would not know about him?
No need to be coy, Roy. Do you think that NFL scouts would not know about him?
lol. I suppose so. I think if the Browns go 10-6, say, they would draft somewhere around 20-25 maybe...?
The top lb's will be gone. Who knows how he will do at the combine, top speed, etc.
But he will be pretty well known about then.
Zaven Collins.
https://withthefirstpick.com/2020/11/25/2021-nfl-draft-zaven-collins-report/
NFL Draft Stock Report: Week 12 Risers
Zaven Collins, LB, Tulsa
How do you top making the game-sealing interception against SMU a week ago? Simple — intercept another pass and bring it back for the game-winning score in overtime. That’s been the scenario for Zaven Collins the past two weeks, and the junior is flying up draft boards — further boosting his NFL Draft stock in Week 12.
Collins is a large, athletic linebacker who plays tough, physical, and instinctive football. He’s a three-down defender who forces the action behind the line of scrimmage, makes plays in space, and effectively covers the pass. Collins amassed 15 tackles against Tulane and returned an interception 96 yards for the game-winning score. As I mentioned during last week’s live stream of The Draft Insiders podcast, Collins will enter the draft and is presently receiving first-round consideration around the league.
ps://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-draft-stock-week-12-risers-rondale-moore-zaven-collins/
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It's still way early, but I have my eye on Bryce Crosby, Ball State, S.
Don't know where, but.....he's on my list of early possibilities.
as to wide receivers.... I think I'm looking at
Frank Darby, Arizona State, explosive, about 6'1", great hands.... in a later pick.
and Jason Oweh, edge...Penn State.
but it is really way too early to get much of a legit idea about a mock draft.
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The defense is obviously going to be the main focus of this offseason, but as cal mentioned WRs should be something the Browns consider too.
OBJ and Landry have big contracts that the Browns might want to rid themselves of. OBJ can't stay healthy, Landry has been pretty mediocre this season after a great 2019.
The rest of the WRs IMO are just average, replaceable guys.
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The defense is obviously going to be the main focus of this offseason, but as cal mentioned WRs should be something the Browns consider too.
OBJ and Landry have big contracts that the Browns might want to rid themselves of. OBJ can't stay healthy, Landry has been pretty mediocre this season after a great 2019.
The rest of the WRs IMO are just average, replaceable guys.
The defense is obviously going to be the main focus of this offseason, but as cal mentioned WRs should be something the Browns consider too.
OBJ and Landry have big contracts that the Browns might want to rid themselves of. OBJ can't stay healthy, Landry has been pretty mediocre.
The rest of the WRs IMO are just average, replaceable guys.
And there are some really excellent WRs in this class, so if we are going BPA there is a better than even chance one falls to us in that mid-round area. Drafttek distinguishes between WRs and Slot players. I would also consider TE Kyle Pitts of Florida if he's still there in our TE oriented offense.
https://www.drafttek.com/2021-NFL-Draft-Position-Rankings/Top-College-WRs-2021-NFL-Draft.asp
https://www.drafttek.com/2021-NFL-Draft-Position-Rankings/Top-College-Slot-WRs-2021-NFL-Draft.asp
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if we are making just a couple offense selections in the upcoming draft
Definitely need a WR and I’d say interior line depth.
Ty Fryfogle Indiana
Amari Rogers Clemson
Trevon Grimes FLA
Jalen Tolbert S. Alabama
Probably 3/4/5 round type prospects
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if we are making just a couple offense selections in the upcoming draft
Definitely need a WR and I’d say interior line depth.
Ty Fryfogle Indiana
Amari Rogers Clemson
Trevon Grimes FLA
Jalen Tolbert S. Alabama
Probably 3/4/5 round type prospects
Definitely need a WR
Ty Fryfogle Indiana
I'm pretty sure he just scored another touchdown vs Ohio State as I wrote this.
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A&M 20 LSU 7 Permanent replacement for T-Day weekend.?
Got my scouting eyes on LB Buddy Johnson?... Buddy just jumped up to #4 at draftscouts at ILB... Adding a few NFL pounds wood not hurt that kids playing frame(234lbs.).. has the looks of a banging baller? Bud Dupree'ish came to my mind.. gods, keep him away from black & gold jerseys ?
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A&M 20 LSU 7 Permanent replacement for T-Day weekend.?
Got my scouting eyes on LB Buddy Johnson?... Buddy just jumped up to #4 at draftscouts at ILB... Adding a few NFL pounds wood not hurt that kids playing frame(234lbs.).. has the looks of a banging baller? Bud Dupree'ish came to my mind.. gods, keep him away from black & gold jerseys ?
Got my scouting eyes on LB Buddy Johnson?... Buddy just jumped up to #4 at draftscouts at ILB... Adding a few NFL pounds wood not hurt that kids playing frame(234lbs.).. has the looks of a banging baller? Bud Dupree'ish came to my mind.. gods, keep him away from black & gold jerseys ?
I hope that he and Mond both take advantage of the "free" extra year of eligibility and come back next year. He's the heart of that D along with Soph SDE DeMarvin Leal 6'4" 290, another Garrett in the making. Like Garrett they have to gameplan around him. Game was played in rain most game long, so it was dominated by defenses. LSU scored a gimme with 38 seconds left in the game. A&M had not played in 3 weeks and the offense looked it rain or no rain.
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Cap for next year has been set at 175.
Browns this season are 190. Obligations for next season are 8m over at present.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
found this about Zaven Collins in my research..... It's early, but If I did a mock draft today.......
Zaven is my first round pick.
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Cap for next year has been set at 175.
Browns this season are 190. Obligations for next season are 8m over at present.
Cap for next year has been set at 175.
Browns this season are 190. Obligations for next season are 8m over at present.
I would have said getting rid of Olivier Vernon would have solved issues of that sort....but maybe not....if he plays the rest of the season the way he played last week.
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Cap for next year has been set at 175.
Browns this season are 190. Obligations for next season are 8m over at present.
I would have said getting rid of Olivier Vernon would have solved issues of that sort....but maybe not....if he plays the rest of the season the way he played last week.
I would have said getting rid of Olivier Vernon would have solved issues of that sort....but maybe not....if he plays the rest of the season the way he played last week.
We need to pump the brakes a bit- He faced a weak turnstile last week.
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I would have said getting rid of Olivier Vernon would have solved issues of that sort....but maybe not....if he plays the rest of the season the way he played last week.
We need to pump the brakes a bit- He faced a weak turnstile last week.
We need to pump the brakes a bit- He faced a weak turnstile last week.
He has had 5 sacks in the last 3 games, though.
Maybe he's finally feeling good and healthy?
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